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Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Allen Cain
 

I am planning on using the Athearn Mack B cement mixer truck on my 1955 layout.  Now I am not a truck expert but Wikipedia says that these were first produced in 1953 so I am assuming that the body style did not change significantly into 1955.  As for the mixer body itself, close enough for me.

Thoughts?

Thanks for all of the input on the mixing plant suggestions.

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Modeling projects

Eric Hansmann
 

I've shared a progress review covering several HO scale freight car projects in my latest blog post. It's great to have a few models in the decal application stages.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 

The least breakable ones (silicone) are the ones I get now. From Hi-Tech, Tangent, and Moloco.

The others are pretty, but they are also extremely fragile.

On 12/16/2021 5:15 PM, Gene Semon via groups.io wrote:
What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Kenneth Montero
 

Dennis,

Thank you for those observations. Glad to learn more about changes over time.

Ken Montero

On 12/16/2021 6:25 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 07:24 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Walthers has one in stock (https://www.walthers.com/international-r-7600-3-axle-cement-mixer-assembled-white) in their SceneMaster line - too new for your time period, but you may be able to take the mixer off the frame and mount it on a different truck frame.
Two comments, the hydraulically operated "training wheels" weight transfer device seems to have been developed in the late sixties, and since it adds to the total load the truck can carry, the mixing drum is likely too large for an older three axle truck... the drum looks too fat to my eye. This modern prototype is also lacking the characteristic crosswise water tank mounted high just behind the cab.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

Nelson Moyer
 

I used Kadee when I started building plastic freight cars, but they had a short lifespan due to their ridged nature and the small diameter at the bracket. When Hi Tech Details came out with the rubber air hoses, I made them my standard and never looked back. I’ve never had one brake off, and they’re on over 200 freight cars to date. I glue them to Precision Scale air hose brackets with canopy cement.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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I use Kadee-I run the train air pipe out to just past the bracket at the end of the car, then cut the air hose casting at the back of the angle cock. Drill a .020 hole into the angle cock,, attach with rubberized ACC. I admit it can be knocked off, but is easy to replace.
Larry King


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

lrkdbn
 

I use Kadee-I run the train air pipe out to just past the bracket at the end of the car, then cut the air hose casting at the back of the angle cock. Drill a .020 hole into the angle cock,, attach with rubberized ACC. I admit it can be knocked off, but is easy to replace.
Larry King


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 07:24 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Walthers has one in stock (https://www.walthers.com/international-r-7600-3-axle-cement-mixer-assembled-white) in their SceneMaster line - too new for your time period, but you may be able to take the mixer off the frame and mount it on a different truck frame.
Two comments, the hydraulically operated "training wheels" weight transfer device seems to have been developed in the late sixties, and since it adds to the total load the truck can carry, the mixing drum is likely too large for an older three axle truck... the drum looks too fat to my eye. This modern prototype is also lacking the characteristic crosswise water tank mounted high just behind the cab.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

Brian Carlson
 

I currently use Hi-tech rubber ones. But you have to get the older 22” version not the modern version. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Gene Semon via groups.io <mopac1@...> wrote:

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: RealSTMFC] Air hoses for freight cars

Bruce Smith
 

Gene,

HiTech, unequivocally, as they will not break or fall off.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



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What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

hubert mask
 

Hi Tech

Maskislanddecals.com
Hubert Mask


On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Gene Semon via groups.io <mopac1@...> wrote:

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Air hoses for freight cars

Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
 

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Clarence Zink
 

Here are a couple of concrete company websites to look at for ideas:

https://www.matichcorp.com/

https://ozinga.com/

I grew up in Evergreen Park, Ill., original home of the Ozinga concrete company.  They poured the driveway and garage floor for my family in the 1950's, and probably the majority of basements and foundations for any construction back in "the day". 

In the 1950's and '60's, they were located in the wedge of land between the RR tracks (GTW/CN??), 95th street, and Troy Ave.  I walked past there every day in High School.

Coordinates from Google Maps are 41.720448, -87.700255.  Today it is a parking lot.  Back in the 1950's & 60's, they had a rail spur coming off the left main to the southeast of the plant about at about 96th Place & Utica.  I remember seeing hopper cars of coal, and covered hoppers (probably cement), in their yard on occasion.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Northern Pacific Livestock Car 90332 (1907)

David Allen
 

Gary Laakso points out that the CV prototypes were built in three lots between 1930 and 1936; they were 40' cars.

Chris Frissell suggests the Allard herd was disposed of 1906 - 1906. Liggett, in a photo unloading at Wainwright states 1909. I am happy with around 1908. The cars shown in photos were built by the NP in two batches:
90000 - 90999, built 1906
91000 - 91499, built 1907
The series 90000 - 90999 had 4 side posts, the series 91000 - 91499 had 6 side posts. And as seen in the photos. temporary side posts were added. Both series 25 ton capacity 36'5" IL. Combined, they made up about 54% of NP's stock car fleet in 1911.

Stay safe.  Dave Allen


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Guy Wilber
 

Allen wrote:

"I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry.

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern."


The McGraw Hill publication "Construction Methods and Equipment" would be an excellent source of information if you can locate period issues.  Hathi has copies from the 1920s available to view, but later issues are subject to the copyright.  There may be holdings within larger institutions or you may be able to find copies (for sale) on the net.   

My father was a Highway Engineer and subscribed to the magazine which was second only to MR and RMC (for my interests) when it arrived in the mail each month.  The magazine was chock full of advertising from manufacturers of every type of construction equipment as well as comprehensive articles on road, bridge and railroad construction projects complete with photos. 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

  



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Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 

Tim here is the link to the collection where the photo resides https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/griffiths-photos.html

Says Photos are generally of the construction of the Concrete cement plant in the '20s and '30s.

The photo I shared looks like it may be a small cement production facility with a rotary kiln to the far left.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Is the second one a rock crusher? There is a stone quarry here in Sterling MA with a huge crusher
complex that looks like that, plus a large modern wet batch plant. And maybe a tar-gravel mixer too.
I'd love to get inside there and take pictures of it all. Or a drone could do it. 😂

Tim O'Connor

On 12/15/2021 11:35 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a wonderful track side photo https://www.brunswickmdhistory.com/images/c/ce/Concrete_plant_for_the_new_bridge_in_the_railroad_yards_in_the_early_1950s.jpg

 

And another https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/uploads/2/2/3/4/22348866/griffiths001_orig.jpg

 

Doug Harding

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Tim O'Connor
 


Is the second one a rock crusher? There is a stone quarry here in Sterling MA with a huge crusher
complex that looks like that, plus a large modern wet batch plant. And maybe a tar-gravel mixer too.
I'd love to get inside there and take pictures of it all. Or a drone could do it. 😂

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

I've been campaigning for years to have manufacturers produce a high-quality, 1940s-era transit mixer in plastic or resin. It seems like a no-brainer, as nearly every transition-era modeler could use a few (I could use many more than a few. :) ). Same goes for a batch plant kit. That Shapeways transit mixer offering is the only appropriate 40s-era model available (that I've found) that is available and while it is nice, it's not what I'm looking for at that price point. 

Here are a couple nice contemporary models to consider. I've seen them in person at the LHS and they are pretty decent but the price usually is not. They come assembled and with a coat of paint. 

Bachmann Scenescapes Industrial Silo
https://www.trainworld.com/bachmann-35104-industrial-silo-bachmann-35104.html


Bachmann Scenescapes Mixing Hopper
https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4997
https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-SceneScapes-HO-35101-Mixing-Hopper/


Overall, they are nice models and can be combined and kitbashed to make a really nice period scene. One thing to remember is the batch plants of the 40s and 50s often had different shaped bins, towers, hoppers, etc. Some were square/rectangular, trapezoidal, and others were circular. I'd love to see a comprehensive study of the industry during the transition era. Lots to pull out. On the back burner I plan on 3D modeling a transit mixer body common/specific to the locale/era I model, but I've yet to make time to get it done. Would love to get my hands on some plans...


1941, Bethesda, MD. Cropped from a B&ORRHS Image. (Thanks, Brian)

- Ben
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD
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Re: Photo: Northern Pacific Livestock Car 90332 (1907)

Bob Chaparro
 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 01:14 PM, Bruce Hendrick wrote:
Somewhere online I saw an article about modifying the kit regarding its width. 
Correct. The car is too wide but this can be corrected. The first three messages on this link address the issue:
RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io | Search
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 
 


Re: Photo: Carload Of Baseball Bats

Paul Krueger
 

"F" was the code for Dubuque at the time.  

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 

HO mixer body from Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/product/QWQKTHWMM/ho-scale-horizontal-drum-transit-mixer

 

And a more modern Promotex that perhaps could be backdated https://www.truckstophobbies1-87.com/ho-1-87-promotex-5492-cement-mixer-w-trailer-kit-blue-white/

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Here is a wonderful track side photo https://www.brunswickmdhistory.com/images/c/ce/Concrete_plant_for_the_new_bridge_in_the_railroad_yards_in_the_early_1950s.jpg

 

And another https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/uploads/2/2/3/4/22348866/griffiths001_orig.jpg

 

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