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Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Further: for what it is worth.

I am almost positive that this car has been in lube oil service for a good portion of it career, with an alternate being heavy fuel oil, Number 6 or Bunker C.

It looks just like cars PSPX 11-15 (built 1960) which were part of the Phillips fleet I managed and those cars ran out of our Kansas City, Kansas refinery. After that refinery closed, which was after this list ended some were in Borger solvent service and the rest in contract lube oil service.

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

 

In the "For What it is Worth" department, this photo that Brian Leppert posted, of SCCX (SHELL) 164, is from Bob's Photo (taken by Col. Chet McCoid) and is also found on page 113 of Steam Era Freight Cars Ref. Manual Volume Two: Tank Cars, from Speedwitch Media.  It might be of further interest that this actual car is on display at the Tittusville & Oil Creek RR museum in that operation's namesake village in western Pennsylvania.

 

Regards from nearby Grove City----Mike Schleigh


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Schleigh Mike
 

In the "For What it is Worth" department, this photo that Brian Leppert posted, of SCCX (SHELL) 164, is from Bob's Photo (taken by Col. Chet McCoid) and is also found on page 113 of Steam Era Freight Cars Ref. Manual Volume Two: Tank Cars, from Speedwitch Media.  It might be of further interest that this actual car is on display at the Tittusville & Oil Creek RR museum in that operation's namesake village in western Pennsylvania.

Regards from nearby Grove City----Mike Schleigh


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

brianleppert@att.net
 
Edited

And one more photo.

Tacoma, WA  1955


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

brianleppert@att.net
 

Walthers sold HO decals for a Shell tank car, #1185 with white lettering for our time periods.  Attached are two photos of Shell tank cars

SCCX 1290  Tracy, CA in 1952

SCCX 620  Los Angeles in 1955  built by Pennsylvania Tank Car Co.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

lrkdbn
 

If you follow this back to the source (USC website), there's several other freight car pix as well as a bunch of neat street scenes of early 1930's Los Angeles.
Larry King.


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Brian Termunde
 

Fred;
Thanks for your reply. I really like the Quincy myself.

Take care,

Brian R. Termunde
Murray, UT


 
Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR
From: Fred Jansz
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 04:36:32 PST

Brian,
I model both, but main portion of the layout is Quincy RR yard and part of town.
There were many oil dealers in Quincy back in the day.
Some of them survived up to now.
Even the remains of the old station building are still present and in use (as office I think).
Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 17, 2022, at 14:21, Brian Termunde via groups.io <GCRDS@...> wrote:

Fred;
While I am sorry I can't help you, but don't you mean just the WP? There was only the Quincy RR serving Quincy and they only connected directly with the WP.
... at Quincy Junction, to be pedantic.
--
The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

Photo from the USC Digital Archives

https://digitallibrary.usc.edu/asset-management/2A3BF1OYN63HV?WS=SearchResults

Promotional photo of a Hudson automobile pulling freight cars, taken in 1934.

Photo in link can be enlarged quite a bit.

This Bx-12 car was built in 1930 by the Santa Fe’s shops, location unknown.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Ray Breyer
 

More filler:
In 1936, the Milwaukee rebuilt ONE single sheathed boxcar into an all-steel box, number 594525. That project went nowhere on its own, but proofed the welding techniques used later.

In early 1937, the Milwaukee built two groups of auto boxcars from the ground up. #6000-6499 were 40 foot cars, and 13000-13499 were 50 foot. Both groups were smooth sided.

Finally, in late 1937 the road built cars 13500-13999, the first of the rib sided cars.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 10:30:50 AM CST, Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:


Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Eric Lombard
 

I should add that these are NOT rib side cars. The side sheets are seam-welded providing for a smooth exterior surface and have a side presentation   | | [ | ] | | | |   where the outermost verticles are the end corners and the others are welded seams. The double doors are represented by [ | ]

Eric L

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:30 AM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Eric Lombard
 

Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Ken Roth
 

Good guess Clark.  Actually after posting last night, a friend found a picture of one.  It looks like an early attempt at all welded, but vertical welds with no ribs.  The rest of the car looks like the earliest rib-side class.  Hopefully someone else will offer additional photos and a car diagram.   The picture my friend found was in a Morning Sun MILW color photo book.  Its pretty fuzzy, so can't model from that alone, but my first thought would be to bash the sides for use with an Accurail DD 40' ribside.

Ken Roth


DT&I 1923 ARA boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

I forgot to put the car numbers the general service cars were 18000-18149 and the auto parts cars were 20000-20199.
Fenton


Need help on DT&I 1923 ARA (X 29) boxcar paint

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm building a DT&I 1923 ARA boxcar starting with a Red Caboose X 29.  The cars were numbered I need to know if the roof and ends were painted balck on these cars.  I know on later cars they were.  I'm modelling 1953 so if any DT&I guru knows or has a photo they would share I would be grateful.
Thanks in advance,
Fenton


looking for MDC trucks

Pierre Oliver
 

Good Morning
I'm looking for a pair of MDC/Roundhouse 100 ton trucks with twin clasp brakes.
I'm hoping someone might have a pair they're willing to part with.
Contact me offlist please

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Clark Propst
 

Without looking I'd say these are DD ribside cars. Made my Ribside Cars abd now offered by Accurail.
Hope that's right?
Clark Propst


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 

Brian,
I model both, but main portion of the layout is Quincy RR yard and part of town.
There were many oil dealers in Quincy back in the day.
Some of them survived up to now.
Even the remains of the old station building are still present and in use (as office I think).
Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

All,
the Southern Car & Foundry tank car is sold out.
The P2k 8000G car has the 1st and 4th straps in the wrong place; they enter the bolster, while they should be at the edges of the car, near the rivet lines.
Also the frame is wrong, the dome valve config too and then there's the lettering.
I wonder if 'my' SCCX cars are 8000 Gallons, the might be 10K.
The Walters RPX car has SHELL lettering but has the same flaws as the P2K car.
The search continues.... (© pics internet)

regards
Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 

Tim,
your prototype picture with the emblem says 11-57 on the car.
My picture of the car in the WP train -with SHELL, no emblem- is taken August 1949.
My wild guess is that the emblem was added in the mid 1950's, when all US rr cars got more colorful and more emblems.
Since I model 1949 strictly, there should be no emblem on my Shell car, just the name.
Wish there was a decal set in HO.
regards, Fred


Re: LOOKING FOR PLATFORN FOR A KADEE 11,000 GALLON 105A TANK CAR

Tony Thompson
 

I don't know if the Athearn part can be obtained from Athearn, but look for part no. 15512 for the platform (plastic) and 15513 for the railing (bent steel wire) Others in this group may have that information.

DO NOT USE this part if you have any interest in accuracy or appearance. It is slightly oversize — for S SCALE. Not a candidate, IMO.

Tony Thompson



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