Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
Rich C
I definitely would be interested. Rich Christie
On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 09:25:15 AM CDT, William Hirt <whirt@...> wrote:
Considering all other CB&Q cars built during this period were Mineral Red (some say Boxcar Red), I've always assumed that is their original paint and any repaints until 1958. Chinese Red painted cars started in 1958 and any series of black painted hoppers were after the ending time of this list. Here is the one of the Burlington Route Historical Society model pages. You can evaluate the paint yourself. The composite gondolas would be contemporaries of the first steel hoppers: http://www.burlingtonroute.org/Qrailroad/modeling/HO_kits.php#Open%20Hoppers Bill Hirt On 11/4/2021 8:46 AM, Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) wrote:
Hi John and List Members,
I have an interest in these cars myself.
One unanswered question for me is that the series CB&Q
190000-190999 twin hoppers (ACF Lot 232) appears to have been
built in 1926. What color would they have been painted when new?
Freight car red? Black? Something else? I have a builders photo
image, but I can't tell what color it may have been...
Thanks in advance for any input on this topic
Claus Schlund
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
William Hirt
Considering all other CB&Q cars built during this period were Mineral Red (some say Boxcar Red), I've always assumed that is their original paint and any repaints until 1958. Chinese Red painted cars started in 1958 and any series of black painted hoppers were after the ending time of this list. Here is the one of the Burlington Route Historical Society model pages. You can evaluate the paint yourself. The composite gondolas would be contemporaries of the first steel hoppers: http://www.burlingtonroute.org/Qrailroad/modeling/HO_kits.php#Open%20Hoppers Bill Hirt
On 11/4/2021 8:46 AM, Claus Schlund
\(HGM\) wrote:
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
William Hirt
Most definitely. I'd buy at least a half dozen.
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Bill Hirt
On 11/4/2021 8:49 AM, Frank Hodina wrote:
The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
gary laakso
Yes, I would buy more than one.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 6:50 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.
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Re: daylight?
Robert G P
Nevermind, I see the attached story now!
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
Frank Hodina
The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.
Frank Resin Car Works
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi John and List Members,
I have an interest in these cars myself.
One unanswered question for me is that the series CB&Q 190000-190999
twin hoppers (ACF Lot 232) appears to have been built in 1926. What color would
they have been painted when new? Freight car red? Black? Something else? I have
a builders photo image, but I can't tell what color it may have been...
Thanks in advance for any input on this topic
Claus Schlund
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Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon
greg snook
My last attempt to order Free State levers ended with a response that they are out of production, unfortunately. Happy hunting for those though, Greg Snook
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Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon
Kenneth Montero
Bruce,
If I recall correctly (perhaps from reading an email from this group), Free State has ceased production of its products, so Ebay may be the only source for this item.
Ken Montero
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Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon
Michael,
The G25 was the PRR's allocation of USRA steel gondolas, so most details follow the other USRA gons.
Two additional resources are
The Keystone Modeler, volume 8, March 2004 - This is a nice article on both the prototype and modeling it by Elden Gatwood
Pennsylvania Railroad Gondolas, Revenue and Work Equipment, 1869 to 1968, by Al Buchan and Elden Gatwood, published by the PRRT&HS (available for $25 https://www.prrths.org/content.aspx?page_id=586&club_id=171391&item_id=11844)
The G25 used Carmer operating lever 15 and lifting lever 17 (from Pierre's/Yarmouth's guide), which, alas, are not offered by Yarmouth (http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/CarmerCutLevers)
but it is in the Free State Systems etched set.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 10:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 USRA Gon
I am largely ignorant of this prototype, so if anyone has photos of the prototype—particularly of the B-End with the unusual pivoting brake staff and Carmer uncoupling levers—it would be much appreciated. Walthers provides no information concerning the underframe and brake layout, so photos of a finished Westerfield #8103 underframe would also be helpful. Finally, any photos of the interior tie-downs would be gratefully appreciated, as Walthers has provided virtually no interior detail on the sides and ends. Thanking members in advance for their time and generosity. Cheers! Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: daylight?
Charles Happel
Ouch! Chuck Happel The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. Albert Einstein
On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 12:17:41 AM EDT, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote: The car looks like a gondola, but the photo in the o.p. clearly shows that it's a 'hopper car. ;^) Jack Mullen
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Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon
markgro78
Hello Michael,
You might find some of these articles useful for your project. In the July 2002 issue of Railmodel Journal, Richard Hendrickson not only wrote about the prototype gondolas, but also the Westerfield and Walthers models. You can find that magazine online at this link: http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_2002_7/ Furthermore, Bruce Smith wrote about making some basic improvements to the Walthers model in the No. 106 - Autumn 2018 issue of The Keystone Modeler, which can be found on the PRR Technical & Historical Society website here: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm Hope this helps! Mark D. Grotkiewicz
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Re: daylight?
Jack Mullen
The car looks like a gondola, but the photo in the o.p. clearly shows that it's a 'hopper car. ;^)
Jack Mullen
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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
Jack Mullen
John,
The two side sheets are in the same plane with a crimped lap on the inside. So a slight groove with a line of Archer rivets below should represent the seam nicely. Simple in principle, a bit finicky to do cleanly. Ideally, you'd want a shallow groove with the lower edge sharp and the upper edge rounded into the face of the side sheet. You should be able to zoom in on this linked photo to see what I mean. I'm rather surprised how close the rivets are to the edge of the lower sheet. https://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckzeiler/25674503744/ FWIW, I was making one of these cars in O scale from a Weaver hopper with the sides and ends cut away and replaced with .020 styrene, with the sides grooved as described. Also build new end framing from styrene strip. Hadn't gotten much farther than that when it was packed up with other works-in-progress due to a move, and hasn't been unpacked since. Someday... Sounds like a good project with the Athearn hopper as a base. Best wishes! Jack Mullen
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PRR G25 USRA Gon
I have come across a Walthers PRR G25 gon, and would like to make some improvements. It is crude compared to the more finely detailed Westerfield Kit #8103, but presents some interesting challenges for that very reason.
I am largely ignorant of this prototype, so if anyone has photos of the prototype—particularly of the B-End with the unusual pivoting brake staff and Carmer uncoupling levers—it would be much appreciated. Walthers provides no information concerning the underframe and brake layout, so photos of a finished Westerfield #8103 underframe would also be helpful. Finally, any photos of the interior tie-downs would be gratefully appreciated, as Walthers has provided virtually no interior detail on the sides and ends. Thanking members in advance for their time and generosity. Cheers! Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Rapido NP DS Boxcar Enhancements
Michael
nicely done model and appreciate the detailed overview on parts used. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Re: Rapido NP DS Boxcar Enhancements
I so agree, James, and one of the great things about this group is people's willingness to share photos and other information.
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: daylight?
Robert G P
I unfortunately never had the privilege of meeting Larry. Could I ask if you'd be willing to share the missing paperwork story? If its too much -thats fine here but thanks! -Bob
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 2:38 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper
golden1014
Gentlemen, I just received a box full of new Athearn 2-bay, ribbed side hoppers from an estate. I was told by Jerry Hamsmith they are a good starting point for CB&Q twins. Does anyone here have photos of the CB&Q ribbed twins handy? I have the CB&Q Society magazine that covers the cars, but I'm in need of some end shots. Also, and more importantly, I don't know how I'm going to handle modeling the horizontal seam on the sides of the car. Some better photos would help. Thanks in Advance, John Golden In cold, rainy, windy Germany
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WTB: Sunshine 12.5 Virginian G-5 Low Side Gondola
Rich C
Hey Group, I am looking to buy a Sunshine 12.5 Virginian G-5 Low Side Gondola
Please contact me off list
Thanks Rich Christie rhcdmc@...
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