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Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Jeff Helm
 

Rob

Good catch, definitely three main outlets, nearest one uncapped, plus smaller pipes with retained caps as well, possibly for heater pipes?
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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


WTB: Focus on freight cars Volume 7

Michael Livingston
 

Hello all, 

I am doing a deep dive on auto parts trains of the late 1940s and 1950s and could really use a copy of this book. I have the other three auto and box car books in the series and they are so well done. 


Please contact me if you have a copy for sale or would lend it through January for a fee.

Best regards,
Michael Livingston 
Modeling southern Ontario in N-scale (circa 1946-1988)


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Robert kirkham
 

Hmm - with the multiple outlet and other downward projecting pipes between the centre sills, would this be a multi-compartment car?  If not, why the multiple pipes dropping down through there?

Rob

On Nov 7, 2021, at 4:46 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Here's an underframe view of a GATC Sunoco tank car, if you need one. 😁


On 11/7/2021 2:45 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Thanks Tim,

It turns out that the RC paint scheme is for a GATX car!

Upon cursory comparison of your photo and the model, it looks very do-able. Do these cars have heater coils?

Scott Haycock

On 11/06/2021 11:24 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A 500-car order for UTLX in 1951 were nearly identical in appearance.




Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <sunx_2224 3-dome_tank GATC overturned-underframe-detail cmo_39022 40ft_SD_box sou_10274 AAR-1937 train-wreck-scene.jpg>


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Thank you 

Paul Doggett 


On 7 Nov 2021, at 12:58, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Very nice model!  Enjoy seeing the unpainted shots. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Charlie Duckworth
 

Very nice model!  Enjoy seeing the unpainted shots. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Tim O'Connor
 

On a perfectly flat surface they are ok to use. I use them only if there's no alternative.

On 11/6/2021 6:15 PM, Mike Clements via groups.io wrote:
Ken thanks for pointing out the issues with Tichy decals - I hadn’t heard anything about these. I have a set that I am getting ready to use and bought in the last year - now that I look close at them they are certainly puffy. On the bright side they would make great surface transfers if they don’t flatten out after application LOL. The instructions - which I hadn’t looked either - say to apply large logos etc with Elmers glue (I’m thinking Future would work better). Sounds like junk I may play around with them before throwing out.
--
Mike Clements
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


Here's an underframe view of a GATC Sunoco tank car, if you need one. 😁


On 11/7/2021 2:45 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Thanks Tim,

It turns out that the RC paint scheme is for a GATX car!

Upon cursory comparison of your photo and the model, it looks very do-able. Do these cars have heater coils?

Scott Haycock

On 11/06/2021 11:24 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A 500-car order for UTLX in 1951 were nearly identical in appearance.




Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Paul Doggett
 

James 

Thank you for your information.

Paul Doggett 


On 6 Nov 2021, at 21:29, np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

    Many of the auto cars (and especially on the NP given the radial roof design) lost their ability to haul cars as the autos became larger and longer and the new Evan's automobile loading equipment would no longer be able to be outfitted, AND provide clearance once the car was lifted. Evan's automobile loading equipment changed and perhaps this entered the equation, the changing of Evans equipment. Clearance from the floor on up to center ceiling was paramount and the difference of height inside a car from 10 feet 2 inches to 10 feet 6 inches was worlds apart. Radial roof design while strong and robust, needed tension bars as part of the structure. Boards were weaved at angles in compression and held at tension by metal bars and that loss of a few inches, took these cars out of auto service (and eventually other railroads cars also as interior heights became too restrictive.) 
     These 5000 series still worked well enough for large for not terribly heavy bulky items ordered through your Sears catalogue, such as stoves, washers, couches, fridges, and so on. In other words, in service where they would be seen all over the US.
    For the NP, the solution regarding auto haulage was the 8000 series of cars with Murphy roofs instead of radial. 

  I'll attach a photo.   The longitudinal wood braces plus the metal cross braces took the precious few inches of roof space that made a difference. (For want of a nail the kingdom.....) 

                                                                           Paul, of the car,    very...very....nicely....done.                                                                      James Dick - Roseville, MN 
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Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Scott H. Haycock
 

Thanks Tim,

It turns out that the RC paint scheme is for a GATX car!

Upon cursory comparison of your photo and the model, it looks very do-able. Do these cars have heater coils?

Scott Haycock

On 11/06/2021 11:24 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A 500-car order for UTLX in 1951 were nearly identical in appearance.





Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Scott H. Haycock
 

Thanks Bruce,

I'll look at the archives. Knowing that the model represents a car that could be used in my op. scheme, is a starter for further research.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 11/06/2021 7:39 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Scott,

A quick search of the group archives provides a plethora of information regarding the profusion of foobies associated with Red Cabin Car's (That's Red Caboose to you non-PRR modelers) release of this kit. The kit is accurate for two road names, or rather three, since the Army Quartermaster Corps cars became DODX, and UTLX. 

In addition, a number of modelers have "upgraded" this car. Search "Red Caboose tank car" and enjoy.

A repaint of the kit (if it is actually in your era) to UTLX might be in order. Good decals are available and the scheme is simple (black).

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

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Folks, I know next to nothing about tank cars. I have  RC kit # 3010-6, Sunoco. Reporting marks are SUNX 6467. Is this an accurate scheme for this model?

Thanks,

Scott Haycock


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 02:11 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
The SOO line prototype looks like the better choice give the Cal-P traffic patterns. The SOO line car would feasibly be found in auto parts service to and returning empty from the Bay Area GM auto assembly plant.
The Soo Line had very little automobile and auto parts traffic, the Ford plant in St. Paul being the only assembly plant in Soo territory. I suspect these double door cars were bought for roll paper traffic out of Neenah and Menasha Wisconsin.

Dennis Storzek


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Tony Thompson
 


Mike Clements wrote:

Ken thanks for pointing out the issues with Tichy decals . . . . On the bright side they would make great surface transfers if they don’t flatten out after application LOL.
They do flatten somewhat, final result is not noticeably "puffy.”

The instructions - which I hadn’t looked either - say to apply large logos etc with Elmers glue
Naw. Just apply ‘em like regular decals.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

David Ball
 

Ken its probably worth noting that the Soo cars had square ends while the car you have has W ends. 

So that more or less narrows it the SAL car (which did have W ends), assuming you are worried about such things.

The NSC (ex Speedwitch) decal set D103 has the needed decals for this car, but is currently out if stock. As Brian has mentioned, Ted also has casting to better model the doors.

David Ball


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Mike Clements
 

Ken thanks for pointing out the issues with Tichy decals - I hadn’t heard anything about these. I have a set that I am getting ready to use and bought in the last year - now that I look close at them they are certainly puffy. On the bright side they would make great surface transfers if they don’t flatten out after application LOL. The instructions - which I hadn’t looked either - say to apply large logos etc with Elmers glue (I’m thinking Future would work better). Sounds like junk I may play around with them before throwing out. 
--
Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

steve_wintner
 

I think they've been out of stock for quit a while, not sure if Ted if planning on re-running them.

Steve


Re: Red Caboose 103-W 10,000 gal..tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed only listed the cars built in 1949, because they are exactly like the Red Caboose model,
which is based on ACF drawings in the Car Builder Cyclopedia ( e.g. 1953 CBC, page 270 ).
ACF continued to build 103W cars for USAX such as these two (attached) cars built in 1955.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/6/2021 4:36 PM, Chris Barkan wrote:
Thanks Tim, I did not carefully re-examine the photo earlier and had forgotten that one of them was riveted, but the nearer car appears to be welded. So could that be one of them?  Again, the number series is not the same as Ed's list.
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

np328
 

    Many of the auto cars (and especially on the NP given the radial roof design) lost their ability to haul cars as the autos became larger and longer and the new Evan's automobile loading equipment would no longer be able to be outfitted, AND provide clearance once the car was lifted. Evan's automobile loading equipment changed and perhaps this entered the equation, the changing of Evans equipment. Clearance from the floor on up to center ceiling was paramount and the difference of height inside a car from 10 feet 2 inches to 10 feet 6 inches was worlds apart. Radial roof design while strong and robust, needed tension bars as part of the structure. Boards were weaved at angles in compression and held at tension by metal bars and that loss of a few inches, took these cars out of auto service (and eventually other railroads cars also as interior heights became too restrictive.) 
     These 5000 series still worked well enough for large for not terribly heavy bulky items ordered through your Sears catalogue, such as stoves, washers, couches, fridges, and so on. In other words, in service where they would be seen all over the US.
    For the NP, the solution regarding auto haulage was the 8000 series of cars with Murphy roofs instead of radial. 

  I'll attach a photo.   The longitudinal wood braces plus the metal cross braces took the precious few inches of roof space that made a difference. (For want of a nail the kingdom.....) 

                                                                           Paul, of the car,    very...very....nicely....done.                                                                      James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Brian Carlson
 

You should get the speedwitch doors for the Soo car too when in stock. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Thanks for the quick input from all of you. 

The SOO line prototype looks like the better choice give the Cal-P traffic patterns. The SOO line car would feasibly be found in auto parts service to and returning empty from the Bay Area GM auto assembly plant. I try to fit every addition to my freight car collection to a real economic reason for it passing through my little Port Costa layout on the SP Western Division mainline. 

The choice of SOO as the prototype changes the project to a simple assembly, paint and decal job. Are there underframe drawings easily accessible that might determine the extent of under side detailing. I have the full Mainline Modeler collection and have used the Trainlife RMJ collection before. 

I would still like to add a UP A-50-16 to my 40' DD collection. I will keep a lookout for the Marklin cars at affordable prices.  I am woefully short of UP cars for the Cal-P in the 1950-54 period I model. Unrealistically I focus on 40 foot cars as my available layout space restricts my entire mainline length to 14 feet. Trains will be assembled but only photographed. There is no room for operation.

I am still leery of ordering Tichy decals due to the print thickness problem. If anyone can report that this has been resolved, I would gladly order more Tichy decals as there are many in the Tichy catalog I could use. I am now happy with NSC and Microscale decals these days now I have found the new LED light table to enable me to see the decal against the very light blue backing and determine which smaller decals are to be cut out. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Paul Doggett
 

Tony

Thank you

Paul

On 6 Nov 2021, at 21:18, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Lovely model, Paul I have always liked these big cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@...



On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Hi

I have just finished a Speedwitch NP automobile car but it’s no longer in automobile service

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





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Re: Speedwitch NP AUTOMOBILE CAR

Tony Thompson
 

Lovely model, Paul I have always liked these big cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Hi

I have just finished a Speedwitch NP automobile car but it’s no longer in automobile service

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





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