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Re: Bench Height for Spray Booth

Ken Adams
 

I should set up a better paint booth than the bankers box size cardbox box on my old patio table on the 2nd story veranda (covered deck.)  I have a usual 5-14 mile an hour breeze for ventilation. Have learned to spray between gusts. Looking to add a better wind break and possibly a milk crate to bring the box bottom up to about a 40 inch height which I find comfortable for spray painting. The new cordless spray gun has made spray spraying not so onerous these days. I use acrylic paint exclusively these days as I have to bring the sprayed model indoors immediately to avoid the flying dust and other particles. Lower noxious fume indoor air pollution from the acrylics.  Weathering is done with brushes indoors back at workbench.

When the cardboard box gets to grotty from many spray sessions, I can just replace it. 

I also use a Tamiya rotating paint stand with bits of wire, tape and wood to hold models. I mount things at my workbench and then take them out to the veranda.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Bench Height for Spray Booth

 

A better photo of my paint booth arrangement. The paint booth itself was built to modified Model Railroader plans from the January 1988 issue by my brother who owns a sheet metal fabrication shop.


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni


On 1/7/22, 5:55 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of bpehni@...> wrote:

Sorry, don’t have access to all my photos while here at Cocoa Beach.

Here’s the back side of my paint booth, sitting on top of a rollaway toolbox, which gives me drawers for paint, air brush storage, etc.



Thanks!
Brian Ehni
(Sent from my iPhone)


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

The last run was the second or third run. If Ted chooses to rerun the kit, he needs to correct a major error on the resin parts sheet. Nine underframe parts are missing, two cross bearers, three cross ties, and four bolster halves. I found this error when I started to build the underframe, and I emailed Ted at two different email addresses with no response. Since parts availability looked grim with the kit sold out and an unresponsive seller, I used the parts I have to make a mold and cast the missing parts for both my kits, one of which I sold recently. There’s no excuse for such an oversight, and surely I’m not the first to make this unwelcomed discovery. You shouldn’t have to cast your own parts to build a high priced resin kit. Yes, I’m disgruntled with Speedwitch.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 9:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

And the XM-25-26 series is the first entry in the CB&Q listing on page 557 of the Jan 1943 ORER reprint.  It list the same dimensions for height of running board and extreme height as the folio diagram so thoughtfully provided by Kai.  Now, if only Ted will re-run the kit . . . I missed it on initial issue.

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

 

707-490-9696 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:38:05 AM EST, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

 

 

ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

 

 

Would an ORER overall height help?

 

Rob

 

On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

John Barry
 

And the XM-25-26 series is the first entry in the CB&Q listing on page 557 of the Jan 1943 ORER reprint.  It list the same dimensions for height of running board and extreme height as the folio diagram so thoughtfully provided by Kai.  Now, if only Ted will re-run the kit . . . I missed it on initial issue.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:38:05 AM EST, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Would an ORER overall height help?

Rob

On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
 
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
 
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, it tells you the overall height of the wheel above track level but unless you also know the height of the car, you don’t know the distance between the running board and the wheel. Cars are built to different heights, and brake wheel spacing is different for cars with and without brake steps. The shortest space I’ve seen is 9 in. and the longest space is 15 in. For modeling purposes, I need to know where to cut the brake staff off to mount the brake wheel at the proper distance from the running board.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 11:37 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

I’m not sure I understand the question Nelson.  I’d thought that for a car with horizontal brake wheel above running board, the brake wheel would be the top most item and so the overall height would tell you the height of the wheel.

 

Rob  

 


Needed Speedwitch P125 – 1936-1937 Duryea Cushioned Underframe

John Barry
 

I am conducting a clinic at this summer's Santa Fe convention on how to build the Santa Fe's Duryea underframe box cars and am in need of one of Ted's P125 mini kits for use on a Bx-27 model.  If one of you has one that you could spare, please contact me off-list at  Northbaylines at att dot net.

The clinic will cover the gamut of techniques from simply extending the coupler boxes to replacing the underframes as I did with the Bx-34, subject of the 2020 Shake-n-Take.  The open frame cross bearers of the Bx-26 and 27 prevent the use of the Athearn ice reefer underframe from that project.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 





Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Perfect! Thank you for that car diagram.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kai Solvei
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

Nelson, does this help?

 

Kai Solvei

Norway

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 03:53
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Ray. I didn’t know it listed both heights. Model railroading is lifelong learning.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:38 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Ray Breyer
 

ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Would an ORER overall height help?

Rob

On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
 
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
 
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

ron christensen
 

The picture attached is what I use as a guide. It is for drop-type hand wheels. It shows how high the wheel should be in the raised position.
I could not find any books with an exact measurement.
Generally the wheel is 18 to 19 inches above the running board or the platform. I think of it as the height above anywhere the brakeman has his footing.
This would include flat cars
Ron Christensen


Re: Number two in 22

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

Excellent modelling yet again.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 9 Jan 2022, at 17:10, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

I think this is the last of the title rhymes? Anyway, I usually don't take
pictures on the layout (natural habitat) unless the model in LOR [Lay Out
Ready]. I've been doing a lot of Pan Pastel weathering lately because it
looks good and is fast - "I can weather that car in 10 seconds!" {a play on
I can name that tune for those that live under a rock ;  }   This time I
what to do washes, so wanted a before and after for the hellofit.
This is a standard Sunshine kit with Accurail trucks, Intermountain wheel,
Kadee brake wheel and couplers.
Clark

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Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Kai Solvei
 

Nelson, does this help?

 

Kai Solvei

Norway

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 03:53
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Robert kirkham
 

I’m not sure I understand the question Nelson.  I’d thought that for a car with horizontal brake wheel above running board, the brake wheel would be the top most item and so the overall height would tell you the height of the wheel.

Rob  

On Jan 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Yes, that and the height to the running board are usually given on the car diagram sheet. That’s how I arrived at the XM-17/18 height above running board. Total height alone doesn’t help. Martin gave the information for the SM-21/22/33 in the instructions.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
 
Would an ORER overall height help?
 
Rob
 
On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
 
Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
 
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
 
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
 
 



Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, that and the height to the running board are usually given on the car diagram sheet. That’s how I arrived at the XM-17/18 height above running board. Total height alone doesn’t help. Martin gave the information for the SM-21/22/33 in the instructions.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

Would an ORER overall height help?

 

Rob

 

On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Robert kirkham
 

Would an ORER overall height help?

Rob

On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
 
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
 
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question

Nelson Moyer
 

While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.

 

I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Re: Iron Modeler competition?

Tony Thompson
 

Having served 5 years as a Contest Director for an NMRA region (Pacific Coast) and having been a judge in NMRA national contests, I do know contests and judging. I happen to have been one of the folks who, in 1995, got the NMRA “Prototype” category bumped up from 10 to 25 of the 125 points. This does require prototype documentation be supplied. I judged in a contest in which a Westside Lumber Co. flat car was submitted, and it had no sill steps. That happens to be prototypically correct, but the modeler submitted no documentation, and obviously many judges would not have detailed knowledge of the Westside. Luckily a judge in a different category did know.
As a judge, I have seen voluminous documentation submitted that could easily be a novel. NO JUDGE in real time can possibly even skim huge amounts of material. This shows that the entrant didn’t take the time to distill down the information to what is essential. Of course some entrants hope to amaze and baffle the judges, who would thus not read the material, but give full credit.

I personally believe that contest have their place, but each one has a set of rules, and if you want to do well, you have to understand those rules BEFORE you start building, and build accordingly. Certainly in the pre-1995 days, one often saw in NMRA contests models built with odd construction techniques in order to maximize points. This is easy to laugh at, but it can be the result of any set of rules.

Personally, I really like the RPM approach, where models are displayed and the modeler is nearby to chat with visitors about the model. This is immensely more instructive than a judged contest. In fact, as many know, the partly built, or built but unpainted, model can be far more instructive than a beautifully finished model. And no one runs into a “gotcha” in the rules.


Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Iron Modeler competition - Judging

Tim O'Connor
 


Very nice Rock Island gondola model!


On 1/9/2022 12:59 PM, Edward wrote:

In keeping with this being a steam era freight car group, this is  one of my scratch-built models that was "Best of Show" at an NMRA Regional event in 1997.

Ed Bommer 

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: Iron Modeler competition - Judging

Nelson Moyer
 

When I retired in 2008 and decided to get serious about model railroading after a 28 year laps of activity, a group of guys in the local club were working on MMR, and after checking the requirements and looking at their models, I said, what the heck, I can do that. Two and one half years later I made MMR. That was a crash course to get me up to speed, and I wouldn’t have learned as much as fast under any other circumstances. I moved on from NMRA to RPM and continued learning, this time from some real masters.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Iron Modeler competition - Judging

 

Years back a friend painted and detailed a pair of the then new Athrean SD40-2s and entered them in a contest at a regional NMRA meet. To him they were perfect. Later he overheard a couple guys nitpicking his models and his ego was deflated. He came back with his tail between his legs and told us the story. My only comment to him was "Don't step in the ring if you can't take a hit."

I know NMRA members that like the contest format and working towards the merit awards. They feel it makes them better modelers because working for an award takes them out of their comfort zone and makes them better modelers. 

Personally I see both sides...

Clark

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