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Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Steve SANDIFER
 

I can’t speak to 1955, but in the 40s and early 50s ATSF used SFRD reefers commonly for LCL service.  The largest percentage of LCL traffic was from east to west and was clean, dry, and usually came short of cubing or weighing out a car.  Reefers were perfect for this.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Mischke
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 10:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

 



To promote reefer return, one backhaul from east to west was magazine bundles.  Care was taken to avoid any aromatic contamination.   A favorable carload rate was negotiated where three reefers = one boxcar load.

This was win-win.   The railroads got a backhaul with someone else's equipment instead of toting empties cross country.  The reefer owners got their cars back sooner on a more expedited basis.

So a model westbound coast-to-coast reefer string might be three or multiples of three.

Does this prototype observation and model idea make sense?


Re: Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


Coil-elliptical, or ordinary Bettendorf (look very much like Tichy trucks)

On 11/9/2021 9:18 PM, Jim Mischke wrote:
I would like to apply Tahoe Model Works Dahlman trucks on my Red Caboose CGW ARA boxcar #87550.

The Tahoe web site documented users list has CGW "#85000-86998 re# 400-505, 8000-8469 40’ steel box - Red Caboose X29/ARA".

Would the CGW 87000 series have Dahlman trucks as well?   Prototype photos so far only show trucks in deep shade.   Come to think of it, my basement casts all trucks in deep shade.  But it's the principle involved.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Kemal Mumcu
 

Nice work Ray.  What are you doing for decals?

Colin Meikle


Re: Soo Line 76144

Robert Allan
 

Very nice cars. I particularly like the SOO car.

Can you describe where you apply the Pan Pastels? I am concerned that when I use it, so of my effort to match the prototype body colour is compromised by use of the weathering powders.

Is there commonly available information on the underbody colour that you use?

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Eric. That pretty much my thinking, but it doesn’t hurt to check with the experts.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

 

I typically paint the trucks with the car color. When a prototype car is painted, over spray would cover at least some portion of the truck side frames. Weathering will alter the final appearance. The attached image of a B&O M-26b boxcar shows the effect. Additional examples can be seen on my Flickr gallery.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 


Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Ken Adams
 

Unfamiliar with the definition of "record rights" in the Southern refrigerator empty routing. Does this refer to the previous load carrier routing?

For PFE, which town/location named Meridian would the Southern instructions refer to. Meridian, GA or Meridian, Miss..  

It is long after 1955 and the time frame of Steam Era list but, but when I worked on PFE missing interchange reports (1970-73), I recall there were per diem charges for refrigerator cars, possibly just mechanicals by this time. Interchange reporting was more important by then because of the per diem charges due the car owner. It was semi-automated with carriers exchanging physical tapes on a monthly basis.  SP IT had a program to identify missing interchange reports from the tapes and I received a printout to calculate the charges and follow up by letter with each of the carriers involved. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

George Eichelberger
 

When the harvest season changed, FGE and WFE mtys were gathered at various locations and run as entire trains W to E or vice-versa. I assume (do not “know”) the routes used may have been FGE/WFE members to save costs on the moves. There are notes in the SRHA archives instructing clerks to send the empties to build the special trains. The return instructions I posted show the banana traffic out of Charleston always had cars sent there.

Ike


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] CB&Q 15508

Michael Gross
 

Lovely product from Speedwitch, and a gorgeous build!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

On Nov 10, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,
 
Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.
and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
 
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Re: Soo Line 76144

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

Another excellent model.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Nov 2021, at 15:24, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Greetings,

 

Earlier this year we headed down to AZ when the weather got cold in Minnesota and I brought a handful of resin freight car kits along.  I built several cars and was able to spray them with primer while in AZ, but I didn’t bring equipment along to paint the cars.  Once we got back home I focused on other projects (including getting the layout back to operating condition after COVID).

 

I have finally gotten around to painting, decaling, and weathering these cars.  The first car I finished is Soo Line 76144, A Resin Car Works kit.     I added Kadee 158 couplers, Intermountain 0.088" wheelsets, PSC 39156 air hose brackets, HiTech Details 6038 air hoses, and Tangent TSM-203 coupler lift bars.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-200 SOO 1949-55 Freight Car Red and TCP-010 Black.  The car was weathered using Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Neutral Gray Shade, and Paynes Grey Extra Dark, along with Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  Light weathering was applied to simulate a car repainted 23 months ago.  Then I added Speedwitch chalk mark decals.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

 

 

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Re: CB&Q 15508

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

Very nice I really like the weathering and chalk marks.
Paul Doggett      England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Nov 2021, at 15:30, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Greetings,

 

Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.

and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

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Re: NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

Eric Hansmann
 

I typically paint the trucks with the car color. When a prototype car is painted, over spray would cover at least some portion of the truck side frames. Weathering will alter the final appearance. The attached image of a B&O M-26b boxcar shows the effect. Additional examples can be seen on my Flickr gallery.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 11/10/2021 8:07 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


What color were trucks for these NYC and MILW gondolas under conditions stated?


NYC 751000-751099 wood floor rebuild in 1945, presumably repainted then, as it would appear in 1953.


MILW 80000-81034 repainted in 1947 as it would appear in 1953.


I have no color photos to work from, and color model photos available show both black and freight car red on both models, so they’re not a reliable reference.


Thanks,


Nelson Moyer




CB&Q 15508

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.

and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Soo Line 76144

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

Earlier this year we headed down to AZ when the weather got cold in Minnesota and I brought a handful of resin freight car kits along.  I built several cars and was able to spray them with primer while in AZ, but I didn’t bring equipment along to paint the cars.  Once we got back home I focused on other projects (including getting the layout back to operating condition after COVID).

 

I have finally gotten around to painting, decaling, and weathering these cars.  The first car I finished is Soo Line 76144, A Resin Car Works kit.     I added Kadee 158 couplers, Intermountain 0.088" wheelsets, PSC 39156 air hose brackets, HiTech Details 6038 air hoses, and Tangent TSM-203 coupler lift bars.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-200 SOO 1949-55 Freight Car Red and TCP-010 Black.  The car was weathered using Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Neutral Gray Shade, and Paynes Grey Extra Dark, along with Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  Light weathering was applied to simulate a car repainted 23 months ago.  Then I added Speedwitch chalk mark decals.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

 

 

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Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Jim Betz
 

Jim Mischke,
  If you have an ice rack on your layout then using "a rack full" as some kind of
multiplier of reefers makes a lot of sense - the question then would be 'how
many rack loads to use'.  If you don't have an actual rack you can decide the
same kind of thing by using something related to the 'imaginary' rack(s) in
staging.  Another possibility would be to use "the size most convenient for the
industry where the reefers would be loaded/unloaded" ("size" is the number of
reefers in a cut).

  What I'm saying, rather clumsily, is that the reefers could be handled either in
complete trains at a time or in 'complete cuts' of reefers ... rather than as
oneseys and twoseys.  And they would go out/come in either on "the reefer
train" or at least on "the express/thru train".
  All of this is, of course, during the peak shipping season(s) for the products
that would be in reefers for the part of the country you are modeling.  For 
example, if your layout represents California then you can easily use reefers
for lettuce, fruits, and any other product that is going East to the fresh market(s).

                                                                   - hope this helps ... Jim in the PNW


Re: Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

Nelson Moyer
 

The CGW Chicagoland mini-kit also used elliptical coil trucks, which a good reason to add some CGW cars to your roster for truck variety.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

 

That series, 87000 even #s rode on TMW elliptical sprung trucks
Clark Propst

 


NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

Nelson Moyer
 

What color were trucks for these NYC and MILW gondolas under conditions stated?

 

NYC 751000-751099 wood floor rebuild in 1945, presumably repainted then, as it would appear in 1953.

 

MILW 80000-81034 repainted in 1947 as it would appear in 1953.

 

I have no color photos to work from, and color model photos available show both black and freight car red on both models, so they’re not a reliable reference.

 

Thanks,

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Alex;

 

PRR bought its paint in that era from a large group of commercial suppliers, who provided “best match” paints.  I am sure quality varied, but surface prep was also crucial.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 9:37 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

 

Chris, thank you very much. Exactly what I needed.

I hope my decals look better than the last prototype photo! Was the PRR buying paint at a going-out-of-business sale?

Alex Schneider


Re: Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

Clark Propst
 

That series, 87000 even #s rode on TMW elliptical sprung trucks
Clark Propst


Re: Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Chris, thank you very much. Exactly what I needed.

I hope my decals look better than the last prototype photo! Was the PRR buying paint at a going-out-of-business sale?

Alex Schneider


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Bruce Smith
 

The PRR had specific trains, symbol TRS, to "expedite" empty refrigerator cars (and tank and stock cars) west.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 10:51 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

> This was win-win.   The railroads got a backhaul with someone else's equipment instead of toting empties cross country.  The reefer owners got their cars back sooner on a more expedited basis.


Remember that reefers were paid on a mileage basis, loaded or empty, so the reefer owners could not care less about westward loads. And in harvest time, they wanted their cars back without divergence to loading points, followed by delays getting the cars unloaded again and moved to produce areas. PFE people told me that they put up with some westward loading (less than 10 percent of westward cars) but would have been happy with all empties coming west.

Tony Thompson
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