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Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 02:11 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
The SOO line prototype looks like the better choice give the Cal-P traffic patterns. The SOO line car would feasibly be found in auto parts service to and returning empty from the Bay Area GM auto assembly plant.
The Soo Line had very little automobile and auto parts traffic, the Ford plant in St. Paul being the only assembly plant in Soo territory. I suspect these double door cars were bought for roll paper traffic out of Neenah and Menasha Wisconsin.

Dennis Storzek


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Tony Thompson
 


Mike Clements wrote:

Ken thanks for pointing out the issues with Tichy decals . . . . On the bright side they would make great surface transfers if they don’t flatten out after application LOL.
They do flatten somewhat, final result is not noticeably "puffy.”

The instructions - which I hadn’t looked either - say to apply large logos etc with Elmers glue
Naw. Just apply ‘em like regular decals.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

David Ball
 

Ken its probably worth noting that the Soo cars had square ends while the car you have has W ends. 

So that more or less narrows it the SAL car (which did have W ends), assuming you are worried about such things.

The NSC (ex Speedwitch) decal set D103 has the needed decals for this car, but is currently out if stock. As Brian has mentioned, Ted also has casting to better model the doors.

David Ball


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Mike Clements
 

Ken thanks for pointing out the issues with Tichy decals - I hadn’t heard anything about these. I have a set that I am getting ready to use and bought in the last year - now that I look close at them they are certainly puffy. On the bright side they would make great surface transfers if they don’t flatten out after application LOL. The instructions - which I hadn’t looked either - say to apply large logos etc with Elmers glue (I’m thinking Future would work better). Sounds like junk I may play around with them before throwing out. 
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Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
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Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

steve_wintner
 

I think they've been out of stock for quit a while, not sure if Ted if planning on re-running them.

Steve


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed only listed the cars built in 1949, because they are exactly like the Red Caboose model,
which is based on ACF drawings in the Car Builder Cyclopedia ( e.g. 1953 CBC, page 270 ).
ACF continued to build 103W cars for USAX such as these two (attached) cars built in 1955.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/6/2021 4:36 PM, Chris Barkan wrote:
Thanks Tim, I did not carefully re-examine the photo earlier and had forgotten that one of them was riveted, but the nearer car appears to be welded. So could that be one of them?  Again, the number series is not the same as Ed's list.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

np328
 

    Many of the auto cars (and especially on the NP given the radial roof design) lost their ability to haul cars as the autos became larger and longer and the new Evan's automobile loading equipment would no longer be able to be outfitted, AND provide clearance once the car was lifted. Evan's automobile loading equipment changed and perhaps this entered the equation, the changing of Evans equipment. Clearance from the floor on up to center ceiling was paramount and the difference of height inside a car from 10 feet 2 inches to 10 feet 6 inches was worlds apart. Radial roof design while strong and robust, needed tension bars as part of the structure. Boards were weaved at angles in compression and held at tension by metal bars and that loss of a few inches, took these cars out of auto service (and eventually other railroads cars also as interior heights became too restrictive.) 
     These 5000 series still worked well enough for large for not terribly heavy bulky items ordered through your Sears catalogue, such as stoves, washers, couches, fridges, and so on. In other words, in service where they would be seen all over the US.
    For the NP, the solution regarding auto haulage was the 8000 series of cars with Murphy roofs instead of radial. 

  I'll attach a photo.   The longitudinal wood braces plus the metal cross braces took the precious few inches of roof space that made a difference. (For want of a nail the kingdom.....) 

                                                                           Paul, of the car,    very...very....nicely....done.                                                                      James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Brian Carlson
 

You should get the speedwitch doors for the Soo car too when in stock. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Thanks for the quick input from all of you. 

The SOO line prototype looks like the better choice give the Cal-P traffic patterns. The SOO line car would feasibly be found in auto parts service to and returning empty from the Bay Area GM auto assembly plant. I try to fit every addition to my freight car collection to a real economic reason for it passing through my little Port Costa layout on the SP Western Division mainline. 

The choice of SOO as the prototype changes the project to a simple assembly, paint and decal job. Are there underframe drawings easily accessible that might determine the extent of under side detailing. I have the full Mainline Modeler collection and have used the Trainlife RMJ collection before. 

I would still like to add a UP A-50-16 to my 40' DD collection. I will keep a lookout for the Marklin cars at affordable prices.  I am woefully short of UP cars for the Cal-P in the 1950-54 period I model. Unrealistically I focus on 40 foot cars as my available layout space restricts my entire mainline length to 14 feet. Trains will be assembled but only photographed. There is no room for operation.

I am still leery of ordering Tichy decals due to the print thickness problem. If anyone can report that this has been resolved, I would gladly order more Tichy decals as there are many in the Tichy catalog I could use. I am now happy with NSC and Microscale decals these days now I have found the new LED light table to enable me to see the decal against the very light blue backing and determine which smaller decals are to be cut out. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Paul Doggett
 

Tony

Thank you

Paul

On 6 Nov 2021, at 21:18, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Lovely model, Paul I have always liked these big cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@...



On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Hi

I have just finished a Speedwitch NP automobile car but it’s no longer in automobile service

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





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Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Tony Thompson
 

Lovely model, Paul I have always liked these big cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Hi

I have just finished a Speedwitch NP automobile car but it’s no longer in automobile service

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





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Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Ken Adams
 

Thanks for the quick input from all of you. 

The SOO line prototype looks like the better choice give the Cal-P traffic patterns. The SOO line car would feasibly be found in auto parts service to and returning empty from the Bay Area GM auto assembly plant. I try to fit every addition to my freight car collection to a real economic reason for it passing through my little Port Costa layout on the SP Western Division mainline. 

The choice of SOO as the prototype changes the project to a simple assembly, paint and decal job. Are there underframe drawings easily accessible that might determine the extent of under side detailing. I have the full Mainline Modeler collection and have used the Trainlife RMJ collection before. 

I would still like to add a UP A-50-16 to my 40' DD collection. I will keep a lookout for the Marklin cars at affordable prices.  I am woefully short of UP cars for the Cal-P in the 1950-54 period I model. Unrealistically I focus on 40 foot cars as my available layout space restricts my entire mainline length to 14 feet. Trains will be assembled but only photographed. There is no room for operation.

I am still leery of ordering Tichy decals due to the print thickness problem. If anyone can report that this has been resolved, I would gladly order more Tichy decals as there are many in the Tichy catalog I could use. I am now happy with NSC and Microscale decals these days now I have found the new LED light table to enable me to see the decal against the very light blue backing and determine which smaller decals are to be cut out. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Chris Barkan
 

Thanks Tim, I did not carefully re-examine the photo earlier and had forgotten that one of them was riveted, but the nearer car appears to be welded. So could that be one of them?  Again, the number series is not the same as Ed's list.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Mike Clements
 

I was looking at these articles yesterday. Clearly I was thinking of the photos of the A-50-19 series as the A-50-16 photo is not period for you. You want the 1998 article below:

rmj_1998_1 – Trainlife.com Model Railroading Magazine Archive
rmj_1992_6 – Trainlife.com Model Railroading Magazine Archive

UP DECALS - Page -1 (tichytraingroup.com)

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

brianleppert@att.net
 

Speedwitch offers the doors for the Seaboard car, part P100.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Jim, apparently most lost the automobile lettering in the forties my mode  had a repaint in 1952 so would not have had automobile on it ( in my world 1950-3) I have photos of them in the early 50s without automobile on 

Cheers Paul


On 6 Nov 2021, at 19:35, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Paul,

  Great build!

  Auto service cars were often used in other services.  Both temporarily
and long term ... and then, later in the life of a car such as this one it
probably didn't see a lot of auto service assignments since newer/better
cars for the purpose would be introduced.
  However, I think they would have retained their "Automobile" lettering
unless they needed to be repainted.
  If you have a picture of this particular car that does not have "Automobile"
on it ... then you can use it anywhere you want!  Otherwise you might
want to consider adding the auto lettering it and heavily weathering that
part to show it is in different service now ... ???  (It's old, weathered, and
being used for general purpose needs now.)  Then again, if your YM 
(wearing their car clerk hat) don't seem to pay much attention to stuff
like that you don't have to worry, do you?
                                                                                              - Jim


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Tim O'Connor
 


For which Archer makes excellent replacements. Every serious UP modeler has to deal
with A.C.R. 😁

But the Red Caboose 10 foot inside height double door car?? That's a starting point for
nothing other than the two prototypes - Soo and Seaboard.

Tim O'Connor


On 11/6/2021 3:36 PM, Bryian Sones via groups.io wrote:

Ken,

The most glaring issue using the RC car for a UP A-50-16 is the RC car lacks the ACR (Alternating Center Rivets). 

Bryian Sones


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Mike Clements
 

There are prototype photos in an old RMJ article on Trainlife. Tichy makes decals for both the yellow and white stripe schemes.
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Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Bryian Sones
 

Ken,

The most glaring issue using the RC car for a UP A-50-16 is the RC car lacks the ACR (Alternating Center Rivets). 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, November 6, 2021, 12:11:53 PM PDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


I have stripped the RC DD 40' car as it was not at all close to the D&RGW scheme.  Looking at the car, I was wondering if it could be made into a UP A-50-16.  I know there was a very good Marklin model o this car but it appears to have disappeared from the usual used model markets. 

This is the National Scale Car picture of the Marklin model for comparison with the picture below of the RC version. The roof appears to be identical and the RC kit comes with Youngstown doors. The only major change would be to the sill reinforcement below the doors to match the UP model. I'll have to do some more research on the brake gear. Unfortunately the original Speedwitch decal set for this model is out of stock at NSC and I would not expect it to be reissued with none of the Marklin cars on the horizon. It might be pieced together from other sets. 





Is this a reasonable use for the RC kit? I don't have a good prototype photo of a  UP A-50-16 in the late 1940's or early 1950's to use as a reference.  I don't want to create a total foobie. 
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Jim Betz
 

Paul,

  Great build!

  Auto service cars were often used in other services.  Both temporarily
and long term ... and then, later in the life of a car such as this one it
probably didn't see a lot of auto service assignments since newer/better
cars for the purpose would be introduced.
  However, I think they would have retained their "Automobile" lettering
unless they needed to be repainted.
  If you have a picture of this particular car that does not have "Automobile"
on it ... then you can use it anywhere you want!  Otherwise you might
want to consider adding the auto lettering it and heavily weathering that
part to show it is in different service now ... ???  (It's old, weathered, and
being used for general purpose needs now.)  Then again, if your YM 
(wearing their car clerk hat) don't seem to pay much attention to stuff
like that you don't have to worry, do you?
                                                                                              - Jim


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


One of those cars shows a riveted end. So definitely not the Red Caboose car. But the Army
bought cars from multiple builders.

Attached is a prototype for the Red Caboose car. (Also fyi it was pointed out to me that the
UTLX car had a different underframe than the RC model.)



On 11/6/2021 2:09 PM, Chris Barkan wrote:

Thanks Ed, I have been curious about these cars for some time.  The attached photo by Edgar Guinea shows USAX 9220 & USAX 9130 in Belle Dock Yard New Haven, CT in 1961.  They are in a different USAX number series than you cited, but they look similar to me.  Could they have been renumbered or are these different cars?
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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