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Re: Air hoses for freight cars

Brian Carlson
 

I currently use Hi-tech rubber ones. But you have to get the older 22” version not the modern version. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Gene Semon via groups.io <mopac1@...> wrote:

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: RealSTMFC] Air hoses for freight cars

Bruce Smith
 

Gene,

HiTech, unequivocally, as they will not break or fall off.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



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What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: Air hoses for freight cars

hubert mask
 

Hi Tech

Maskislanddecals.com
Hubert Mask


On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Gene Semon via groups.io <mopac1@...> wrote:

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Air hoses for freight cars

Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
 

What recommendations do you have for air hoses for freight cars in the 50s?  I see they are available from Cal-Scale, DA, Hi-tech, Tangent, Kadee and maybe more.

Thanks,

Gene Semon


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Clarence Zink
 

Here are a couple of concrete company websites to look at for ideas:

https://www.matichcorp.com/

https://ozinga.com/

I grew up in Evergreen Park, Ill., original home of the Ozinga concrete company.  They poured the driveway and garage floor for my family in the 1950's, and probably the majority of basements and foundations for any construction back in "the day". 

In the 1950's and '60's, they were located in the wedge of land between the RR tracks (GTW/CN??), 95th street, and Troy Ave.  I walked past there every day in High School.

Coordinates from Google Maps are 41.720448, -87.700255.  Today it is a parking lot.  Back in the 1950's & 60's, they had a rail spur coming off the left main to the southeast of the plant about at about 96th Place & Utica.  I remember seeing hopper cars of coal, and covered hoppers (probably cement), in their yard on occasion.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Northern Pacific Livestock Car 90332 (1907)

David Allen
 

Gary Laakso points out that the CV prototypes were built in three lots between 1930 and 1936; they were 40' cars.

Chris Frissell suggests the Allard herd was disposed of 1906 - 1906. Liggett, in a photo unloading at Wainwright states 1909. I am happy with around 1908. The cars shown in photos were built by the NP in two batches:
90000 - 90999, built 1906
91000 - 91499, built 1907
The series 90000 - 90999 had 4 side posts, the series 91000 - 91499 had 6 side posts. And as seen in the photos. temporary side posts were added. Both series 25 ton capacity 36'5" IL. Combined, they made up about 54% of NP's stock car fleet in 1911.

Stay safe.  Dave Allen


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Guy Wilber
 

Allen wrote:

"I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry.

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern."


The McGraw Hill publication "Construction Methods and Equipment" would be an excellent source of information if you can locate period issues.  Hathi has copies from the 1920s available to view, but later issues are subject to the copyright.  There may be holdings within larger institutions or you may be able to find copies (for sale) on the net.   

My father was a Highway Engineer and subscribed to the magazine which was second only to MR and RMC (for my interests) when it arrived in the mail each month.  The magazine was chock full of advertising from manufacturers of every type of construction equipment as well as comprehensive articles on road, bridge and railroad construction projects complete with photos. 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

  



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Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 

Tim here is the link to the collection where the photo resides https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/griffiths-photos.html

Says Photos are generally of the construction of the Concrete cement plant in the '20s and '30s.

The photo I shared looks like it may be a small cement production facility with a rotary kiln to the far left.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Is the second one a rock crusher? There is a stone quarry here in Sterling MA with a huge crusher
complex that looks like that, plus a large modern wet batch plant. And maybe a tar-gravel mixer too.
I'd love to get inside there and take pictures of it all. Or a drone could do it. 😂

Tim O'Connor

On 12/15/2021 11:35 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a wonderful track side photo https://www.brunswickmdhistory.com/images/c/ce/Concrete_plant_for_the_new_bridge_in_the_railroad_yards_in_the_early_1950s.jpg

 

And another https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/uploads/2/2/3/4/22348866/griffiths001_orig.jpg

 

Doug Harding

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Tim O'Connor
 


Is the second one a rock crusher? There is a stone quarry here in Sterling MA with a huge crusher
complex that looks like that, plus a large modern wet batch plant. And maybe a tar-gravel mixer too.
I'd love to get inside there and take pictures of it all. Or a drone could do it. 😂

Tim O'Connor


On 12/15/2021 11:35 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

I've been campaigning for years to have manufacturers produce a high-quality, 1940s-era transit mixer in plastic or resin. It seems like a no-brainer, as nearly every transition-era modeler could use a few (I could use many more than a few. :) ). Same goes for a batch plant kit. That Shapeways transit mixer offering is the only appropriate 40s-era model available (that I've found) that is available and while it is nice, it's not what I'm looking for at that price point. 

Here are a couple nice contemporary models to consider. I've seen them in person at the LHS and they are pretty decent but the price usually is not. They come assembled and with a coat of paint. 

Bachmann Scenescapes Industrial Silo
https://www.trainworld.com/bachmann-35104-industrial-silo-bachmann-35104.html


Bachmann Scenescapes Mixing Hopper
https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4997
https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-SceneScapes-HO-35101-Mixing-Hopper/


Overall, they are nice models and can be combined and kitbashed to make a really nice period scene. One thing to remember is the batch plants of the 40s and 50s often had different shaped bins, towers, hoppers, etc. Some were square/rectangular, trapezoidal, and others were circular. I'd love to see a comprehensive study of the industry during the transition era. Lots to pull out. On the back burner I plan on 3D modeling a transit mixer body common/specific to the locale/era I model, but I've yet to make time to get it done. Would love to get my hands on some plans...


1941, Bethesda, MD. Cropped from a B&ORRHS Image. (Thanks, Brian)

- Ben
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD
http://sluggyjunx.com/rr/gb/


Re: Photo: Northern Pacific Livestock Car 90332 (1907)

Bob Chaparro
 

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 01:14 PM, Bruce Hendrick wrote:
Somewhere online I saw an article about modifying the kit regarding its width. 
Correct. The car is too wide but this can be corrected. The first three messages on this link address the issue:
RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io | Search
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 
 


Re: Photo: Carload Of Baseball Bats

Paul Krueger
 

"F" was the code for Dubuque at the time.  

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 

HO mixer body from Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/product/QWQKTHWMM/ho-scale-horizontal-drum-transit-mixer

 

And a more modern Promotex that perhaps could be backdated https://www.truckstophobbies1-87.com/ho-1-87-promotex-5492-cement-mixer-w-trailer-kit-blue-white/

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

Here is a wonderful track side photo https://www.brunswickmdhistory.com/images/c/ce/Concrete_plant_for_the_new_bridge_in_the_railroad_yards_in_the_early_1950s.jpg

 

And another https://www.concreteheritagemuseum.org/uploads/2/2/3/4/22348866/griffiths001_orig.jpg

 


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Kenneth Montero
 

Steve,

Athearn, Boley International, and Life-Like (now owned by Walthers) produced trucks with cement mixer bodies. All are out of production but turn up at train shows, Ebay, etc, as do others.

Walthers has one in stock (https://www.walthers.com/international-r-7600-3-axle-cement-mixer-assembled-white) in their SceneMaster line - too new for your time period, but you may be able to take the mixer off the frame and mount it on a different truck frame.

Sheepscot (now Gandy Dancer Hobbies) has a custom-built model that can be ordered (https://www.gandydancerhobbies.com/product/sheepscot-ih-f230d-redi-mix-concrete-mixer-custom-built/ ) - not cheap at $45.00, but appears to be a custom order item, which may allow you to get lettering and paint that goes with your cement plant. Since they sell some of their truck bodies separately, you may want to ask if they would sell you the cement mixer, which you then mount on a different frame (see below) - I didn't see this body listed separately for sale..

If worse comes to worse (good body on a too-modern truck), remove the cement mixer from one of the out-of-production models) and place it on another truck without a body, such as Classic Metal Works International Harvester R-190 (out of production but often found at train shows, Ebay, etc.) or Wiseman Scale Models (several trucks)(https://wisemanmodelservices.com/HO-Scale-HOn3/HO-SCALE-40-S-MODERN-TRUCKS-AND-TRAILERS )  Please note that most, if not all, such trucks had dual rear axles because of the weight of the equipment plus wet cement.

Ken Montero

On 12/15/2021 8:03 PM Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:


I have been kitbashing the Penny’s Ready-mix for Emporia.

I also need cement mixers that are appropriate for the period.


J. Stephen Sandifer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s


I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern.

These cars need somewhere to go!
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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Steve SANDIFER
 

I did a Google search of “1950 readymix plant” and lots of useful images appeared. The internet is such a great source of information.

Walthers Black Gold Asphalt would be a good plant to use in a kitbash.

https://www.walthers.com/black-gold-asphalt-hot-mix-plant-kit-9-3-4-x-14-1-8-x-10-1-2-quot-24-3-x-35-3-x-26-2cm

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ho-hon3-blaw-knox-concrete-plant-538417560

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

Industrial Model Works, had a Blaw-Knox Cement Plant kit #L-609. This kit has to be from 40 years ago. The list price at the time was $2.95

This looks to be a small, layout sized, plant.

Pete Reinhold

On 12/14/2021 10:29 PM, Allen Cain wrote:

I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry.

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern.

These cars need somewhere to go!
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Douglas Harding
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Reinhold
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 7:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

Industrial Model Works, had a Blaw-Knox Cement Plant kit #L-609. This kit has to be from 40 years ago. The list price at the time was $2.95

This looks to be a small, layout sized, plant.

Pete Reinhold

On 12/14/2021 10:29 PM, Allen Cain wrote:

I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry.

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern.

These cars need somewhere to go!
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Peter Reinhold
 

Industrial Model Works, had a Blaw-Knox Cement Plant kit #L-609. This kit has to be from 40 years ago. The list price at the time was $2.95

This looks to be a small, layout sized, plant.

Pete Reinhold

On 12/14/2021 10:29 PM, Allen Cain wrote:

I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry.

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern.

These cars need somewhere to go!
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have been kitbashing the Penny’s Ready-mix for Emporia.

I also need cement mixers that are appropriate for the period.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

 

I have been searching with no success for a quality HO model of a concrete wet batch plant as a destination for my covered hoppers coming from my Cement Plant and gravel and sand in gondolas and hoppers coming from the quarry

Can anyone direct me to kit (I have looked at the Faller and Pike kits) and also would like to find some photos of these plants as a scratch build is not out of the question.  I also looked at the Walthers Ready Mix kit but it is too modern.

These cars need somewhere to go!
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale

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Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

Blaw-Knox Corp. was a big producer of batch plant equipment during the fifties, someplace I have a couple of photos of one of their plants set up along a spur on the Soo Line in northern Wisconsin that had both a dump pit for sand and aggregate, and an under track auger for unloading cement. Unfortunately, since the move I have no idea where they are.

Google did turn up this; too bad it's so expensive: https://www.ebay.com/itm/312724403026

It sounds like is has drawings of the equipment and suggestions for the arrangement...

Dennis Storzek

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