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Re: A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

Charles Happel
 

Here's a Midwestern one.

Chuck Happel

Don't take life so seriously son, it ain't no how permanent.
Walt Kelly


On Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 05:38:07 PM EST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Out here in California, our steers must have been less brite then the Texas steers. Case in point; many of our cattle guards were simply white painted strips onto pavement. These guards must have required some steer's experience with the real things to make these steers respect these faux crossings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 02:07:49 PM PST, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hi Bill,

I'm working from memory, as well, but I recall that the metal portion of the cattle guard was typically a dirt or rusty color (rust + local dirt color) with the tops of the rails or bars burnished steel color from vehicles going over them.  The triangular side parts are typically wooden, and could be any appropriate color - white to weathered gray.  Those triangular parts tied into the fence lines on either side of the cattle guard.

Todd Sullivan
who lives in far north Dallas and has wandered around rural Texas and Central Oregon in the past


Re: Tichy Single Sheath Boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

The Tichy single-sheathed boxcars follow the USRA designs. Data on all the USRA car assignments can be found here:

Each table has several pages of data. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Gary McMills <santafe@...> wrote:



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Subject: Tichy Single Sheath Boxcars
Date: 2021-12-21 17:13
From: santafe@...
To: [RealSTMFC]@groups.io


Hi All,

A few questions about Tichy' single sheath boxcars.

1. Are they prototype or a foobie?

2.If prototype, where can I find a listing of railroads that used them?

best regards,

Gary McMills - Vicksburg MS


Tichy Single Sheath Boxcars

Gary McMills
 



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Tichy Single Sheath Boxcars
Date: 2021-12-21 17:13
From: santafe@...
To: [RealSTMFC]@groups.io


Hi All,

A few questions about Tichy' single sheath boxcars.

1. Are they prototype or a foobie?

2.If prototype, where can I find a listing of railroads that used them?

best regards,

Gary McMills - Vicksburg MS


A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

Andy Carlson
 

Out here in California, our steers must have been less brite then the Texas steers. Case in point; many of our cattle guards were simply white painted strips onto pavement. These guards must have required some steer's experience with the real things to make these steers respect these faux crossings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 02:07:49 PM PST, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hi Bill,

I'm working from memory, as well, but I recall that the metal portion of the cattle guard was typically a dirt or rusty color (rust + local dirt color) with the tops of the rails or bars burnished steel color from vehicles going over them.  The triangular side parts are typically wooden, and could be any appropriate color - white to weathered gray.  Those triangular parts tied into the fence lines on either side of the cattle guard.

Todd Sullivan
who lives in far north Dallas and has wandered around rural Texas and Central Oregon in the past


Re: A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

Steve SANDIFER
 

Some of this depends on the time frame you model. The “grate” was usually made from rail or pipe, so think rusty metal. The wings were either wood or pipe (Texas drill pipe). Metal stuff was rarely painted.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 3:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

 

 

 

While growing up in Texas I encountered numerous cattle guards which I never really paid attention to.  Recently while picking up a Kadee order I added one of their cattle guards feeling that it would be a nice detail item.  This morning while painting the floors of several projects I decided to apply some wood color to the cattle guard.

 

I am thinking that the wood wings of the cattle guard are anywhere from bare/weathered wood to whitewash.  The grate bring unfinished or black metal.  I find it better to ask up front before being exposed as laughtin stock.

 

Any former cowboys out there who can verify this?

 

Thanks:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Re: A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

I'm working from memory, as well, but I recall that the metal portion of the cattle guard was typically a dirt or rusty color (rust + local dirt color) with the tops of the rails or bars burnished steel color from vehicles going over them.  The triangular side parts are typically wooden, and could be any appropriate color - white to weathered gray.  Those triangular parts tied into the fence lines on either side of the cattle guard.

Todd Sullivan
who lives in far north Dallas and has wandered around rural Texas and Central Oregon in the past


Re: Quality Craft kit question

hubert mask
 

Quick way if your standing in the middle of the freight car and there is no L or R by the door latch look under the car and determine which way the piston on the brake cylinder is pointing   It points to the B end  

Hubert Mask 


On Dec 21, 2021, at 3:52 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:


Bill Pardie asked:

"How does one determine the A and B end on this car?"


Bill,

It has correctly been pointed out that the car was to be stenciled on the "A" and "B" end as per Interchange Rule 14.  An important aspect of designating the B end is contained within the rule (as shown below) for properly recording evidence of repairs.        

Interchange Rule No. 14, paragraph 1:  The end of the car upon which the brake shaft is located shall be known as B end and the opposite end shall be know as A end.  If the car has two brake shafts the owner shall have respective ends, A and B, stenciled on car, on both sides, near each end. 

Paragraph 2:  Facing the B end of car, in their order on the right side of car, wheels, journal boxes and contained parts (excluding box lids) shall be known as R1, R2, R3 and R4, and similarly those on the left side of car shall be known as L1, L2, L3 and L4.  The same order of numbers shall be used for designating corresponding location of brake beams.  In any case where a right or left side is designated on defect, billing repair or joint evidence cards for other parts of cars, the same uniform order of location shall govern.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

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A Simple Question On Cattle Guards

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



While growing up in Texas I encountered numerous cattle guards which I never really paid attention to.  Recently while picking up a Kadee order I added one of their cattle guards feeling that it would be a nice detail item.  This morning while painting the floors of several projects I decided to apply some wood color to the cattle guard.

I am thinking that the wood wings of the cattle guard are anywhere from bare/weathered wood to whitewash.  The grate bring unfinished or black metal.  I find it better to ask up front before being exposed as laughtin stock.

Any former cowboys out there who can verify this?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: Quality Craft kit question

Guy Wilber
 

Bill Pardie asked:

"How does one determine the A and B end on this car?"


Bill,

It has correctly been pointed out that the car was to be stenciled on the "A" and "B" end as per Interchange Rule 14.  An important aspect of designating the B end is contained within the rule (as shown below) for properly recording evidence of repairs.        

Interchange Rule No. 14, paragraph 1:  The end of the car upon which the brake shaft is located shall be known as B end and the opposite end shall be know as A end.  If the car has two brake shafts the owner shall have respective ends, A and B, stenciled on car, on both sides, near each end. 

Paragraph 2:  Facing the B end of car, in their order on the right side of car, wheels, journal boxes and contained parts (excluding box lids) shall be known as R1, R2, R3 and R4, and similarly those on the left side of car shall be known as L1, L2, L3 and L4.  The same order of numbers shall be used for designating corresponding location of brake beams.  In any case where a right or left side is designated on defect, billing repair or joint evidence cards for other parts of cars, the same uniform order of location shall govern.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

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Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Yes, the car may be perfectly symmetrical, or at least without an obvious difference between the ends. 

So, just as you have an issue figuring it out, it is critical that service folks be able figure it out. When there is work to be done on the car, it is critical to refer to one end of the car or the other, as well as to specify which side of the car. Thus, one end is arbitrarily chosen as the "B" end (typically at the design phase, as opposed to in the midst of production) and then it is marked. While it may be stenciled, as on the C&O car (it is often lettered on the END of the car) it may also be cast, or welded onto the car, potentially out of sight.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)
 
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Thanks for reposting the photo Bruce.  I had to go back and look at my car.  At least I included the towing eyes.
.
I still don't understand how to identify the A and B end if they ate not labeled.  Are they not exactly the Same?

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Date: 12/21/21 5:05 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Haha!  Those are paint! There was a question about these many years ago on the list (2008), which appears not to have been answered. They were likely some internal C&O code or marking for some reason. They appear in pairs near the centerline and were either two-color, such as the ones in question or three-color, and were applied to new cars built circa 1940-42 (such as this one, built 2-42).

BTW, when you change the thread, it is useful to include a link to the photo being discussed so that it is easier to find it. Here is the photo in question:

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Ages ago when I was young and naive I treated the bars as supports rfor the trainline.
.
Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...>
Date: 12/20/21 6:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

What are the vertical black & white (?) bars above the “KE” of “Chesapeake” for ?


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Edward
 

And ditto, for indcating which are the right and left sides of a car as well as the number of each axle and journal! 

Ed Bommer 


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:36 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I still don't understand how to identify the A and B end if they ate not labeled.  Are they not exactly the Same?
The rule for identifying the B end is:

1. The end having the hand brake;
2. If both ends have a hand brake, the end the brake cylinder push rod points toward;
3. If multiple brake cylinders, one end will be arbitrarily chosen and marked as the B end.

Knowing which end is the B end is really only important for defect reporting.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SFRD Questions

Bob Chaparro
 

Keith Jordan replied:

“SFRD classes Rr-35, -36, -39, -40, -43, -45, -46 and -48, all had Royal type “F” brake adjusters, according to the car folio.

For slogans, according to the SFRHMS P&L guide update, published in March 1991, Rr-45 9516 had El Capitan in 1948, 9627 had Chief (date unknown), 9679 had Super Chief in 1972, 9766 had Grand Canyon in 1971. What slogan or slogans were assigned to the class is unknown.”

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Railroad Prototype Modelers-Valley Forge 2022

prr282
 

Railroad Prototype Modelers-Valley Forge 2022 is coming up soon, March 25-27, 2022.  The location is the same as in the past, The Desmond Hotel Malvern (PA, about 20 miles west of Philadelphia and convenient to the PA Turnpike and US 202).    Over 50 clinics will be presented, along with a vendors room, models display room, operating sessions, and a home layout tour.

Please visit our web site for full information:  www.rpmvalleyforge.com
There you will find a list of vendors, timetable, hotel information, and a registration form

                                                                     Paul Backenstose
                                                                     Chairman


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks for reposting the photo Bruce.  I had to go back and look at my car.  At least I included the towing eyes.
.
I still don't understand how to identify the A and B end if they ate not labeled.  Are they not exactly the Same?

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Date: 12/21/21 5:05 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Haha!  Those are paint! There was a question about these many years ago on the list (2008), which appears not to have been answered. They were likely some internal C&O code or marking for some reason. They appear in pairs near the centerline and were either two-color, such as the ones in question or three-color, and were applied to new cars built circa 1940-42 (such as this one, built 2-42).

BTW, when you change the thread, it is useful to include a link to the photo being discussed so that it is easier to find it. Here is the photo in question:

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Ages ago when I was young and naive I treated the bars as supports rfor the trainline.
.
Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...>
Date: 12/20/21 6:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

What are the vertical black & white (?) bars above the “KE” of “Chesapeake” for ?


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

Bruce Smith
 

Haha!  Those are paint! There was a question about these many years ago on the list (2008), which appears not to have been answered. They were likely some internal C&O code or marking for some reason. They appear in pairs near the centerline and were either two-color, such as the ones in question or three-color, and were applied to new cars built circa 1940-42 (such as this one, built 2-42).

BTW, when you change the thread, it is useful to include a link to the photo being discussed so that it is easier to find it. Here is the photo in question:

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Ages ago when I was young and naive I treated the bars as supports rfor the trainline.
.
Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...>
Date: 12/20/21 6:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

What are the vertical black & white (?) bars above the “KE” of “Chesapeake” for ?


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ages ago when I was young and naive I treated the bars as supports rfor the trainline.
.
Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...>
Date: 12/20/21 6:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

What are the vertical black & white (?) bars above the “KE” of “Chesapeake” for ?


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Builder's Photo (was Quality Craft kit question)

akerboomk
 

What are the vertical black & white (?) bars above the “KE” of “Chesapeake” for ?


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: NYC / C&O WELL HOLE FLAT CAR

steve_wintner
 

Nice work Bill!


Re: SFRD Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

The only photo of a Rr-45 I have is the one the Vol. 2 of the reefer book, and small lettering isn’t readable.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Tom Casey commented:

If you have a proto photo, there would be stenciling along the lower side to indicate the presence of a slack adjuster.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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