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Re: New Kit Release from National Scale Car B&O M55's

pennsylvania1954
 

That was fast. Website shows they are sold out

Please don't forget that we have the Steam Era Freight Cars site for all sorts of easy to find info. For these cars, go here:

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html

Once again thank you Ed Hawkins!
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Pensacola FL
Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Chalk Marks on the Roof?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I seem to recall that photo being posted to our list before.  I see the car number as RI 25189.  If so, it is a pre-PS-1 post war Pullman Standard built boxcar with 6 panel riveted sides on each side of the door with a Murphy roof and Improved Dreadnaught ends.  There were 500 cars in the series 25000-25499 built in 1946.  Good roof photos are, indeed rare.

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 9:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Chalk Marks on the Roof?

 

Scott, Folks,

 

The time stamp is 21:21 in this interview of Angela Sutton, a skilled PRR modeler. She is showing a photo of Homestead, PA. The date is unclear, but most likely in the late 1940s, or 1950s, as it is a B&W photo but the car has steel roofwalks. While the angle and resolution of the photo are challenging, it certainly looks like a car number, upside down to the perspective of the photographer. 

 

I have never noticed this being done before, so I think it is probably rare. As to the reason, well, brakemen did what was needed to get the job done. In all likelihood, it is location specific, so that a crew person, riding the tops of the cars, would know where to stop the cut to spot the car in the correct location.

 

I certainly wouldn't go bonkers and add this detail to all my boxcars, but to have it on one or two of a fleet of 100s is probably fine. It should also be noted that certain types of cars, such as refrigerator cars would have the number stenciled on the roof or hatch so that icing crews knew how much ice/salt to add.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 

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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 3:14 AM
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Chalk Marks on the Roof?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Folks,

I was watching Ken Patterson's weekly show- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcnbUNNfZM&t=1662s

At approximately 20 minutes in, there is a photo of a box car roof with, what appears to be, the cars' reporting marks chalked on the roof panel adjacent to a lateral walkway. 

I've never seen this before- how common was it? And Why?

Scott Haycock

Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Chalk Marks on the Roof?

Bruce Smith
 

Scott, Folks,

The time stamp is 21:21 in this interview of Angela Sutton, a skilled PRR modeler. She is showing a photo of Homestead, PA. The date is unclear, but most likely in the late 1940s, or 1950s, as it is a B&W photo but the car has steel roofwalks. While the angle and resolution of the photo are challenging, it certainly looks like a car number, upside down to the perspective of the photographer. 

I have never noticed this being done before, so I think it is probably rare. As to the reason, well, brakemen did what was needed to get the job done. In all likelihood, it is location specific, so that a crew person, riding the tops of the cars, would know where to stop the cut to spot the car in the correct location.

I certainly wouldn't go bonkers and add this detail to all my boxcars, but to have it on one or two of a fleet of 100s is probably fine. It should also be noted that certain types of cars, such as refrigerator cars would have the number stenciled on the roof or hatch so that icing crews knew how much ice/salt to add.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 3:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Chalk Marks on the Roof?
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Folks,

I was watching Ken Patterson's weekly show- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcnbUNNfZM&t=1662s

At approximately 20 minutes in, there is a photo of a box car roof with, what appears to be, the cars' reporting marks chalked on the roof panel adjacent to a lateral walkway. 

I've never seen this before- how common was it? And Why?

Scott Haycock

Re: New Kit Release from National Scale Car B&O M55's

Mike Clements
 

How many of these cars were built?
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Wakefield, MA
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Re: One out of the penalty box Fruit Growers Express truss rod reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Bill
sorry, it ‘was’ in the posting I had not sure why it disappeared.  Here’s the bottle  



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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.
Chalk Marks on the Roof?

Scott H. Haycock
 

Folks,

I was watching Ken Patterson's weekly show- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcnbUNNfZM&t=1662s

At approximately 20 minutes in, there is a photo of a box car roof with, what appears to be, the cars' reporting marks chalked on the roof panel adjacent to a lateral walkway. 

I've never seen this before- how common was it? And Why?

Scott Haycock
Re: New Kit Release from National Scale Car B&O M55's

Rich C
 

Bruce, They are HO. You will need the Intermountain 1937 10' IH Box Car as the core. I am sure, with some sawing off ends and such, you can use the Red Caboose 1937 cars or the Branchline Yardmaster series.

Rich Christie

On Friday, October 29, 2021, 10:44:12 PM CDT, Bruce Hendrick <brucehendrick@...> wrote:


Nowhere in this email nor in the lengthy product link is there any mention of the scale of these cars.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California 
Re: New Kit Release from National Scale Car B&O M55's

Bruce Hendrick
 

Nowhere in this email nor in the lengthy product link is there any mention of the scale of these cars.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California 
Interesting Running Board Weathering

Bob Chaparro
 

Interesting Running Board Weathering

Photo courtesy of David Smith.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
New Kit Release from National Scale Car B&O M55's

Ryan Mendell
 

I am happy to announce our Newest Kit Release.

Baltimore & Ohio M55, M55A & M55B 40' 1937 ARR Boxcar mini kits.

Between 1940 and 1942, The Baltimore and Ohio took delivery of 1500 40' boxcars from orders split between Pressed Steel Car (M55 series), and Pullman Standard (M55A and M55B series). The orders specified a 10’ interior height and 6’ doors built to the AAR standard but with a few distinguishing features. Both builders used their own proprietary ‘Car Builder’s Ends’. The Pressed Steel Cars had unique 4-5 square corner ends with a stepped flat style rib while the Pullman Standard Cars had 4-5 round corner ends with a tapered rib that wrapped around the round corner  end. All cars were equipped with Duryea cushioned under frames. Two styles of Duryea under frame construction were fitted.  The M55’s and M55A’s used centre sills built up from ship channels while the M55B had a centre sill utilizing a Z26 rolled and welded steel member. All cars were equipped with a flat panel roof with interior car lines that featured a lower flat panel used on the panels closest to the car ends. Both builders supplied Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures.


For further details and purchasing please go to www.nationalscalecar.com

Ryan Mendell
www.nationalscalecar.com
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color - DOOR COLOR?

Marty McGuirk
 

Rich,
I think you’re right - it was an old Paint Shop in MR I was thinking of - on BAR cars.
Thanks!
Marty

On Oct 29, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Rich Gibson via groups.io <richgibson89@...> wrote:

No, you might be thinking of BAR, which had 1932 BCR boxcars with green doors. I’ve never seen anything indicating other that one color on MEC BCR cars.

Rich Gibson
Re: Larry Jackman - was daylight?

Tony Thompson
 

Thanks, Rufus. But that’s the short version. In the long version, Joe was the night yardmaster, he would know the answer, and he hasn’t gone to bed yet. Call him. And Joe says, car of lumber for Memphis. But it’s a tank car, etc. and Joe says, “Send it to Memphis and it’ll be their problem.” Slightly better IMO.

Tony Thompson
tony@...
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color - DOOR COLOR?

Rich Gibson
 

No, you might be thinking of BAR, which had 1932 BCR boxcars with green doors. I’ve never seen anything indicating other that one color on MEC BCR cars.

Rich Gibson
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

Tim O'Connor
 

The very first green MEC box car was painted in November 1953.

I like this shot because it shows a faded (bluer, not lighter) green box car with a freshly painted car.

On 10/29/2021 4:00 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:
According to “”Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment” (Sweetland/Horsley) “Late in 1953 MEC changed from “boxcar red” to green for its boxcars.” There’s a photo in the book of 50-foot boxcar 9006 in New Haven, Conn. in obviously new paint dated April 1954. From what I can tell if modeling fall of 1953 you can include a very newly painted - shiny(!) - car - but obviously the vast majority of MEC boxcars would still have been BCR!
I used the Speedwitch decals that came in the kit for the BCR scheme.

Marty
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

Tim O'Connor
 


Accupaint #26 MEC Pine Green is an exact match


On 10/29/2021 3:05 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:
Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

O Fenton Wells
 

By the way Marty there are two excellent photos of the MEC in green in RP CYC vol 18 by Pat Wider on page 102.  
Fenton

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:43 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the MEC Speedwitch MEC kit and hadn't looked at the decals close enough.  
Thanks again Marty
Please keep sharing photos of your layout as it is inspiring.
Fenton

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:01 PM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
According to “”Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment” (Sweetland/Horsley) “Late in 1953 MEC changed from “boxcar red” to green for its boxcars.” There’s a photo in the book of 50-foot boxcar 9006 in New Haven, Conn. in obviously new paint dated April 1954. From what I can tell if modeling fall of 1953 you can include a very newly painted - shiny(!) - car - but obviously the vast majority of MEC boxcars would still have been BCR!  
I used the Speedwitch decals that came in the kit for the BCR scheme. 

Marty
) 
On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:19 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

By the way I think the green came in in 1953, but I’ve read where it was 55 so not sure if you know let me know. I too will do the brown scheme for my layout since my time ends in fall of 53 so I can run FM H-16-44’s. But I really like the green
Just say’in 
Who’s decals did you use for the brown scheme?
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:16 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks Marty, that’s exactly what I was looking for 
Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color - DOOR COLOR?

Marty McGuirk
 

One further question on MEC boxcars for the group - somewhere I remember reading the BCR MEC boxcars had green (or black?) doors. I can’t remember where I saw that - perhaps it was an early NEB&W related Paint Shop column in MR? 

Curious if anyone has a source that confirms (or disproves) this. 

Thanks in advance, 

Marty


On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

According to “”Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment” (Sweetland/Horsley) “Late in 1953 MEC changed from “boxcar red” to green for its boxcars.” There’s a photo in the book of 50-foot boxcar 9006 in New Haven, Conn. in obviously new paint dated April 1954. From what I can tell if modeling fall of 1953 you can include a very newly painted - shiny(!) - car - but obviously the vast majority of MEC boxcars would still have been BCR!  
I used the Speedwitch decals that came in the kit for the BCR scheme. 

Marty
) 
On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:19 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

By the way I think the green came in in 1953, but I’ve read where it was 55 so not sure if you know let me know. I too will do the brown scheme for my layout since my time ends in fall of 53 so I can run FM H-16-44’s. But I really like the green
Just say’in 
Who’s decals did you use for the brown scheme?
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:16 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks Marty, that’s exactly what I was looking for 
Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

O Fenton Wells
 

I have the MEC Speedwitch MEC kit and hadn't looked at the decals close enough.  
Thanks again Marty
Please keep sharing photos of your layout as it is inspiring.
Fenton

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:01 PM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
According to “”Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment” (Sweetland/Horsley) “Late in 1953 MEC changed from “boxcar red” to green for its boxcars.” There’s a photo in the book of 50-foot boxcar 9006 in New Haven, Conn. in obviously new paint dated April 1954. From what I can tell if modeling fall of 1953 you can include a very newly painted - shiny(!) - car - but obviously the vast majority of MEC boxcars would still have been BCR!  
I used the Speedwitch decals that came in the kit for the BCR scheme. 

Marty
) 
On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:19 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

By the way I think the green came in in 1953, but I’ve read where it was 55 so not sure if you know let me know. I too will do the brown scheme for my layout since my time ends in fall of 53 so I can run FM H-16-44’s. But I really like the green
Just say’in 
Who’s decals did you use for the brown scheme?
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:16 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks Marty, that’s exactly what I was looking for 
Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

Marty McGuirk
 

According to “”Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment” (Sweetland/Horsley) “Late in 1953 MEC changed from “boxcar red” to green for its boxcars.” There’s a photo in the book of 50-foot boxcar 9006 in New Haven, Conn. in obviously new paint dated April 1954. From what I can tell if modeling fall of 1953 you can include a very newly painted - shiny(!) - car - but obviously the vast majority of MEC boxcars would still have been BCR!  
I used the Speedwitch decals that came in the kit for the BCR scheme. 

Marty
) 

On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:19 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

By the way I think the green came in in 1953, but I’ve read where it was 55 so not sure if you know let me know. I too will do the brown scheme for my layout since my time ends in fall of 53 so I can run FM H-16-44’s. But I really like the green
Just say’in 
Who’s decals did you use for the brown scheme?
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:16 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks Marty, that’s exactly what I was looking for 
Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton


Re: Help with MEC boxcar color

O Fenton Wells
 

By the way I think the green came in in 1953, but I’ve read where it was 55 so not sure if you know let me know. I too will do the brown scheme for my layout since my time ends in fall of 53 so I can run FM H-16-44’s. But I really like the green
Just say’in 
Who’s decals did you use for the brown scheme?
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:16 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks Marty, that’s exactly what I was looking for 
Much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 29, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Fenton, 

I just finished up a Speedwitch kit for the MEC version of the 1923 ARA boxcar. Ted provided decals for the BCR and green versions of this car and in the kit instructions he recommended (and used) White Ensign Models “Dull Dark Green” (https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Colourcoats+Dull+Dark+Green+ACUS24/25650/#.YXxDkBDMJR4) for the body color for the green mid 1950s repaints.  

I’ve seen Ted’s model and the color certainly looked right to my eyes. I painted my car in the BCR scheme since the green is too late for my era so I can’t offer share a photo of a green model. 

I have used White Ensign paint in the past and don’t remember anything particularly memorable (ie “bad”) about it!

Hope this helps, 

Marty



On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:20 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to do a MEC 1923 ARA (X29) car in the green with yellow logo.  I know TCP makes a green color but I read an article about a better green paint that wsn't a railroad color in a magazine article.  Of course I cannot find the article as my filing system is just too secure.  I should have worked for NSA.
Can anyone help or give a suggestion to a laquer base dark green for this project.
Thanking all in advance
Fenton

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