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Re: Sheet Piling - Gondola Loads

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Nov 27, 2021, at 11:41, Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:

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Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Owen,

Here are the diagram sheets for all of the IC 50 foot SS double door cars including door and a half cars from the 1954 diagram book.


And some photos:

I have used the old Roundhouse car for my IC 50ft Single Sheathed cars.  I hope this information helps.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/26/2021 9:00 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:
Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.
  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?
Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Re: Sheet Piling - Gondola Loads

Guy Wilber
 

Andy wrote:

“I have been searching for a source of HO scale sheet piling pieces, and having found one in Germany that produces a fantastic product, I am ready to create some mill gon loads for my 1952-era layout. One question: How was sheet piling loaded in the transition era? I am planning on 50' lengths of piling in 53' mill gons, and the width of my material allows for two rows/piles/bundles in the car. Having looked at the AAR Open Top Loading Rules book from 1949, I see a few entries for structural steel shapes in gondolas (including Items 53 and 56-a). But having seen many steel shapes loaded loose in gons, I'm wondering what such loads really looked like in practice?”

Andy,

The AAR never published a rule specifically tailored to the shipment of sheet piling within the scope of The STMFC. In fact, there is still not one within the present day Open Top Rules.

The Figures that you mentioned are good choices for securing sheet piling along with 52-A.

The 1949 Rules Book you cite is the second supplement to the 1947 Rules and contains only figures which were revised, or newly added, as of June, 1949. All figures within Supplement 2, as well as those within the 1947 Rules, covering steel products (excluding pipe) would later be incorporated into the first of the AAR’s individual pamphlets (MD-1) effective September 1, 1950. All the figures were renumbered including those which were new and revised. If you need copies I can scan and forward to you. Figure 52-A (revised) became Figure 39, Figure 53 (revised - showing specific General Rules for reference) became Figure 40 and Figure 56-A (revised) became Figure 42.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Red Caboose GATX "Flying A" Tank Car

Wayne Cohen
 

My apologies if this topic has been covered before.  I've used the group search function and have searched the internet at large and I am unable to find the answer.

Is the silver GATX "Flying A" paint job  applied to the Red Caboose 103W tank car based on reality, is it a totlal foobie, or somewhere in between? I think the answer would fall into one of these three categories:

1. Complete fantacy paint scheme
2. Paint scheme existed, but not for this type of car
3. Paint scheme accurate for this car

Thank you for any assistance.

Wayne


Re: a number of freight cars in this 1947 view taken on the Alton

John Barry
 

While just beyond my 1944 modelling era, the line of condemned Alton 17xxx steel underframe DS boxes is relevant for me as the 17000-17998 40' IL , 8' IH 2730 CUFT boxes wer just over half of the Alton's 1943 box car fleet.  Thanks to Eric Hansmann's blog with its pointer to Ray Breyer's profile on the mid 20's Alton fleet I now know that they were rebuilt B-50-2 Harriman standard cars.  The catch is that Ray's profile only shows rebuilds with corrugated Murphy ends while the condemned cars on the deadline clearly show 3-4 indented dreadnaught ends.  Were at least some of these cars rebuilt later with the DN ends, and is there a source of the 8' inverted DN end?  I can use one of the Westerfield kits for the body and underframe, but the ends?  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


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On Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 05:11:26 PM EST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
We see a number of freight cars in this 1947 view taken on the Alton.
 
CMO 40ft ss boxcar
Several ALTON 40ft ds boxcars that might be stencilled CONDEMNED
Tank car KINX 104 (8000 gal nominal capacity)
 
Native resolution image can be seen at the link below
 
 
Metadata at the link below
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Michigan & Kanawha Coal Gone being unloaded

Doug Chapman
 


Ralston Steel Car Company of Columbus built 1,000 of these cars for the Kanawha & Michigan, between July and September 1912. Numbered 7500-8499, these cars were later relettered (NYC) and renumbered (342500-343499) when the New York Central leased the K&M in 1922.

Doug Chapman
Montclair, VA


Re: View of twin hopper TP&W 485 in 1947

Chet
 

Thanks for the information David.  I always thought they were ex-PRR Gla's.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu
 

Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.
  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?
Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Shake n Take 2022

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please excuse the multiple posts.

 

In between the flood of emails for Black Friday, Please let me remind you that we will be announcing the 2022 Shake n Take project on Saturday evening.

 

We can’t hope to replace Greg Martin, but his friends will seek to emulate his enthusiasm and desire to promote Prototype Modeling through creative kitbashing.

 

There will be a formal announcement of the project this tomorrow evening, around 7:00 PM CST with an invitation to respond and be included.

 

Unfortunately, this year there were costs in obtaining some of the parts for the project and we will be asking for a $15 donation (cash or check to be collected at the meet.)  No one will be denied participation due to an inability to contribute, however.

 

Looking forward to January,

Steve Hile


Re: PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

leakinmywaders
 

HO scale can load for a PTSX (Proleride Transportation Systems) recycled steel quad hopper. Aluminum foil tops from canned drinks, mainly Sanpellegrino,  and a few other miscellaneous foil sources sliced with scissors into 2-3" strips, rolled between the thumb and fingers, and mass trimmed to roughly 1/16-inch lengths with scissors.  A good mindless modeling activity while watching TV.   Glued with dilute white glue to a black foam core base, dulled with dustings of dark gray and red oxide chalk, affixed with Dullcote.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Tony Thompson
 

Yeah, funny how the bad estimates were always on the high side.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 26, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Robert Allan via groups.io <robert.allan32@...> wrote:

Looks like this car may have been an overload. The scrap on the ground is an attempt to adjust the weight. Scrap dealers were notoriously bad at judging weight in my field days.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Wisconsin Central “Sawtooth” SS Box Car with Murphy Ends

O Fenton Wells
 

Interesting, Thanks
Fenton

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 1:11 PM Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
Fenton, I've built both. Run them for awhile then sold the Sunshine car. With the 6' door it didn't have the character of the Speedwitch model.
Clark



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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Scott H. Haycock
 

Open-top freight cars can also be overloaded by volume. And , this doesn't look like a scrapyard location; it's way too clean. Notice the house car coupled onto the gon.

I think the scrap on the ground has been shoved off the car to keep it from falling off in a train. 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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On 11/26/2021 12:09 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Hudson,

I would agree. I tend to think that the scrap on the ground is what is left of the pile that was being loaded into the car. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al



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I think a load of tin can scrap would be hard to overload, lots of air space.

-Hudson


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Bruce Smith
 

Hudson,

I would agree. I tend to think that the scrap on the ground is what is left of the pile that was being loaded into the car. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


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I think a load of tin can scrap would be hard to overload, lots of air space.

-Hudson


Re: PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Hudson Leighton
 

I think a load of tin can scrap would be hard to overload, lots of air space.

-Hudson


Re: Wisconsin Central “Sawtooth” SS Box Car with Murphy Ends

Clark Propst
 

Fenton, I've built both. Run them for awhile then sold the Sunshine car. With the 6' door it didn't have the character of the Speedwitch model.
Clark


Re: PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Robert Allan
 

Looks like this car may have been an overload. The scrap on the ground is an attempt to adjust the weight. Scrap dealers were notoriously bad at judging weight in my field days.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: PLE 46145 gon with scrap tin load 1942

Philip Dove
 

Tiny lengths of fat metal rod or slices of the Right gauge of hypodermic needle for tins, then model  oil cans from oblong of strip wood decal led with microscale decals from a gas station set. My HOscale set includes a decal for stacks of Shell gallon oil cans.  When modelling a scrap metal load for a gondola remaber the source of the metal effects the load. Loads from a automobile factory will be mainly scraps of bright steel sheet. Loads from a demolished industrial structure will be girders, ladders, wheels etc. Acarefull y dismantled structure might have scrap girders loaded on a flat car. 


Re: a number of freight cars in this 1947 view taken on the Alton

Ken Vandevoort
 

First thing I thought of when I saw the photo was the clubhouse my cousins and I built on family land next to the Rock Island's Keokuk & Des Moines Division in Pella, Iowa.  We called it Railroad Club and we were out there to wave at all trains.  We even made a flagpole and had our own flag.  I then saw Michael's comment and realized someone else saw the same thing in that photo.  I miss the 50's.

Ken Vandevoort


Michigan & Kanawha Coal Gone being unloaded

 

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/79239

A couple of 50 ton gons apparently being unloaded at the the Columbus State Hospital (aka the Central Ohio Hospital for the Insane). 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio 

6161 - 6180 of 194668