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MILW Woodchip Gon was Re: MILW Gondola Painting

Jeff Helm
 

Tim

Thanks for posting those woodchip Gon photos.  I’m very curious about the MILW model as I have been trying to find both prototype info and a good model to start with.  Would you have any more information on that car?

I have found one photo showing a MILW wc gon being loaded at a mill in the Grays Harbor, Washington area in the late ‘50s, but it’s an oblique shot from a high angle and doesn’t show much of the Gon detail.
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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Mather Meat Reefer Assistance

Mike Clements
 

John, I have one of these in kit form still. I think this is the part. It looks like one of the drains, since they give you 6 of those you might be able to just substitute one. 


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 06:25 AM, golden1014 wrote:
bell crank, or whatever sort of device was used at the bottom of the brake staff (next to the coupler).  

 
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Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

There were tanneries in several eastern locations.

The Western Maryland Railway served tanneries in Parsons and Elkins. The C&O served a tannery in Frank, WV, at the very end of the Greenbrier branch, just east of Durbin. All three operations were active into the 1970s.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 11/29/2021 3:42 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hide processors were also in New York, specifically, the Endicott Johnson Shoe Company that stretched along the ERIE and DL&W tracks from Binghamton through Johnson City and Endicott (about 6 miles).  The WAG also served large tanneries in Elkland  and Westfield, PA just south of the NY-PA border.

Todd Sullivan



Mather Meat Reefer Assistance

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

I'm building the HO scale Red Caboose model of a Mather meat refrigerator car.  I seem to have lost a part and need to fashion a new one.  Does anyone have a photo of a Mather meat reefer, B end?  Specifically I'm in need of a view of the bell crank, or whatever sort of device was used at the bottom of the brake staff (next to the coupler).  

Thanks for your help!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: Photos of NC&StL 70100-70199 and SP&S 32005-32054 41' Flatcar Ends

Paul Doggett
 

Ken 

Its a good looking build.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 Nov 2021, at 22:15, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

After a lot of frustration with the decal situation for this car, I finally broke down and ordered the Champ set through eBay if only because it has most of the dimensional lettering I really need.  Apparently there was no SP&S reporting marks and number set on the decal.  Also it I understand the Champ set lacks reweigh dates. I have used a K4 SP&S boxcar set for now but this results in an oversize "SP&S". The car number was however the correct size.  The boxcar set lacks number to make up accurate Load Limit and Light Weight numbers and reweigh/repack dates and locations. I tried using lettering pieced together from my fairly extensive SP collection that includes T&NO and a few other older lines with an ampersand in the RR abbreviation but nothing matched the size needed for the flat car sill.  I would love a recommendation for a smaller SP&S RR reporting abbreviation.
<SPS 32018 Decal Problems.jpg>

Note I have modified the car for an AB airbrake upgrade to fit my modeling period.  I am only a semi-prototype modeler as I do not try to replicate all of the piping. I have a narrow Owl Mountain lumber load on hand to add some additional weight to the car. 
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Kenneth Montero
 

Please note that the WAG boxcar still retained, in the upper right corner, the logo of its former owner, the Boston & Maine Railroad.

Ken Montero

On 11/29/2021 5:58 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Nelson yes SS cars were used for hide service. Here are a few photos.


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars


Most of the hide cars I’ve seen modeled were 40 ft. steel boxcars. Was that pretty standard, or were SS boxcars also used?


Nelson Moyer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars


Owen, hides can indeed be heavy. Sometime in the 50s packing plants switched from salting dry hides to soaking hides in a brine solution and shipping them wet. Wet hides are indeed much heavier than dry hides.


As to interchange. Hides came from slaughter houses, ie packing plants. Most of which were located in the Mid-West, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, St Paul, Sioux City, etc. And you will find that many tanneries were located out east, New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Tennessee, etc. A IC hide car would most likely be in captive service. It could be loaded with hides online in Chicago, Dubuque, Waterloo, Fort Dodge, Omaha, Sioux City and other locations. But the raw hides would be headed east, interchanged most likely at Chicago to any of many eastern roads.


Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Kenneth Montero
 

If I recall correctly, WAG (Wellsville, Addison & Galeton) was nicknamed the "Sole Leather Line" because of the tanneries along that railroad.

Here is a link to a short book about the WAG (please note the reservation of copyright notice):


Ken Montero



On 11/29/2021 5:42 PM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hide processors were also in New York, specifically, the Endicott Johnson Shoe Company that stretched along the ERIE and DL&W tracks from Binghamton through Johnson City and Endicott (about 6 miles).  The WAG also served large tanneries in Elkland  and Westfield, PA just south of the NY-PA border.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


and at least one 40' car 😁

On 11/29/2021 8:54 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:

Santa Fe had some SS 50’ hide cars.

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Most of the hide cars I’ve seen modeled were 40 ft. steel boxcars. Was that pretty standard, or were SS boxcars also used?

 

Nelson Moyer



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Tim O'Connor
 


That could definitely be the color, Dennis.

It is indeed extremely dark -- The Kadee version is just wrong.

Tim

On 11/29/2021 8:01 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
One og the Great Western maroons was very, very dark, and likely weathered even darker. Here is caboose 601 recently repainted at IRM, the color matched to the original samples taken from protected places, like the edges of windows and doors. Note the roof is black.

Dennis Storzek

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Tim O'Connor
 

On 11/29/2021 7:54 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
The CGW assigned some 52000 series 50' DD steel box cars to hide service. I don't think these were painted Maroon  ;  )) I do believe the minimal stenciling was yellow/gold These cars are similar to the Soo cars RCW did. Doors were centered with 5/5 Pullman ends 10'6" IH

Clark

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee CGW box car oops?

earlyrail
 

From the Oct 1958 ORER they are listed under note B as "equipped with Compartmentizers"
Total of 15 cars listed, not in any numerical order (rando in series)

Howard Garner


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 7:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Santa Fe had some SS 50’ hide cars.

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Most of the hide cars I’ve seen modeled were 40 ft. steel boxcars. Was that pretty standard, or were SS boxcars also used?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen, hides can indeed be heavy. Sometime in the 50s packing plants switched from salting dry hides to soaking hides in a brine solution and shipping them wet. Wet hides are indeed much heavier than dry hides.

 

As to interchange. Hides came from slaughter houses, ie packing plants. Most of which were located in the Mid-West, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, St Paul, Sioux City, etc. And you will find that many tanneries were located out east, New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Tennessee, etc. A IC hide car would most likely be in captive service. It could be loaded with hides online in Chicago, Dubuque, Waterloo, Fort Dodge, Omaha, Sioux City and other locations. But the raw hides would be headed east, interchanged most likely at Chicago to any of many eastern roads.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

earlyrail
 

Tim,
We have different copies of the same photo.
Mine is definitely a maroon and not the dark color you posted.
I'll scan mine and post tomorrow

Howard Garner


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Santa Fe had some SS 50’ hide cars.

 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Most of the hide cars I’ve seen modeled were 40 ft. steel boxcars. Was that pretty standard, or were SS boxcars also used?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Single-sheathed box cars

 

Owen, hides can indeed be heavy. Sometime in the 50s packing plants switched from salting dry hides to soaking hides in a brine solution and shipping them wet. Wet hides are indeed much heavier than dry hides.

 

As to interchange. Hides came from slaughter houses, ie packing plants. Most of which were located in the Mid-West, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, St Paul, Sioux City, etc. And you will find that many tanneries were located out east, New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Tennessee, etc. A IC hide car would most likely be in captive service. It could be loaded with hides online in Chicago, Dubuque, Waterloo, Fort Dodge, Omaha, Sioux City and other locations. But the raw hides would be headed east, interchanged most likely at Chicago to any of many eastern roads.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Owen,

According to the 1960 IC Equipment list the IC had 34  50 foot SS cars numbered 34866 - 34899 and  5 cars in 34990 - 34999 There were also 51 40 foot Single Sheathed cars numbered between 34900 - 34989 as of 1 January 1960.

 

There were still 253 50 foot single sheath boxcars in service on 1 January 1960. 47 of these cars were in wood chip service and 55 in merchandise service.

Jeff White

Alma IL


On 11/29/2021 3:34 PM, Owen Thorne wrote:   
Thank you, Jeff,

I can almost smell that hide car through my screen! 

Interesting that car IC 34861 in your photo does not match the diagram you sent for the earlier group of 50' s/s IC hide cars, 34990-99, embedded in the diagram for 40000-40089, which indicates "no metal panel," that the left door "closed" but not indicated, noted or shown as having been removed, and a "stemwinder" Universal brake wheel retained at that late date (1954?) As this new photo is of a power-brake equipped, wooden but steel reinforced door car in a new number series for me, I looked it up in ORER 1959 and found 34890-99 the closest series (ten cars) but not a match. So this conversion may have been either after our STMFC period or "off the books."

The CU FT 4303 of the hide car listings matches that of the three IC non-end-door equipped 50' composite autocar groups. Curious is the increase in CAPY from 75000 to 100000 lbs. Is this likely just a truck/bearing upgrade? The earlier discussed 34990-99 matching your diagram also showed this CAPY increase when they appeared in the 1955 ORER. Were hides so heavy?

In the 1959 ORER there is also a group of 74 (up from 68 in 1955) 40' 40t composite 6' door, small boxcars in 34900-34989 series so, IC guys, are all the 34xxx-series cars in the late-steam era hide cars?

Finally, how likely would IC hide cars be interchanged to deliver to a leather works in, say, Wilmington, DE, or Philadelphia, PA?

Thank you,
Owen Thorne 
owen at udel dot edu


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

One og the Great Western maroons was very, very dark, and likely weathered even darker. Here is caboose 601 recently repainted at IRM, the color matched to the original samples taken from protected places, like the edges of windows and doors. Note the roof is black.



Dennis Storzek


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Clark Propst
 

The CGW assigned some 52000 series 50' DD steel box cars to hide service. I don't think these were painted Maroon  ;  )) I do believe the minimal stenciling was yellow/gold These cars are similar to the Soo cars RCW did. Doors were centered with 5/5 Pullman ends 10'6" IH

Clark


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee CGW box car oops?

Brian Termunde
 

Thank you all!


Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Murray, Utah


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee CGW box car oops?

mel perry
 

there was a series of 4 different codes
used at the same time, i found the
translations in google, years ago, and
no, i didn't copy them, i assume that
they are still there, nothing gets erased
from google
🙂
mel perry


Re: Kadee CGW box car oops?

Charles Peck
 

I do not know much about CGW but I do know that some boxcars have worn more than one color
over their lifetime.  Both colors could be correct in different years.
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 7:39 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

The picture I posted -IS- the Dyersville image. You can clearly see a
Rock Island
box car red car coupled to it. No way was the 5464 car red or maroon --
and in
fact, the photo shows a red-maroon patch above the lube stencil.

Tim O'Connor

On 11/29/2021 7:30 PM, earlyrail wrote:
>
> Compartmentalzer and Quick Loader.
>
> I check my copy of the original posted image
> Mine is from a C&NW Historical Society duplicate of a W A Vaugh original.
> Shows a maroon body, much lighter the the post image
> Taken Dyersville, IA 7/61
>
> Howard Garner
>



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





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