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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Lehigh Valley ‘wrong way’ boxcar question

Tony Thompson
 

Sorry, meant to write “Brian.”    Tony


On Nov 20, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

 Roan is absolutely right. Your hafta do it.

Sent from my 
 
Coating them is SOP for F&C decals. Not matter how old. 

Brian J. Carlson 


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Lehigh Valley ‘wrong way’ boxcar question

Tony Thompson
 

 Roan is absolutely right. Your hafta do it.

Sent from my 
 

Coating them is SOP for F&C decals. Not matter how old. 

Brian J. Carlson _._,_._,_


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Lehigh Valley ‘wrong way’ boxcar question

mopacfirst
 

Had one last month like that -- one of the Pittsburgh road gons, I believe McKeesport Connecting.  Fortunately there wasn't a lot of lettering, and I may still put some reweigh data over some of the broken-up lettering.

I used the Microscale decal coating fluid on the few F&C decals I use, but I thought I'd fly without it this time.  Fortunately, it was just the capacity data that I started with.

Ron Merrick


Looking for Sunshine

Fred Jansz
 

Looking for Sunshine #22.6: CB&Q XA-7/8, 40' os brace 10'IH wood 1 1/2 door boxcar w. Murphy ends.
Kit from 1995.
If you have one in your stash you know you'll never build, please consider selling it to me.
Thanks!


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Lehigh Valley ‘wrong way’ boxcar question

Brian Carlson
 

Coating them is SOP for F&C decals. Not matter how old. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 20, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

I’m decaling the F&C Lehigh Valley boxcar and just a note to those that haven’t built one make sure you coat the decals with a fixative before placing them in water.  Mine broke up in several pieces coming out of the water.  I had a spray can of the Testors Decal coating and saved the rest of the set. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Lehigh Valley ‘wrong way’ boxcar question

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m decaling the F&C Lehigh Valley boxcar and just a note to those that haven’t built one make sure you coat the decals with a fixative before placing them in water.  Mine broke up in several pieces coming out of the water.  I had a spray can of the Testors Decal coating and saved the rest of the set. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Jeff Helm
 

Ken

In looking at the SP&S Color Guide, it appears that revenue flat cars, including this series, were black.  Flats in MOW service were boxcar red.
--
Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: CMO 1658 Series Rebuild Questions

Robert kirkham
 

I have not really taken the time with the collection to try to trace Walter Frost’s trips/photo locations.  The vast preponderance are obviously in the city of Vancouver proper.   

Unfortunately, I never had the pleasure of meeting him, and only discovered his work when I began exploring the archives in the 1980s.   

Rob


On Nov 19, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Doug Polinder via groups.io <mikado3399@...> wrote:

Yes, an interesting year in the Fraser Canyon.  First a new Canadian record high temperature (was that Lillooet?) and now enough rain to cut the transcontinental mainlines.  Rob, I saw an image of a washout that cut three tracks.  Was that CP or CN?

While Walter Frost took the vast majority of his photos in Vancouver and environs, I see that he traveled some to take pictures.  He has some shots of NP six-axle units that did not get within 100 miles/160 km of the border (probably he took those in Seattle or Tacoma).  Are you aware of other locations he might have taken pictures?  Did he get into the interior to shoot PGE?

Doug Polinder
Whatcom County WA native


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Todd Sullivan
 

Ken,

All the SP&S flatcars (and NP's, too) I ever saw in person or photos were painted black.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Ken Adams
 

One last question to put to this group. Were 1940-50's SP&S flat cars painted black (like NP?) or a dark freight car red?  Not and SP&S expert/modeler although I have lived in Spokane, Portland and Seattle at various times in my life.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: CMO 1658 Series Rebuild Questions

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Indeed it does Tim. You are thinking of Prince Rupert, B.C..

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: November 19, 2021 7:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CMO 1658 Series Rebuild Questions

 

 

Doesn't CN serve another port far to the north of Vancouver?

 

 

On 11/19/2021 9:26 AM, Doug Polinder via groups.io wrote:

> Yes, an interesting year in the Fraser Canyon.  First a new Canadian

> record high temperature (was that Lillooet?) and now enough rain to

> cut the transcontinental mainlines.  Rob, I saw an image of a washout

> that cut three tracks.  Was that CP or CN?

> While Walter Frost took the vast majority of his photos in Vancouver

> and environs, I see that he traveled some to take pictures.  He has

> some shots of NP six-axle units that did not get within 100 miles/160

> km of the border (probably he took those in Seattle or Tacoma).  Are

> you aware of other locations he might have taken pictures?  Did he get

> into the interior to shoot PGE?

> Doug Polinder

 

 

 

--

*Tim O'Connor*

*Sterling, Massachusetts*

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [EXT] Rapido X31A boxcars, questions.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

So, this is what the u/f looked like with the 2 new “Z” stringers.

 

Although not visible from outside, there were these 10 X31A converted for coiled steel shipment.  The earliest dedicated coiled steel car on the PRR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 4:50 PM
To: PRR@PRR.groups.io
Cc: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] [EXT] Rapido X31A boxcars, questions.

 

Dan, All interested;

 

To add to what Bruce supplied:

 

>>>>I wanted to build variations of the cars with both transverse and longitudinal brake air tanks in both single and double door versions.  Are the cross ties always in the same location across the X31 classes? Is it simply rearranging brake components for the different variations?

 

First:  The attached should help.  First, you need at least seven guys to do the construction😊 

 

Second photo:  Triple valve location on relocated/longitudinal reservoir cars.  Note Z bar stringers;

 

Third:  Compare to Rapido car transverse reservoir;

 

Four:  1951 rebuild diagram without replacement of single stringers or end diagonals; longitudinal reservoir;

 

Five:  Mounting for brake cylinder.  Note the lever diagram!  Nice detail!

 

Six:  Center sill for locations/spacing.

 

BTW:  IF YOU BUY LOTS OF THESE EARLY X31A’s, Rapido would most certainly consider doing the later cars

 

 

Lastly;

 

Rapido knows the following, but if you want to do the later X31A’s now, and other X31’s, the following should help.  Note the shift from transverse to longitudinal:

 

1

X31

 

 

 

Bowser double door; some used Universal and Equipco brakes

6

(+1)

X31A

67561

 

67758

68047

 

68143

68283

68377

68408

70094

76447

76642

76758

76777

76803

77061

77634

77758

77991

 

78417

78433

78477

78496

78913

79612

80239

80330

 

80378

 

81151

G Elwood

rsa

Burg

E9736-38

 

Vol 1 p.78

Bob

Dunn-Burg

Vol 2 p.40

Burg

Dunn-Burg

Vol 1 p.77

Vol 2 p.40

Vol 2 p.40

Vol 1 p.77

Vol 2 p.40

Bob

Vol 2 p.40

Dunn-Burg

 

AGaines

Dunn-Burg

Vol 3 p.54

Bob

Bob

JSands

Kuelbs?

Dunn-Burg

 

Dunn-Burg

 

Hagley

SK sans serif; transverse reservoir; 2D-F8

CK; Equipco brakes

CK; trans res; 2D-F12; no patch; early Equipco; jog grab; 4/34

PK; coal tar car

SK; calendar; ptd 4/54 trans res; 11/54

PK; 9/61; transverse brake res.

SK sans serif; Ajax brakes

PK; 9/61; transverse brake reservoir.

PK; 11/61; longitudinal reservoir.

SK serif; P57-11-54; c.’55

SK serif

SK serif; Universal brakes

PK; p-62-6-61

SK sans serif

CK; 2D-F12; 12/54

SK serif

SK; 2/60 repaint in serif; longitudinal reservoir.

None; Equipco

SK; 3/60 repaint in serif

CK;

SK; serif; ptd 6/55; 4/57

PK; ptd 1/66; patch; 7/68

SK sans serif; patch; long res; 1966

PK; 9/61 rebld; straight grab; Ajax?

SK; 2/60 repaint in serif; longitudinal reservoir.

SK; 4/60 repaint in serif; early Equipco; long. Res.

B end; Ajax brake

Bowser double door and single door cars; West Shore Line (NLA); Sunshine (NLA)

X31A early X31F brake arrangement (B end to right)

Late X31A (and etc) brake arrangement (B end to right)

1

X31B

 

 

 

Bowser; some used Universal and Equipco brakes

X31B-C brake arrangement (B end to right)

1

X31C

62805

63130

63274

unk

Bob

Vol 1 p.78

CK; auto ldr; 2D-F12; new

CK; ? brake; 2D-F12; 11/55

SK

Bowser bash; some used Universal and Equipco brakes

 

X31D

57700?

 

577034

Unk

 

unk

CK; auto; DD; trans res; 2D-F12; lift-off roof rings; 3/36

CK; auto; DD; roof off; mid-Equipco

NA; Bowser

1

X31F

81200

 

81312

 

81861

Lane

 

Bob

 

amh

Model

CK; trans res; blt 3/34; 2D-F12; mis-stencilled as X31B

SK; serif; trans res; ? brake; >1/57

SK serif PRR; trans res; hi rf; blt 6/34, >12/59

SK

Bowser; Sunshine

 

If you really bug me, I can try to find my interior, no flooring shots….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 10:30 AM
To: espeefan@...; Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (USA) <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [EXT] Rapido X31A boxcars, questions.

 

Dan,


The short answer is that yes, you can probably use the Rapido body for any subclass of X31, as to the best of my knowledge, the underbodies and side sheathing were the same. There are differences in things like the end ladder width between the X31/X31A/X31F and X31B/X31/C. In addition the number of longitudinal stringers and the diagonal end braces changed to stringers over time.

 

The Bowser X31B/C roof is the best one out there. Of course, it’s also the only one, really! I was happy to use those cars for my fleet.

 

As for the position of the running board, the Rapido car is probably more accurate.

 

We have nothing to do with the mechanicals of the car… so take it up Rapido 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce

 

From: Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Reply-To: "
espeefan@..." <espeefan@...>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:21 AM
To: "Bruce F. Smith" <
smithbf@...>, "Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (USA)" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
Subject: [EXT] Rapido X31A boxcars, questions.

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Hello Bruce and Elden,

 

The new Rapido X3A boxcars have been arriving and my 6 kits and 1 built up arrived a couple of weeks ago.

 

I wanted to see if I can ask a few questions about the new kits and you're the ones that I know of that are the most knowledgeable about PRR.

I wanted to build variations of the cars with both transverse and longitudinal brake air tanks in both single and double door versions.  Are the cross ties always in the same location across the X31 classes? Is it simply rearranging brake components for the different variations?

 

Are there any differences in side sheathing patterns between the various classes, X31, X31A, X31B ? All single door patterns the same ? Double door patterns the same ?

 

It looks like the Bowser X31 flush roof can be put on the Rapido body. How is the Bowser flush roof? Are the running board lateral insets in the right location? Over all, the dimensions are the same and I have already swapped a Bowser roof onto a DD kit. Looks pretty good and will need just a bit of sanding and blending at the joint on the ends to be done. I notice a small difference in the location of the running board laterals here. The Rapido laterals are slightly outboard of thr Bowser roof insets. Bowser running board fits well, of coarse .I actually like the look of the Bowser running boards better than the Rapido ones.

 

Some observations; Some ladders in the kits have broken rungs inside the package. Maybe not a problem as I'm thinking of making up Yarmouth ladders with soldered .008 rungs. Are Kadee bracket grabs correct for the X31's? With the narrower end ladders of the X31B's, is there any change in location of the brake step?

 

Doing some basic set up when starting on the under frame, it was riding to high, by about .020. That's when I noticed that the trucks have an oddball mount. What were they thinking of? Or am I missing something. A lot of work to lower the car for the correct ride height. The truck swing limiter is useless, the coupler pockets stop the swing before the limit is reached! Goofy. Checked all my other Rapido cars and they all have a more conventional truck mounting. Way different on the X31As. Buying these trucks separately to put under other cars would be a chore.

 

Also looks like the Bowser X31F roof could be swapped. Basically all 40' versions could be built with the new Rapido car and appropriate Bowser parts. Correct?

Thank you for any help that you can give me.

 

Regards,

Dan

 

Dan Smith

 

 


Re: CMO 1658 Series Rebuild Questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Doesn't CN serve another port far to the north of Vancouver?

On 11/19/2021 9:26 AM, Doug Polinder via groups.io wrote:
Yes, an interesting year in the Fraser Canyon.  First a new Canadian record high temperature (was that Lillooet?) and now enough rain to cut the transcontinental mainlines.  Rob, I saw an image of a washout that cut three tracks.  Was that CP or CN?

While Walter Frost took the vast majority of his photos in Vancouver and environs, I see that he traveled some to take pictures.  He has some shots of NP six-axle units that did not get within 100 miles/160 km of the border (probably he took those in Seattle or Tacoma).  Are you aware of other locations he might have taken pictures?  Did he get into the interior to shoot PGE?

Doug Polinder
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Sale

Spen Kellogg
 

My children, all in their forties, are encouraging me to reduce my model railroad inventory as I am getting on in years. My purchasing has been in two directions, the Southern Pacific in the late steam/first generation diesel era, and the SP/CP/O&C during the Harriman era. My inventory of the 1940s/1950s consists of kits and completed cars and locomotives that have been certified for operation at the Colorado Model Railroad Museum in Greeley, Colorado where I am a 4,000 hour volunteer and dispatcher. I have listed over 200 pieces of rolling stock and 40+ detail parts for passenger cars, which I will never build or use and am selling. All of the items are kits, many of them requiring good modeling skills. While much of the rolling stock is SP related, there are a number of items from other railroads and operators such as B&O, Pennsy, Pullman, and others. I am not selling my completed cars, as it is fun to run a 70 car train powered by several cab forwards, F7s, MT-4s, etc on the 20 mile single track mountain model railroad in Greeley.

I will accept payment by check or PayPal. Shipping will be by Priority Mail and the exact shipping cost will be in addition to the price of items purchased. I will be attending Cocoa Beach Prototype Rails in January and can also deliver items there (so long as I can get everything in one suitcase).

If your are interested, please contact me OFF-LIST at "Centurylink.net". My e-mail name is "spenkellogg" and please ask for which list or lists you would like to see. The lists are as follows:

Freight Cars
Passenger Cars
Passenger Car Detail Parts
Locomotives

As I am sending this e-mail to three different lists, I apologize if you receive multiple copies of this e-mail.

Spen Kellogg in  Erie, Colorado


Re: Bob's Photos at Amherst Train Show in 2022

Tim O'Connor
 


? what year do you think this is ? 😂

There was a show in January 2020. But none this year, 2021. I'm very hopeful for
the show to return in 2022!


On 11/19/2021 9:55 AM, Richard McQuade via groups.io wrote:

I usually attend the Amherst Train Show and visit Bob's Photos in the hotel across the street from the fairgrounds. Border restrictions due to Covid prohibited going last year. Does anybody know whether or not Bob will once again be at that hotel for the Amherst Train Show again this coming January?
Thanks.
Richard


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR Virtual evening - This Saturday!

Tim O'Connor
 


Every Zoom event is worldwide now. Use GMT and then everyone knows the correct time.


On 11/19/2021 7:47 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Bob,

My bad!  What time we're in is the one to use...
Regards,
Bruce



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Bob's Photos at Amherst Train Show in 2022

Eric Hansmann
 

If you bought from Bob in the past, then you might have his business card as he puts one in each bag. Give him a call.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On 11/19/2021 7:55 AM Richard McQuade via groups.io <richardmcquade@...> wrote:


I usually attend the Amherst Train Show and visit Bob's Photos in the hotel across the street from the fairgrounds. Border restrictions due to Covid prohibited going last year. Does anybody know whether or not Bob will once again be at that hotel for the Amherst Train Show again this coming January?
Thanks.
Richard



Bob's Photos at Amherst Train Show in 2022

Richard McQuade
 

I usually attend the Amherst Train Show and visit Bob's Photos in the hotel across the street from the fairgrounds. Border restrictions due to Covid prohibited going last year. Does anybody know whether or not Bob will once again be at that hotel for the Amherst Train Show again this coming January?
Thanks.
Richard


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Auto Parts box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

PRR owned all the special equipment, racks, etc.  They got very upset when people damaged it or tossed it out.


Auto parts box cars were in almost constant rotation, very rarely went “home”, and thus, had pretty awful P&L once they had been in that service awhile.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Parks via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2021 8:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Auto Parts box cars

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:09 AM, George Eichelberger wrote:

They never describe if the railroad or shipper paid for the work, if it was included in a contract, etc

Ike - 

I can't say for certain, but I believe that the railroad would pay for the special equipment (after all, they owned the car), but would recoup the additional cost in the higher rate they could charge, and possibly in higher utilization of these cars.  

That brings up a question that you may be able to answer - Do you know if auto boxcars with special equipment were utilized more than regular boxcars? 

 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: CMO 1658 Series Rebuild Questions

Doug Polinder
 

Yes, an interesting year in the Fraser Canyon.  First a new Canadian record high temperature (was that Lillooet?) and now enough rain to cut the transcontinental mainlines.  Rob, I saw an image of a washout that cut three tracks.  Was that CP or CN?

While Walter Frost took the vast majority of his photos in Vancouver and environs, I see that he traveled some to take pictures.  He has some shots of NP six-axle units that did not get within 100 miles/160 km of the border (probably he took those in Seattle or Tacoma).  Are you aware of other locations he might have taken pictures?  Did he get into the interior to shoot PGE?

Doug Polinder
Whatcom County WA native

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