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Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Clark Propst
 

The original CGW car was maroon. Many of their special service cars were maroon. I say many because the LCL and hide cars were black. Now the shade of maroon is up for almost constant debate  ;  )) Kadee has trouble with colored cars. I'll leave it at that. Years back Mike Porter commissioned Intermountain to do three maroon CGW PS 1s including this one of a kind. IM got the color right. After much prodding by Mike. 
Clark Propst


Re: PRR F-41 Underbody

George Eichelberger
 

Which GSC car is this? There are multiple drawings for several in the SRHA archives.

Ike


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

 

Who says this one image shows Thee correct CGW paint scheme? Pretty surr Kadee does a lot of good research on freight car paint colors before making their cars.
Andy Jackson


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Brian Shumaker
 

Are you referring to the color shift?  That slide looks off to me, everything else is too dark as well. I’ve seen other pics of these special cars which appear lighter.  In the eye of the beholder, I guess.
Brian Shumaker


Re: PRR F-41 Underbody

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim & others,

Your reply causes me to wonder if the Walthers kit had brake rigging or at least components on their model.  Alas, I can't check as I sold my last one years ago (later than 1952, which is my modeling date).

Todd Sullivan


Looking for Sunshine Instruction Sheet

bn2204
 

G'Day Everyone,

A friend of mine recently purchased Sunshine Kit 30.10,  which is the B&O P-11 Flatcar. The kit was without instructions, and I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the instructions they would be willing to scan, and forward to me?

Thanks and Best Regards,

Darrall Swift  - LaGrange,  Ohio 
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana, Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa: August-September 1979


Re: PRR F-41 Underbody

Tim O'Connor
 


I suspect it's the same as every other General Steel Castings flat car of that era.

On 11/27/2021 5:45 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
My friend is looking for photo or drawing of a PRR F-41 flat car underside. He has a Tichy Train Group PRR F-41 Flat Car Kit . The kit had no detail needed for underside.  He would like to add the AB brake Rigging under the car. The Kit was made for the Pittsburgh Limited 1996 Mid central region 50th anniversary convention. He has been unable to find any information for the underside on this PRR flat car.
Thank You for your time and effort to help.
Lester Breuer


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Question: When Did Scrap Metal Bailers Come Into General Use?

Tim O'Connor
 

This car also appears to have baled steel cubes, but not automobile-sized bales.

On 11/22/2021 8:53 AM, Matt Smith wrote:
Scrap bailers were around for the war effort. Morris Tick Scrap 1942, served by the IT and later Peoria & Eastern.

http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/30668/rec/30

http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/26737/rec/190

http://idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll62/id/30412/rec/180


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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

 

And how!

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Nov 28, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Looks like Kadee really missed the boat on this model (images attached)


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Kadee CGW box car oops?

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks like Kadee really missed the boat on this model (images attached)


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Ken Adams
 

Thanks Jeff,

As a steam era box car addict, I don't know if I will ever build one of these cars or modify an old MDC Roundhouse kit but I have saved the documentation as it is almost everything I could want. An underfloor drawing is all that would be needed to scratch or bash a model with fairly good accuracy.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Jeff.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Ok that worked. Here are the rest of them:

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/28/2021 1:40 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Damn they compressed again. I printed the sheet from the .pdf and scanned it, saved as a .jpg  I have no idea why it's compressing them. I've never had that problem before.

Let's try this:

On 11/28/2021 12:55 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Sorry, they weren't compressed before  hit send.  Try these:

Jeff Whte

Alma IL

On 11/27/2021 3:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

The car diagrams are compressed horizontally. Please send them uncompressed.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen,

Here are the diagram sheets for all of the IC 50 foot SS double door cars including door and a half cars from the 1954 diagram book.

 

And some photos:

I have used the old Roundhouse car for my IC 50ft Single Sheathed cars.  I hope this information helps.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/26/2021 9:00 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:

Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.

  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?

Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Ok that worked. Here are the rest of them:

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/28/2021 1:40 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Damn they compressed again. I printed the sheet from the .pdf and scanned it, saved as a .jpg  I have no idea why it's compressing them. I've never had that problem before.

Let's try this:

On 11/28/2021 12:55 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Sorry, they weren't compressed before  hit send.  Try these:

Jeff Whte

Alma IL

On 11/27/2021 3:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

The car diagrams are compressed horizontally. Please send them uncompressed.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen,

Here are the diagram sheets for all of the IC 50 foot SS double door cars including door and a half cars from the 1954 diagram book.

 

And some photos:

I have used the old Roundhouse car for my IC 50ft Single Sheathed cars.  I hope this information helps.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/26/2021 9:00 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:

Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.

  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?

Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Damn they compressed again. I printed the sheet from the .pdf and scanned it, saved as a .jpg  I have no idea why it's compressing them. I've never had that problem before.

Let's try this:

On 11/28/2021 12:55 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Sorry, they weren't compressed before  hit send.  Try these:

Jeff Whte

Alma IL

On 11/27/2021 3:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

The car diagrams are compressed horizontally. Please send them uncompressed.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen,

Here are the diagram sheets for all of the IC 50 foot SS double door cars including door and a half cars from the 1954 diagram book.

 

And some photos:

I have used the old Roundhouse car for my IC 50ft Single Sheathed cars.  I hope this information helps.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/26/2021 9:00 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:

Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.

  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?

Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Sorry, they weren't compressed before  hit send.  Try these:

Jeff Whte

Alma IL

On 11/27/2021 3:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

The car diagrams are compressed horizontally. Please send them uncompressed.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen,

Here are the diagram sheets for all of the IC 50 foot SS double door cars including door and a half cars from the 1954 diagram book.

 

And some photos:

I have used the old Roundhouse car for my IC 50ft Single Sheathed cars.  I hope this information helps.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/26/2021 9:00 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:

Hello group,
Beyond a brief mention within this 12 y.o. discussion of using the HO Walthers 50' single sheathed automobile boxcar kit to represent an IC prototype series, I have found little further info searching our archive, or in other groups.io discussion groups. I may have missed something.

  1. How could one bash an IC double-door boxcar using the Walthers kit?
  2. Has anyone a source for a photo or photos of a prototype car?
  3. How about an IC company diagram?

Thank you,
Owen Thorne


Re: Shake n Take 2022

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               For those who aren’t “in the know”, Shake-N-Take occurs during Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL.  More info about Prototype Rails can be found on our website: http://www.prototyperails.com .

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’22

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:04 PM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io; MFCL@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io; shake-n-take@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Shake n Take 2022

 

Please excuse the cross posts.

 

We are pleased to announce the 2022 Shake n Take project to honor the legacy of Greg Martin

 

The next project will be…   (drum roll please)

 

Seaboard Air Line AF-1 Auto-Furniture boxcar

 

 

While outwardly similar to the PRR X31b and c, there were some significant differences which we hope to address in this project.

 

Based on the Bowser HO car, we will have new ends, underframe, ladders, running boards, and details plus custom decals.

 

Due to costs incurred, we will be asking for a $15 donation (cash or check made to Steve Hile) brought to the Horizon Room at the hotel on Saturday, January 8 at 4:00 PM.

 

To sign up to participate, please send an email to me, shile@... to get on the master list.  We have 50 kits and will hold 10 – 15 for in person sign up at the registration desk depending upon responses to this mailing.

 

We are looking forward to continuing the SnT tradition that has been established under Greg’s tutelage.   And we look forward to Prototype Rails 2022.

 

Best Regards,

Steve

 


Re: Red Caboose GATX "Flying A" Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 


Tony Thompson


Ed Bommer wrote:

Unsaid here, "Flying A" was a trademark for Tydol, the Tidewater Oil Company for its gasoline.
"Veedol" was the  trademark name for its motor oil.
As a teen I worked at a Tydol station on Staten Island.
The Tidewater Oil Co's. NY area refinery was near Bayonne N J at the ttime.  
In the past, I think Tidewater Oil also had its own reporting mark and tank cars. 
Much changed with Tidwater Oil after Getty bought the company and renamed it "Getty Oil." 
The "Flying A" logo may have still been in use after that.

Part of this is incorrect, and some garbled. Please consult a researched blog post (of mine):


Tony Thompson


Re: Shake n Take 2022

rwilson1056
 

Sign me up


Shake n Take 2022

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please excuse the cross posts.

 

We are pleased to announce the 2022 Shake n Take project to honor the legacy of Greg Martin

 

The next project will be…   (drum roll please)

 

Seaboard Air Line AF-1 Auto-Furniture boxcar

 

 

While outwardly similar to the PRR X31b and c, there were some significant differences which we hope to address in this project.

 

Based on the Bowser HO car, we will have new ends, underframe, ladders, running boards, and details plus custom decals.

 

Due to costs incurred, we will be asking for a $15 donation (cash or check made to Steve Hile) brought to the Horizon Room at the hotel on Saturday, January 8 at 4:00 PM.

 

To sign up to participate, please send an email to me, shile@... to get on the master list.  We have 50 kits and will hold 10 – 15 for in person sign up at the registration desk depending upon responses to this mailing.

 

We are looking forward to continuing the SnT tradition that has been established under Greg’s tutelage.   And we look forward to Prototype Rails 2022.

 

Best Regards,

Steve

 


Re: OMI GATX 8K insulated tank is too big?

Richard Townsend
 

Ooops. 1946 CBC.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI GATX 8K insulated tank is too big?

Looking at AC&F tank car drawings in the 1947 CBC, insulation is called out as being 4" thick. That adds 8" to the diameter. The steel jacket over the insulation is called out at 1/8" adding a negligible 1/4" to the diameter. The tank ends also are shown as insulated with 4" of cork, adding 8" to the length.

 An uninsulated ICC-103 AC&F tank car of 10K gallon capacity is called out with a tank length of 36'3.5" and a diameter of 87.25". 

Unfortunately there are no dimensions called out for an 8K insulated tank car. 

There is a 6.8K insulated tank with diameter of 70" (plus 8") and a length of 35'1" (plus 8"), and 10.5K insulated tank with a diameter of 85" and a length of 37' plus 8" for both dimensions. So one could assume the dimension of an *K insulated tank would be somewhere in between, which would be comparable to the dimensions of the 10K uninsulated tank.

This is not GATX, of course, but I think it is informative.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI GATX 8K insulated tank is too big?

Hi Phil,

While I don't have diagrams for GATX 10K and8K insulated tank cars to compare, it seems entirely reasonable that there should be some dimensional differences between them, tank diameter and length being the two most obvious.  Insulation and the sheet metal jacket to cover it would add only  2.5-3.0" of additional thickness to the tank. 

Maybe someone with more information will chime in.

Todd Sullivan

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