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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] CB&Q 15508

Michael Gross
 

Lovely product from Speedwitch, and a gorgeous build!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

On Nov 10, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,
 
Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.
and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
 
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Re: Soo Line 76144

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

Another excellent model.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Nov 2021, at 15:24, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Greetings,

 

Earlier this year we headed down to AZ when the weather got cold in Minnesota and I brought a handful of resin freight car kits along.  I built several cars and was able to spray them with primer while in AZ, but I didn’t bring equipment along to paint the cars.  Once we got back home I focused on other projects (including getting the layout back to operating condition after COVID).

 

I have finally gotten around to painting, decaling, and weathering these cars.  The first car I finished is Soo Line 76144, A Resin Car Works kit.     I added Kadee 158 couplers, Intermountain 0.088" wheelsets, PSC 39156 air hose brackets, HiTech Details 6038 air hoses, and Tangent TSM-203 coupler lift bars.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-200 SOO 1949-55 Freight Car Red and TCP-010 Black.  The car was weathered using Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Neutral Gray Shade, and Paynes Grey Extra Dark, along with Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  Light weathering was applied to simulate a car repainted 23 months ago.  Then I added Speedwitch chalk mark decals.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

 

 

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Re: CB&Q 15508

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

Very nice I really like the weathering and chalk marks.
Paul Doggett      England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 10 Nov 2021, at 15:30, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Greetings,

 

Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.

and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

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Re: NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

Eric Hansmann
 

I typically paint the trucks with the car color. When a prototype car is painted, over spray would cover at least some portion of the truck side frames. Weathering will alter the final appearance. The attached image of a B&O M-26b boxcar shows the effect. Additional examples can be seen on my Flickr gallery.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On 11/10/2021 8:07 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


What color were trucks for these NYC and MILW gondolas under conditions stated?


NYC 751000-751099 wood floor rebuild in 1945, presumably repainted then, as it would appear in 1953.


MILW 80000-81034 repainted in 1947 as it would appear in 1953.


I have no color photos to work from, and color model photos available show both black and freight car red on both models, so they’re not a reliable reference.


Thanks,


Nelson Moyer




CB&Q 15508

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

Next up from the AZ built cars is CB&Q 15508, a Speedwitch XA-9 Auto Car kit.  I finished this car earlier today.

and brackets.  The cars was painted with TruColor TCP-240 CB&Q Frt Car Red.  Weathering was done using Prismacolor Terra Cotta, Tuscan Red,Light Umber, 30% Cool Grey, and Sienna Brown pencils; Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Black, Red Iron Oxide Ex. Dark, Red Iron Oxide Shade, and Permanent Red Extra Dark; and  Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black  Finally, Speedwitch chalk mark decals were added.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

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Soo Line 76144

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

Earlier this year we headed down to AZ when the weather got cold in Minnesota and I brought a handful of resin freight car kits along.  I built several cars and was able to spray them with primer while in AZ, but I didn’t bring equipment along to paint the cars.  Once we got back home I focused on other projects (including getting the layout back to operating condition after COVID).

 

I have finally gotten around to painting, decaling, and weathering these cars.  The first car I finished is Soo Line 76144, A Resin Car Works kit.     I added Kadee 158 couplers, Intermountain 0.088" wheelsets, PSC 39156 air hose brackets, HiTech Details 6038 air hoses, and Tangent TSM-203 coupler lift bars.  The car was painted with TruColor TCP-200 SOO 1949-55 Freight Car Red and TCP-010 Black.  The car was weathered using Pan Pastel Raw Umber, Neutral Gray Shade, and Paynes Grey Extra Dark, along with Polly Scale Rust and Grimy Black.  Light weathering was applied to simulate a car repainted 23 months ago.  Then I added Speedwitch chalk mark decals.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

 

 

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Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Jim Betz
 

Jim Mischke,
  If you have an ice rack on your layout then using "a rack full" as some kind of
multiplier of reefers makes a lot of sense - the question then would be 'how
many rack loads to use'.  If you don't have an actual rack you can decide the
same kind of thing by using something related to the 'imaginary' rack(s) in
staging.  Another possibility would be to use "the size most convenient for the
industry where the reefers would be loaded/unloaded" ("size" is the number of
reefers in a cut).

  What I'm saying, rather clumsily, is that the reefers could be handled either in
complete trains at a time or in 'complete cuts' of reefers ... rather than as
oneseys and twoseys.  And they would go out/come in either on "the reefer
train" or at least on "the express/thru train".
  All of this is, of course, during the peak shipping season(s) for the products
that would be in reefers for the part of the country you are modeling.  For 
example, if your layout represents California then you can easily use reefers
for lettuce, fruits, and any other product that is going East to the fresh market(s).

                                                                   - hope this helps ... Jim in the PNW


Re: Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

Nelson Moyer
 

The CGW Chicagoland mini-kit also used elliptical coil trucks, which a good reason to add some CGW cars to your roster for truck variety.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

 

That series, 87000 even #s rode on TMW elliptical sprung trucks
Clark Propst

 


NYC and MILW Truck Color Question

Nelson Moyer
 

What color were trucks for these NYC and MILW gondolas under conditions stated?

 

NYC 751000-751099 wood floor rebuild in 1945, presumably repainted then, as it would appear in 1953.

 

MILW 80000-81034 repainted in 1947 as it would appear in 1953.

 

I have no color photos to work from, and color model photos available show both black and freight car red on both models, so they’re not a reliable reference.

 

Thanks,

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Alex;

 

PRR bought its paint in that era from a large group of commercial suppliers, who provided “best match” paints.  I am sure quality varied, but surface prep was also crucial.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

 

Chris, thank you very much. Exactly what I needed.

I hope my decals look better than the last prototype photo! Was the PRR buying paint at a going-out-of-business sale?

Alex Schneider


Re: Dahlman trucks on CGW ARA boxcars

Clark Propst
 

That series, 87000 even #s rode on TMW elliptical sprung trucks
Clark Propst


Re: Wright Track X-29D boxcar instructions

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Chris, thank you very much. Exactly what I needed.

I hope my decals look better than the last prototype photo! Was the PRR buying paint at a going-out-of-business sale?

Alex Schneider


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Bruce Smith
 

The PRR had specific trains, symbol TRS, to "expedite" empty refrigerator cars (and tank and stock cars) west.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955
 
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> This was win-win.   The railroads got a backhaul with someone else's equipment instead of toting empties cross country.  The reefer owners got their cars back sooner on a more expedited basis.


Remember that reefers were paid on a mileage basis, loaded or empty, so the reefer owners could not care less about westward loads. And in harvest time, they wanted their cars back without divergence to loading points, followed by delays getting the cars unloaded again and moved to produce areas. PFE people told me that they put up with some westward loading (less than 10 percent of westward cars) but would have been happy with all empties coming west.

Tony Thompson
tony@...








Re: RC Double Staggered Door 40' Box Car Redux

Scott H. Haycock
 



On 11/09/2021 12:09 PM I wrote:




The AF-3 cars were actually 10'-3'' IH cars. I know of no other 40' DD cars with this
height. The herald also says "RAILWAY", instead of "RAILROAD".

The highlighted part is incorrect. The IH should read 10'-0''. The mistake is entirely mine. 

I wish to thank Tom Christensen for bringing this to my attention.
Scott Haycock

Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 11/09/2021 10:50 AM Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


I'm still mulling over my choices. It seems the RC model would only be close to the SAL 40' DD prototype. I would go with the SAL car and livery but I am unsure of any 1950-54 economic shipping activity that would lead to frequent sighting of the prototype an SAL on the Cal-P mainline of the SP Western Division. If anyone has any information to confirm there was a case for these cars coming frequently to Northern California, please let me know. I am trying to closely match my freight car active inventory to match what would actually be seen on the trackage I am trying to model. Unfortunately the 6 inch car body height is noticeable otherwise I would go with the UP prototype. I keep looking for the Marklin UP single and double door box cars on Ebay and other online markets,  Unfortunately it has now been almost 2 years since we had local swap meets and NMRA Coast Division auctions. 

This kit was a $5 quick decision on my local hobby shop consignment shelf. Post acquisition justification for a kit is not always the best recommended practice. Possibly the original owner had a similar quandary. 

Also a currently available decal recommendation for a SAL 40' DD car would be appreciated.  The NSC/Speedwitch set for the specific car is currently out of production and as the matching model is not being made by IM, not likely to be revived. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek, California
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Ray Carson
 

I apologize for bumping an old thread and responding late. Thank you everyone for the photos both in this thread and the ones that PMed me information.

Anyway regarding the SP&S car, I've done work with the cut bars. They aren't 100% accurate but they're pretty good as is using reference photos.


Re: Buffalo Creek boxes to Canada?

Drew Bunn
 

On Tue., Nov. 9, 2021, 22:56 Jim Mischke, <jmischke@...> wrote:

"Yet there are many occasions when only an American product will suffice and distinctive US railroad cars make their way north."

     Don't forget the Canada Southern that was owned by NYC/Michigan Central. Any number of cars from the west coast could and would have moved through Southern Ontario between Windsor and Niagara Falls/Buffalo on their way to NY, NJ, and points east.
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Burlington,  ON
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Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Tony Thompson
 

This was win-win. The railroads got a backhaul with someone else's equipment instead of toting empties cross country. The reefer owners got their cars back sooner on a more expedited basis.

Remember that reefers were paid on a mileage basis, loaded or empty, so the reefer owners could not care less about westward loads. And in harvest time, they wanted their cars back without divergence to loading points, followed by delays getting the cars unloaded again and moved to produce areas. PFE people told me that they put up with some westward loading (less than 10 percent of westward cars) but would have been happy with all empties coming west.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Scott H. Haycock
 

Ken, 

George was generous to send me those two pages. Here you go.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 11/09/2021 7:18 PM Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Ike

I am actually curious about the other 2 pages as I am wondering what the Southern instructions for the disposition of PFE cars released by the consignee were.  I used to work for PFE tracing missing interchange reports for mileage and per diem billing in the early 1970's. Reverse routing for Ice and Mechanical empties would be the norm in the early 1970's.  Railroads were supposed to contact PFE for permission before using for any reverse loading. They were not considered free roaming. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Refrigerator Car Return Instruction 1955

Jim Mischke
 



To promote reefer return, one backhaul from east to west was magazine bundles.  Care was taken to avoid any aromatic contamination.   A favorable carload rate was negotiated where three reefers = one boxcar load.

This was win-win.   The railroads got a backhaul with someone else's equipment instead of toting empties cross country.  The reefer owners got their cars back sooner on a more expedited basis.

So a model westbound coast-to-coast reefer string might be three or multiples of three.

Does this prototype observation and model idea make sense?



Re: Catalytic refining: was UTLX 10,000 gallon X-3 tankcar

Jim Mischke
 



Thank you for your observation.

While researching B&O oil traffic, I become familiar with pretroleum technology as found in the oil trade press.   The Standard Oil refinery near Philadelphia is credited as an innovator and early adopter of catalytic cracking.   That the technology flow might be earlier and the story more complicated comes as no surprise.


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