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Re: New book I just wrote as a fundraiser for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society

Charlie Duckworth
 

I should mention there’s some Texas & Pacific, Missouri-Illinois and even the Missouri Southern as I couldn’t resist adding their Brill Model 55. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: SFRD Questions

Jim Gates
 

Rr-48 and 55 were the only fishbelly underframe cars with 6 foot plug doors when the class was created. But many/most of the earlier rebuilds had them added from 1953 on. The Rr-48 class originally had the old open towards the ends hatches, but I believe they were changed. So it is likely the original paint from when an earlier rebuild was shopped to have the plug door added.

Jim Gates

On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 01:32:41 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



This car was painted Texas Chief and it appears to be original paint - Can anyone identify the class?

Tim O'Connor


On 12/23/2021 8:53 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I have a photo of 9241 with the new Chief slogan. I didn’t record the source. I think it’s the Santa Fe reefer book. The reweigh date is WC 47.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Gates via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Does anyone have any photograph showing a Texas Chief slogan prior to 1954?

Jim Gates

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 12:06:58 PM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is my list of RR-45 SFRD slogans

RR-45 road numbers 9370-9869  500 cars

9516  El Capitan
9627  Chief
9679  Super Chief
9766  Grand Canyon
9638  Grand Canyon

Repaints may have the original slogan replaced with what slogan stencil was available in the paint shop.  All slogan stencils were not available at all paint shops from time to time.  New stencils for the Texas Chief (ca 1948), San Francisco Chief (ca 1957) slogans were also used to  replace previous slogans.

John B. Moore, Jr.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Just in time for Christmas, Proto:HO Accumate back in stock

Charles Greene
 

Great news....thanks, Dennis!

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Dave Parker
 

Dennis, you're swerving into semantics IMO.  In a "traditional" metal roof viewed from the outside, you have no idea where the carlines are because they may (and often didn't) have anything to do with the location of the seam-caps.  In the Murphy all-steel roof of ca 1928, there is no question as to where the car-lines are because their "impression" is so obvious.  I dunno, maybe they are "integral" carlines?  I am not aware of any "official" nomenclature on these.

F&C calls them "external" in their their description of the B&M's 72000-series XM-1s, and that has always seemed descriptive enough to me.  YMMV.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 10:03 AM, Dave Parker wrote:
There were both internal and external carlines.  The external ones are the visible "ribs" on cars that had them. 
Care to point to a prototype for this? I'll contend that the cap pieces on Standard Railway Equipment Co. roofs, while nominally structural, are still seam caps, since the also seal out the weather. I agree, "ribs" is an OK term for narrow stiffeners pressed in the panels.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New book I just wrote as a fundraiser for the Missouri Pacific Historical Society

Jerry Michels
 

If you are interested at all in the Missouri Pacific this is a must!  Jerry Michels


Re: Great Northern Covered Hopper 73994

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Lester you continue to inspire.  Thanks for the card.
Have  great holiday.

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...>
Date: 12/23/21 10:01 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Northern Covered Hopper 73994

I have built and upgraded a Bowser Great Northern (GN) covered hopper car, numbered 73994.  My upgrade included adding wire grab irons and ladder rungs, “B” end improvements as retainer valve and line, other piping and decals I made .  If you are interested, photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

 

Keep Modeling, Keep Sharing,

Lester Breuer

 


Prototype Rails 2022 is just around the corner!

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Prototype Rails 2022 in Cocoa Beach, FL will be held on January 6 – 8, 2022.  That’s only a few weeks from now.

               Our website, https://www.prototyperails.com/ , has details about location, cost, and a list of the great clinics you’ll get to attend.

 

               The “elephant in the room” is COVID.  Prototype Rails will follow all Federal, State, and Local requirements and guidelines so that we can safely enjoy discussing “the prototype and how to model it” with our new and old friends.

 

See you at the Beach!

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’22

 


Great Northern Covered Hopper 73994

Lester Breuer
 

I have built and upgraded a Bowser Great Northern (GN) covered hopper car, numbered 73994.  My upgrade included adding wire grab irons and ladder rungs, “B” end improvements as retainer valve and line, other piping and decals I made .  If you are interested, photos and write up are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

 

Keep Modeling, Keep Sharing,

Lester Breuer

 


Re: SFRD Questions

Tim O'Connor
 


This car was painted Texas Chief and it appears to be original paint - Can anyone identify the class?

Tim O'Connor


On 12/23/2021 8:53 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I have a photo of 9241 with the new Chief slogan. I didn’t record the source. I think it’s the Santa Fe reefer book. The reweigh date is WC 47.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Gates via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

Does anyone have any photograph showing a Texas Chief slogan prior to 1954?

Jim Gates

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 12:06:58 PM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is my list of RR-45 SFRD slogans

RR-45 road numbers 9370-9869  500 cars

9516  El Capitan
9627  Chief
9679  Super Chief
9766  Grand Canyon
9638  Grand Canyon

Repaints may have the original slogan replaced with what slogan stencil was available in the paint shop.  All slogan stencils were not available at all paint shops from time to time.  New stencils for the Texas Chief (ca 1948), San Francisco Chief (ca 1957) slogans were also used to  replace previous slogans.

John B. Moore, Jr.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Ribs for stiffening within the roof panels would be an OK term.  Then there are seam caps over the roof panel seams.  I think car lines are generally below the roof proper, supporting it.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 11:52 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

 

I think I’ve seen seam cap and car lines used here. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Dec 23, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:

Thanks to all who responded on- and off-line re radial roofs, both Murphy and Hutchins. For my purposes, I think I'll go with a cut-down Roundhouse 50-foot SS boxcar Murphy roof.

 

I was fully expecting to be thrown into terminology jail for my use of the word "ribs" on the roof. (Can anyone else remember adding stamped "roof ribs" to the wood roof in a Silver Streak kit?) For next time -- what is the correct prototype terminology for a "roof rib"?

 

Thanks,

Bob Chapman 


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Norm Buckhart
 


On Dec 23, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I think I’ve seen seam cap and car lines used here. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 23, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:

Thanks to all who responded on- and off-line re radial roofs, both Murphy and Hutchins. For my purposes, I think I'll go with a cut-down Roundhouse 50-foot SS boxcar Murphy roof.

I was fully expecting to be thrown into terminology jail for my use of the word "ribs" on the roof. (Can anyone else remember adding stamped "roof ribs" to the wood roof in a Silver Streak kit?) For next time -- what is the correct prototype terminology for a "roof rib"?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman 


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Tom Madden
 

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 10:25 AM, Bob Chapman wrote:
(Can anyone else remember adding stamped "roof ribs" to the wood roof in a Silver Streak kit?)
Yes. How many do you need??

Tom Madden
 


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Thanks, Dave – that unconfuses me.

 

Jim

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 10:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

 

There were both internal and external carlines.  The external ones are the visible "ribs" on cars that had them.  As Eric's message implied, those with internal carlines had seam-caps that comprised the "ribs".
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Dave Parker
 

There were both internal and external carlines.  The external ones are the visible "ribs" on cars that had them.  As Eric's message implied, those with internal carlines had seam-caps that comprised the "ribs".
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

I thought that carlines were the internal structure for roof and sides.  But I have no source for that.

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: "Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Eric Hansmann
 

I think I’ve seen seam cap and car lines used here. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 23, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:

Thanks to all who responded on- and off-line re radial roofs, both Murphy and Hutchins. For my purposes, I think I'll go with a cut-down Roundhouse 50-foot SS boxcar Murphy roof.

I was fully expecting to be thrown into terminology jail for my use of the word "ribs" on the roof. (Can anyone else remember adding stamped "roof ribs" to the wood roof in a Silver Streak kit?) For next time -- what is the correct prototype terminology for a "roof rib"?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman 


"Roof Ribs" (was Murphy Radial Roof?)

Bob Chapman
 

Thanks to all who responded on- and off-line re radial roofs, both Murphy and Hutchins. For my purposes, I think I'll go with a cut-down Roundhouse 50-foot SS boxcar Murphy roof.

I was fully expecting to be thrown into terminology jail for my use of the word "ribs" on the roof. (Can anyone else remember adding stamped "roof ribs" to the wood roof in a Silver Streak kit?) For next time -- what is the correct prototype terminology for a "roof rib"?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman 


Re: SFRD Questions

Jim Gates
 

Yes, that says the Texas Chief slogan was added in 1948. But I have not seen any photograph or mention of any specific car with this slogan prior to 1954.

Jim Gates

On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 10:01:53 AM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote:


On p[age 260 in the Refrigerator Car Book has the information on the slogans, years applied, and new slogans added.

Happy Modeling and Merry Christmas

John B. Moore, Jr.
--
okladivjohn@...


Re: SFRD Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

But only through 1944. That leaves out Rr-45 onward.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 10:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Questions

 

On p[age 260 in the Refrigerator Car Book has the information on the slogans, years applied, and new slogans added.

Happy Modeling and Merry Christmas

John B. Moore, Jr.
--
okladivjohn@...

 

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