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Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

All,
the Southern Car & Foundry tank car is sold out.
The P2k 8000G car has the 1st and 4th straps in the wrong place; they enter the bolster, while they should be at the edges of the car, near the rivet lines.
Also the frame is wrong, the dome valve config too and then there's the lettering.
I wonder if 'my' SCCX cars are 8000 Gallons, the might be 10K.
The Walters RPX car has SHELL lettering but has the same flaws as the P2K car.
The search continues.... (© pics internet)

regards
Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 

Tim,
your prototype picture with the emblem says 11-57 on the car.
My picture of the car in the WP train -with SHELL, no emblem- is taken August 1949.
My wild guess is that the emblem was added in the mid 1950's, when all US rr cars got more colorful and more emblems.
Since I model 1949 strictly, there should be no emblem on my Shell car, just the name.
Wish there was a decal set in HO.
regards, Fred


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Tony Thompson
 

I don't know if the Athearn part can be obtained from Athearn, but look for part no. 15512 for the platform (plastic) and 15513 for the railing (bent steel wire) Others in this group may have that information.

DO NOT USE this part if you have any interest in accuracy or appearance. It is slightly oversize — for S SCALE. Not a candidate, IMO.

Tony Thompson




MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Ken Roth
 

I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Allan Smith
 

Atlas 11K tank cars with platform. Check the Atlas Chemical tank car with platform, it is a nice platform and wiil fit the Kadee car. I transferred one from the Atlas tank to a Kadee tank and like the look. I don't know if it available as a separate part or not. You may find one on Ebay. To see what they look like do an Ebay search for Atlas tank car with platform. I may have a spare but can't look until tomorrow, if interested contact me off list.
 Al Smith
Sonora CA
Smithal9@...


On Monday, January 17, 2022, 01:44:46 PM PST, Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:


Tom,

Yes. This may turn into a small scratch building project. Drawings would be a great help.

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...> wrote:

If I have drawings of the PPCo car, would that help?
Tom Birkett
Bartlesville, OK


 IIOn Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:51 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io
<bill41@...> wrote:
Easy to answer…

First, I was looking for a car that required the least revision to the factory lettering. Using the car I purchased would require only revising the reporting initials and numbers. The plan being to revise the initials and numbers and add a self-printed decal for the lease assignment. Change wheel sets to semi-scale. Change couplers to Sergents. Then lightly weather a bit. OK… I am also a bit lazy. 

Second, it was a senior moment… forgot about the platform requirement. Happens sometimes. More than I am willing to admit.

To all that have responded … a big THANK YOU. I am presently going though the suggestions. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


If you wanted a car with the platform, why didn't you buy a car with the platform? :-\


On 1/17/2022 1:30 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Tim O'Connor
 


No, the Shell corporate emblem was applied in the 1950's or earlier. The proto photo I posted of the Type 21
at Taylor Yard is probably from 1958 plus or minus 1 year.

On 1/17/2022 4:21 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Thanks Tim,
I see Gene's car's air reservoir has been serviced at Oroville, WP!
Beautiful model. Decals probably by Protocraft, wish they were available in HO too.
I guess the Shell logo was added when the car was restored by the Shell guys (in the 1960's?).
Both of the pics I posted do not show the Shell herald, but a company name.
cheers, Fred

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Brian Termunde
 

Fred;
While I am sorry I can't help you, but don't you mean just the WP? There was only the Quincy RR serving Quincy and they only connected directly with the WP.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Murray, Utah

Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR
From: Fred Jansz
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 04:47:28 PST
Hello all,
I'm modeling Quincy, CA in 1949.
Besides lumber being one of the main factors of existence of the QRR, I found 4 oil dealers located in Quincy: Associated, Union, Standard and Shell.
Looking for matching tank cars, I found these two prototype pictures of Shell cars.
SCCX667 was on WP track in 1949, the SCCX673 on GN track.
But I wonder; were these oil cars? Is there a model?
Thanks for your help.
regards, Fred Jansz


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11, 000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Bruce Smith
 

One more possible platform would be Yarmouth YMW-370

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Bill,

Here are some possibilities:
Plano nos. 303 and 305
Atlas no. 8820000141 Safety Rail set

A definite possibility:
Tangent Scale Models (tank dome platform) - no number

This may be a candidate, if modified:
Precision Scale no. 3576
See Tony Thompson's blog on modifying the Athearn part (similar to the PSC part) - http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/05/upgrading-tank-car-dome-platforms.html

I don't know if the Athearn part can be obtained from Athearn, but look for part no. 15512 for the platform (plastic) and 15513 for the railing (bent steel wire) Others in this group may have that information.

Tyco, at one time, had such a part, similar in size to the Athearn part - part. no. 4117.

Ken Montero
On 01/17/2022 1:30 PM Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:


I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Bill Keene
 

Tom,

Yes. This may turn into a small scratch building project. Drawings would be a great help.

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...> wrote:

If I have drawings of the PPCo car, would that help?
Tom Birkett
Bartlesville, OK


 IIOn Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:51 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io
<bill41@...> wrote:
Easy to answer…

First, I was looking for a car that required the least revision to the factory lettering. Using the car I purchased would require only revising the reporting initials and numbers. The plan being to revise the initials and numbers and add a self-printed decal for the lease assignment. Change wheel sets to semi-scale. Change couplers to Sergents. Then lightly weather a bit. OK… I am also a bit lazy. 

Second, it was a senior moment… forgot about the platform requirement. Happens sometimes. More than I am willing to admit.

To all that have responded … a big THANK YOU. I am presently going though the suggestions. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


If you wanted a car with the platform, why didn't you buy a car with the platform? :-\


On 1/17/2022 1:30 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

Thanks Tim and others for your help & advise,
I see Gene's car's air reservoir has been serviced at Oroville, WP!
Beautiful model. Decals probably by Protocraft, wish they were available in HO too.
I guess the Shell logo was added when the WRM car was restored by the Shell guys (in the 1960's?).
Both of the pics I posted do not show the Shell herald, but a company name.
But maybe these are early cars and they later added the Shell herald.
cheers, Fred


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

If I have drawings of the PPCo car, would that help?
Tom Birkett

 IIOn Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:51 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io
<bill41@...> wrote:
Easy to answer…

First, I was looking for a car that required the least revision to the factory lettering. Using the car I purchased would require only revising the reporting initials and numbers. The plan being to revise the initials and numbers and add a self-printed decal for the lease assignment. Change wheel sets to semi-scale. Change couplers to Sergents. Then lightly weather a bit. OK… I am also a bit lazy. 

Second, it was a senior moment… forgot about the platform requirement. Happens sometimes. More than I am willing to admit.

To all that have responded … a big THANK YOU. I am presently going though the suggestions. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


If you wanted a car with the platform, why didn't you buy a car with the platform? :-\


On 1/17/2022 1:30 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SFRD Rr-39 Side View Photo Needed

charles slater
 

Thank You I will add it to my collection.
Charlie

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Rr-39 Side View Photo Needed
 

here's a 1957 overhead view for ya

On 1/16/2022 1:50 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

Thanks, Charlie. Those two photo answer both parts of the question, and they are very good photos to add to the collection. It’s really helpful to get these two relatively high resolution photos. All my SFRD photos are lower resolution, and it’s hard to see details and read small lettering.

 

Nelson Moyer



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SFRD Rr-39 Side View Photo Needed

charles slater
 

You are welcome Nelson
Charlie

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Rr-39 Side View Photo Needed
 

Thanks, Charlie. Those two photo answer both parts of the question, and they are very good photos to add to the collection. It’s really helpful to get these two relatively high resolution photos. All my SFRD photos are lower resolution, and it’s hard to see details and read small lettering.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Nelson here is an Rr-35 7029 and Rr-39 8023 hope this answers your questions.

Charlie Slater MSFM2

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD Rr-39 Side View Photo Needed

 

The RCW SFRD kits have two style fan housings, and without a good side view photo of a Rr-39, I don’t know which one to use. Also, the  Rr-35 has a single step center sill step, while the Rr-40 appears to have a two-step center sill step. Hopefully, one of you will be willing to send a photo showing  the side and the fan housing and center sill step. A cropped photo is fine as long as it shows the fan housing and center sill step.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Bill Keene
 

Easy to answer…

First, I was looking for a car that required the least revision to the factory lettering. Using the car I purchased would require only revising the reporting initials and numbers. The plan being to revise the initials and numbers and add a self-printed decal for the lease assignment. Change wheel sets to semi-scale. Change couplers to Sergents. Then lightly weather a bit. OK… I am also a bit lazy. 

Second, it was a senior moment… forgot about the platform requirement. Happens sometimes. More than I am willing to admit.

To all that have responded … a big THANK YOU. I am presently going though the suggestions. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


If you wanted a car with the platform, why didn't you buy a car with the platform? :-\


On 1/17/2022 1:30 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: TA&G 7006

Todd Horton
 

Thanks Tim for posting that photo !!!

Todd Horton


On Monday, January 17, 2022, 08:20:58 AM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 1/16/2022 8:53 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
I concur on the Santa Fe Bx-40.  See page 163 of the Santa Fe Railway Rolling Stock Reference Series, Volume. 4.

Ron Merrick

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Tim O'Connor
 


If you wanted a car with the platform, why didn't you buy a car with the platform? :-\


On 1/17/2022 1:30 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Kenneth Montero
 

Bill,

Here are some possibilities:
Plano nos. 303 and 305
Atlas no. 8820000141 Safety Rail set

A definite possibility:
Tangent Scale Models (tank dome platform) - no number

This may be a candidate, if modified:
Precision Scale no. 3576
See Tony Thompson's blog on modifying the Athearn part (similar to the PSC part) - http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/05/upgrading-tank-car-dome-platforms.html

I don't know if the Athearn part can be obtained from Athearn, but look for part no. 15512 for the platform (plastic) and 15513 for the railing (bent steel wire) Others in this group may have that information.

Tyco, at one time, had such a part, similar in size to the Athearn part - part. no. 4117.

Ken Montero

On 01/17/2022 1:30 PM Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:


I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA


Re: DT&I 17337

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks  Andy

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 1:51 PM Andy Laurent via groups.io <andy.laurent=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Lake States Historical Association collection John S Ingles photo of DT&I 17337 new on November 21, 1923:
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/John-S-Ingles-Collection/DTI-Company-Files/i-wmfCcdD/A 

tab left and right for images of the other end
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/John-S-Ingles-Collection/DTI-Company-Files/i-Q9vmNws/A 
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/John-S-Ingles-Collection/DTI-Company-Files/i-StSJM6T/A 

Andy L.
Madison WI



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DT&I 17337

Andy Laurent
 


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Pierre Oliver
 

YOu could modify this
http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/Products/YMW-370

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2022-01-17 1:30 p.m., Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:

I recently picked up a Kadee model of their 11,000 gallon 105A pressure tank car to model a car in the SHPX 1800-1941 number series, ACF Lot 3365, as a car leased to Phillips Petroleum Company. I chose the Kadee model based on the fact that it was the plainest paint scheme requiring on the revising the lettering to be accurate. Unfortunately, this model did not have the 6'-6" x 4'-7" platform. Hopefully someone on this list can offer suggestions of a source to obtain a platform. See attached photo. 

I have contacted Kadee and received a reply that they did not sell this part. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA

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