Re: 3D Printing Trucks?

Jim Betz

  ... perhaps it is as simple as just using "the reamer" ... ?

3D Printing Trucks?

Jim Betz


  Do you know of anyone doing 3D printed trucks for freight cars that Operate Well?

  Back story - there are several different truck types that have never been done - and 
which are of interest to 'limited' members of the modeling community.  I am certain
that these can be produced using 3D printing.  What I don't know is whether or not
they would operate as well as the typical Delrin trucks.
                                                                                                   - Jim in PNW

Re: Modeling Project: Second Cull Lemon Load In A Gondola

Jim Betz


  It occurs to me that any weathering due to citrus might (would?) be considerably
different from just about any other weathering process we might want to simulate.
  I'm guessing - but don't know - that citrus peel and/or juice would be a 'cleaner'
first but weather to a medium brown.

  I'm also trying to figure out "what color are lemons (or oranges)" when being 
shipped in bulk in open gondolas?  I suspect that a variegated yellow that has
some brown/dark over tones would be more like the prototype than a simple
overall bright yellow?
                                                                              - Jim in the PNW


Tony Thompson

Bill Pardie wrote:

Admitantly I have not seen.many prototype photos of bulk.pil distributors but the few that I have seen do not seem to be fenced in. Certainly times were different back then but what was the norm? Very few would survive today without adequate security.
Like others who have responded, I have collected photos of such facilities in many localities over the years. Only the very most recent ones have fences.

Tony Thompson


Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>

Looking at the photos Bob posted, the arid climate allowed a lot of outdoor storage of drums and other small items that one didn't see in the Midwest.

Dennis Storzek


Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>

Come to think of it, of all the bulk oil dealer facilities I've looked at over the years, I can't think of one that was fenced. Fences only keep honest people honest. With the trucks locked, pumps locked, and warehouse locked, there was not much to steal anyway. Today's proliferation of fences is more about avoiding the potential liability of kids playing on the tanks than theft, I think. Not really a consideration in the fifties and sixties.

Dennis Storzek


Bob Chaparro

A few photos I have collected.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Andy Carlson


I have a sizeable collection of AccuPaints which I will be selling in the next 2 weeks, or so. This is the first offering.

I have a new, in factory case box, 6 pack of AccuPaint Chinese Red paint, AP-10. Offered for $30 which includes shipping to the US.
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-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

T&NO B50-15

Paul Doggett

Thank you to everyone who freely gave advice on this car which is now ready for painting.

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Michael Gross

Thanks to Bill Pardie for that question, and Doug Harding for that reply.  I have a bulk oil distributor to build in rural Kansas, and this is helpful information.
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Douglas Harding

Many in rural small town Iowa are not fenced in or secured in any way. Here are a few photos, including two I took in Emmetsburg IA in 2009


Doug Harding


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Admitantly I have not seen.many prototype photos of bulk.pil distributors but the few that I have seen do not seem to be fenced in.  Certainly  times were different back then but what was the norm? Very few would survive today without adequate security.


Bill Pardie





Admitantly I have not seen.many prototype photos of bulk.pil distributors but the few that I have seen do not seem to be fenced in.  Certainly  times were different back then but what was the norm? Very few would survive today without adequate security.

Bill Pardie

Modeling Project: Second Cull Lemon Load In A Gondola

Bob Chaparro

Modeling Project: Second Cull Lemon Load In A Gondola

An article on prototype gondolas for transporting lemons was posted on the Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group in 2018:

The article kindled my interest in building an HO scale gondola with a cull lemon load. I reported on this project last year:

I followed up that project with a second gondola from Red Caboose/Intermountain. Model photos of the HO scale gondola:

Data, photos and a drawing of this car appeared in the February 1984 issue of Mainline Modeler on Page 54.

I followed the same steps as with the first model, which were to detail and weather the model. Unlike the first model (Accurail), this was an R-T-R model.

I prepared the gondola as usual: Cleaned the truck journals with a reamer, painted the truck frames and faces of the wheels, lubricated the journals with Teflon, sprayed the gondola body with Tamiya TS-80 Flat-Clear and weathered the car body and trucks with various PanPastel media.

The next step was to make a raised styrene base for the load. This base was primed, painted yellow and given a coat of Tamiya TS-80 Flat-Clear.

For lemons I used my original stock of JTT Scenery Products #92124 miniature fruit, which included a packet of lemons. JTT now is owned by Model Rectifier Corporation (MRC), who markets this product as JTT #0592124.

Be advised that these may be the only lemons available in HO scale. Woodland Scenics did not offer scale lemons and neither did Alpine Division Scale Models. Both of these companies no longer offer scale fruit of any kind. In fact, Alpine Division Scale Models no longer is in business.

For lemons your best source is E-Bay for the old JTT stock or MRC.

I coated the base with Pacer Technology's Formula 560 Canopy Glue and sprinkled on some lemons. Adhesion was good. When dry I gave the first layer another coat of Canopy Glue and added more lemons. I added a third coat just for insurance. This produced a good, built-up layer of lemons with no bare spots showing through to the base.

When this was dry, I shook off the excess. The load looked fine so it was placed in the car. Done.

The photo below is the finished model temporarily parked on a siding next to a scratch-built shallow relief model of the Corona Citrus Association Packing House, which still stands. This packing house would not have processed cull lemons so this car is awaiting transfer to the nearby Exchange Lemon Products Plant, which on my railroad probably never will be modeled.

Bob Chaparro


Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

PFE Detail Decals


In the photos that Paul Dogget posted this morning of some of Bob Smaus' great modeling I notice that there is "ON", "OFF" lettering on the fan control box.  Anyone have any idea where this lettering might have come from?

Bill Pardie

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Re: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] "Blaster"


I use a California Air Tools compressor for everything around the house. It’s far more than adequate for airbrushing, and works well for brad nailers, etc. when used at a modest pace. It’s not up to running an air impact wrench, for example. 

Mine is a similar version to the Lowe's link that mshepler posted below (mine has an aluminum tank, but minus details, it otherwise looks to be the same). I couple a 10 gallon passive tank in line with mine to allow some flexibility (portability for filling car tires, for example), longer times between compressor runs in mid-capacity use or more burst capacity for shorter bursts of air-hungry tools.

It’s quiet, but the vibration could potentially bother your neighbors if it’s sitting directly on a floor. Setting it on some vibration isolating material might make that possible issue moot. 

Incidentally, Menards also carries the same model, and I saw what I thought was a larger capacity version in the physical store the other day.

When I bought mine 8 or so years ago, they were only available from the manufacturer and Amazon. Now that you can find them at Lowes (and Menards), you have the option of easily returning it if it doesn’t work out. I’ve been very happy with mine and haven’t missed my 5hp 20 gallon compressor in the least. Would 1.2cfm at 90psi for an air blaster be enough with the extra capacity of a passive tank? I don’t know. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Blaster"

Mac shp

If 60 decibels is ok  for you Lowes and Menard's sell tanked compressors that meet your
needs for a reasonable price.
Lowes offers several 60 db units including

and a
A  56 decb unit



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Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Owen Thorne - owen at

Thanks to Jeff, Mike, Doug, Nelson, Ken, Tim, Steve and others for an informative discussion on hide cars and traffic.
I did not know this where my questions on IC 50' composite autocar modeling would lead us but have learned much and hope to incorporate this traffic in my layout traffic planning. Summing up:
  • Americans consumed great quantities of beef so slaughterhouses generated plenty of raw or green hides.
  • Americans also consumed leather in many forms so leather works needed plenty of tanned hides as raw materials.
  • Removing raw hides from slaughterhouses, often near midwestern stockyards, to tanneries was time-sensitive and thereby lucrative.
  • Green hides were also needed in glue factories (and other industries? Soap?) as were other leftovers from tanning and livestock processes needed.
  • This hide and slaughter-waste traffic was important to shippers so was a potentially lucrative source of revenue the railroads needed to court.
  • Vegetable tanneries were usually located near necessary sources of bark, power, water and/or chemicals, and away from city centers.
  • Chrome tanneries located near sources of chemicals producing soft stretchy leather for clothing and upholstery. Both stank and generated nasty wastes.
  • Tanned leather then needed to be moved from tanneries to factories producing clothing, tack, furniture, belts, accessories or vehicles.
  • Green hides ruined the linings of railroad equipment for any other service so older cars, or those not worth reconditioning, were best suited.
  • Wooden double and single sheathed cars were more likely to be wearing out than newer steel cars would be in the 1940-50's.
  • Steel cars could be used but almost all were wood lined and floored so the same result - good for nothing else afterwards.
  • One wonders, were older stock cars or reefers on their last legs utilized for green hides? Open cars seem counterproductive (the soup factor.)
  • Once in hide service, a house car remained in captive service, returned empty then used and again as such until worn out or wrecked.
  • Tanned hides would not likely travel in green/raw hide cars due to the stink so newer, clean, tight boxcars would be needed for traffic to factories.
  • Even if one does not model a stockyard, slaughterhouse or tannery - or a siding serving one off-stage - one can simulate run-through hide traffic.
  • Stockyards, tanneries and leather works generated additional loads for our STMFcars beyond the scope of this discussion. Maybe a new thread?
Model railroading is fun! Thank you, all,
Owen Thorne

Wisconsin Central “sawtooth” Box Car 135316 Upgrade

Lester Breuer

I have upgraded Sunshine Models Wisconsin Central  (W.C.) “sawtooth”  box car, numbered 135316 built last month.  Upgrade was done after learning these cars had a early “high Power” hand brake with vertical brake shaft ending in a cast sill housing with gears.  And, a paint storage tip.  If you are interested, photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:



Keep Modeling, Keep Sharing,

Lester Breuer


Re: Single-sheathed box cars (ATSF 212483)

Bob Chaparro

The stencil on this car states it is to be returned to Santa Fe Springs, CA. I grew up not far from the Santa Fe depot in at this location. It was a tiny structure surrounded by oil field and citrus groves. I've checked with local folks and no one can recall any large cattle ranching or meat processing facility near this location. Nor was there a cleanout facility at this location. So, the stencil instructions are somewhat of a mystery.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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