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Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

Rich C
 

I definitely would be interested.

Rich Christie

On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 09:25:15 AM CDT, William Hirt <whirt@...> wrote:


Considering all other CB&Q cars built during this period were Mineral Red (some say Boxcar Red), I've always assumed that is their original paint and any repaints until 1958. Chinese Red painted cars started in 1958 and any series of black painted hoppers were after the ending time of this list.

Here is the one of the Burlington Route Historical Society model pages. You can evaluate the paint yourself. The composite gondolas would be contemporaries of the first steel hoppers:

http://www.burlingtonroute.org/Qrailroad/modeling/HO_kits.php#Open%20Hoppers

Bill Hirt

On 11/4/2021 8:46 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi John and List Members,
 
I have an interest in these cars myself.
 
One unanswered question for me is that the series CB&Q 190000-190999 twin hoppers (ACF Lot 232) appears to have been built in 1926. What color would they have been painted when new? Freight car red? Black? Something else? I have a builders photo image, but I can't tell what color it may have been...
 
Thanks in advance for any input on this topic
 
Claus Schlund


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

William Hirt
 

Considering all other CB&Q cars built during this period were Mineral Red (some say Boxcar Red), I've always assumed that is their original paint and any repaints until 1958. Chinese Red painted cars started in 1958 and any series of black painted hoppers were after the ending time of this list.

Here is the one of the Burlington Route Historical Society model pages. You can evaluate the paint yourself. The composite gondolas would be contemporaries of the first steel hoppers:

http://www.burlingtonroute.org/Qrailroad/modeling/HO_kits.php#Open%20Hoppers

Bill Hirt

On 11/4/2021 8:46 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi John and List Members,
 
I have an interest in these cars myself.
 
One unanswered question for me is that the series CB&Q 190000-190999 twin hoppers (ACF Lot 232) appears to have been built in 1926. What color would they have been painted when new? Freight car red? Black? Something else? I have a builders photo image, but I can't tell what color it may have been...
 
Thanks in advance for any input on this topic
 
Claus Schlund


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

William Hirt
 

Most definitely. I'd buy at least a half dozen.

Bill Hirt

On 11/4/2021 8:49 AM, Frank Hodina wrote:
The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

gary laakso
 

Yes, I would buy more than one. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Hodina
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 6:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

 

The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: daylight?

Robert G P
 

Nevermind, I see the attached story now!


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

Frank Hodina
 

The Q hoppers had an inside length (IL) of 34'-3". Stantard hoppers have an IL of 33'-0". Would folks purchase a resin kit of this hopper to get a correct model? I have a general arrangement drawing. They do look longer.

Frank
Resin Car Works


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi John and List Members,
 
I have an interest in these cars myself.
 
One unanswered question for me is that the series CB&Q 190000-190999 twin hoppers (ACF Lot 232) appears to have been built in 1926. What color would they have been painted when new? Freight car red? Black? Something else? I have a builders photo image, but I can't tell what color it may have been...
 
Thanks in advance for any input on this topic
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 11:55 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

Gentlemen,

I just received a box full of new Athearn 2-bay, ribbed side hoppers from an estate.  I was told by Jerry Hamsmith they are a good starting point for CB&Q twins.

Does anyone here have photos of the CB&Q ribbed twins handy?  I have the CB&Q Society magazine that covers the cars, but I'm in need of some end shots.  Also, and more importantly, I don't know how I'm going to handle modeling the horizontal seam on the sides of the car.  Some better photos would help.

Thanks in Advance,

John Golden
In cold, rainy, windy Germany


Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon

greg snook
 

My last attempt to order Free State levers ended with a response that they are out of production, unfortunately.

Happy hunting for those though,
Greg Snook


Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon

Kenneth Montero
 

Bruce,

If I recall correctly (perhaps from reading an email from this group), Free State has ceased production of its products, so Ebay may be the only source for this item.

Ken Montero

On 11/04/2021 8:47 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Michael,

The G25 was the PRR's allocation of USRA steel gondolas, so most details follow the other USRA gons. 

Two additional resources are
The Keystone Modeler, volume 8, March 2004 - This is a nice article on both the prototype and modeling it by Elden Gatwood
Pennsylvania Railroad Gondolas, Revenue and Work Equipment, 1869 to 1968, by Al Buchan and Elden Gatwood, published by the PRRT&HS (available for $25 https://www.prrths.org/content.aspx?page_id=586&club_id=171391&item_id=11844


The G25 used Carmer operating lever 15 and lifting lever 17 (from Pierre's/Yarmouth's guide), which, alas, are not offered by Yarmouth (http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/CarmerCutLevers)
but it is in the Free State Systems etched set.


Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 10:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 USRA Gon

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
I have come across a Walthers PRR G25 gon, and would like to make some improvements.  It is crude compared to the more finely detailed Westerfield Kit #8103, but presents some interesting challenges for that very reason.

I am largely ignorant of this prototype, so if anyone has photos of the prototype—particularly of the B-End with the unusual pivoting brake staff and Carmer uncoupling levers—it would be much appreciated.  Walthers provides no information concerning the underframe and brake layout, so photos of a finished Westerfield #8103 underframe would also be helpful.  Finally, any photos of the interior tie-downs would be gratefully appreciated, as Walthers has provided virtually no interior detail on the sides and ends.

Thanking members in advance for their time and generosity.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon

Bruce Smith
 

Michael,

The G25 was the PRR's allocation of USRA steel gondolas, so most details follow the other USRA gons. 

Two additional resources are
The Keystone Modeler, volume 8, March 2004 - This is a nice article on both the prototype and modeling it by Elden Gatwood
Pennsylvania Railroad Gondolas, Revenue and Work Equipment, 1869 to 1968, by Al Buchan and Elden Gatwood, published by the PRRT&HS (available for $25 https://www.prrths.org/content.aspx?page_id=586&club_id=171391&item_id=11844

The G25 used Carmer operating lever 15 and lifting lever 17 (from Pierre's/Yarmouth's guide), which, alas, are not offered by Yarmouth (http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/CarmerCutLevers)
but it is in the Free State Systems etched set.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 10:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 USRA Gon
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
I have come across a Walthers PRR G25 gon, and would like to make some improvements.  It is crude compared to the more finely detailed Westerfield Kit #8103, but presents some interesting challenges for that very reason.

I am largely ignorant of this prototype, so if anyone has photos of the prototype—particularly of the B-End with the unusual pivoting brake staff and Carmer uncoupling levers—it would be much appreciated.  Walthers provides no information concerning the underframe and brake layout, so photos of a finished Westerfield #8103 underframe would also be helpful.  Finally, any photos of the interior tie-downs would be gratefully appreciated, as Walthers has provided virtually no interior detail on the sides and ends.

Thanking members in advance for their time and generosity.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: daylight?

Charles Happel
 

Ouch!

Chuck Happel

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

Albert Einstein


On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 12:17:41 AM EDT, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


The car looks like a gondola, but the photo in the o.p. clearly shows that it's a 'hopper car.  ;^)

Jack Mullen


Re: PRR G25 USRA Gon

markgro78
 

Hello Michael,

You might find some of these articles useful for your project.

In the July 2002 issue of Railmodel Journal, Richard Hendrickson not only wrote about the prototype gondolas, but also the Westerfield and Walthers models. You can find that magazine online at this link: http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_2002_7/

Furthermore, Bruce Smith wrote about making some basic improvements to the Walthers model in the No. 106 - Autumn 2018 issue of The Keystone Modeler, which can be found on the PRR Technical & Historical Society website here: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Hope this helps!
Mark D. Grotkiewicz


Re: daylight?

Jack Mullen
 

The car looks like a gondola, but the photo in the o.p. clearly shows that it's a 'hopper car.  ;^)

Jack Mullen


Re: CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

Jack Mullen
 

John,
The two side sheets are in the same plane with a crimped lap on the inside. So a slight groove with a line of Archer rivets below should represent the seam nicely. Simple in principle,  a bit finicky to do cleanly. Ideally, you'd want a shallow groove with the lower edge sharp and the upper edge rounded into the face of the side sheet.  You should be able to zoom in on this linked photo  to see what I mean. I'm rather surprised how close the rivets are to the edge of the lower sheet. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckzeiler/25674503744/
FWIW, I was making one of these cars in O scale from a Weaver hopper with the sides and ends cut away and replaced with .020 styrene, with the sides grooved as described. Also build new end framing from styrene strip. Hadn't gotten much farther than that when it was packed up with other works-in-progress due to a move, and hasn't been unpacked since. Someday...
Sounds like a good project with the Athearn hopper as a base. Best wishes!

Jack Mullen


PRR G25 USRA Gon

Michael Gross
 

I have come across a Walthers PRR G25 gon, and would like to make some improvements.  It is crude compared to the more finely detailed Westerfield Kit #8103, but presents some interesting challenges for that very reason.

I am largely ignorant of this prototype, so if anyone has photos of the prototype—particularly of the B-End with the unusual pivoting brake staff and Carmer uncoupling levers—it would be much appreciated.  Walthers provides no information concerning the underframe and brake layout, so photos of a finished Westerfield #8103 underframe would also be helpful.  Finally, any photos of the interior tie-downs would be gratefully appreciated, as Walthers has provided virtually no interior detail on the sides and ends.

Thanking members in advance for their time and generosity.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Rapido NP DS Boxcar Enhancements

Charlie Duckworth
 

Michael 
nicely done model and appreciate the detailed overview on parts used. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido NP DS Boxcar Enhancements

Michael Gross
 

I so agree, James, and one of the great things about this group is people's willingness to share photos and other information.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: daylight?

Robert G P
 

I unfortunately never had the privilege of meeting Larry. Could I ask if you'd be willing to share the missing paperwork story? 

If its too much -thats fine here but thanks!

-Bob

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 2:38 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Yep, I still remember Larry fondly, and often think of some of his yarns. My favorite was the one about the car in the yard with missing paperwork.
Tony Thompson



On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Dave Nelson <Western.Pacific.203@...> wrote:

Just imagine the story Larry Jackman would have spun with this lead-in.
 
Dave Nelson
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] daylight?
 
They grow ‘em big in Kansas!
 
Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


CB&Q Hoppers from Athearn Two-Bay Ribbed Hopper

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

I just received a box full of new Athearn 2-bay, ribbed side hoppers from an estate.  I was told by Jerry Hamsmith they are a good starting point for CB&Q twins.

Does anyone here have photos of the CB&Q ribbed twins handy?  I have the CB&Q Society magazine that covers the cars, but I'm in need of some end shots.  Also, and more importantly, I don't know how I'm going to handle modeling the horizontal seam on the sides of the car.  Some better photos would help.

Thanks in Advance,

John Golden
In cold, rainy, windy Germany


WTB: Sunshine 12.5 Virginian G-5 Low Side Gondola

Rich C
 

Hey Group, I am looking to buy a Sunshine 12.5 Virginian G-5 Low Side Gondola

 

 Please contact me off list

 

Thanks

Rich Christie

rhcdmc@...

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