Date   

Ambroid Livesay Poultry Car

Ray Hutchison
 

The poultry cars (and Livesay Company) are an interesting sidelight to early steam period.  I thought that some on the list might be interested in this; it has just been relisted on Ebay because the $139.00 selling price did not meet the reserve!


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bruce has a good point.  Looking at Brian's entire picture allows one to check items that were more closely dated on the right hand side of the tank and on the underframe.  There were requirements for testing pressure for both the tank and the safety valves.  Those stencils are newer and include what appears to be a 1955 date.  I can't read the repack dates on the frame but they are likely similar.

 

That doesn't mean that the Shell symbol wasn't on the car in 1947, but it doesn't prove that it was, either.  :>)

 

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Jan 19, 2022 7:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

 

Fred,
 
Careful with the assumptions. Since this is a tank car, it may not have been reweighed when the logo was painted onto it. Thus the reweight of 6-47 is not an accurate indication of the date of the paint scheme. It is my belief, based on other photos of tank cars, that tank cars were at least occasionally stenciled with an old reweight date (or even the NEW date) when they were repainted.
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Fred Jansz <fjansz56@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 6:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Brian, thank you!
That picture of Shell SCCX620 answers several of my questions: builder, 10K Gallon car (Steve was right).
What surprizes me is the service date of 6-47 AND the presence of a Shell logo.
So Tim was right presuming the logo was added before 1950.
It proves there's a prototype for everything; my 1949 picture of 677 with SHELL in text and this 6-47 car with logo.
regards, Fred Jansz

 


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Bruce Smith
 

Fred,

Careful with the assumptions. Since this is a tank car, it may not have been reweighed when the logo was painted onto it. Thus the reweight of 6-47 is not an accurate indication of the date of the paint scheme. It is my belief, based on other photos of tank cars, that tank cars were at least occasionally stenciled with an old reweight date (or even the NEW date) when they were repainted.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Fred Jansz <fjansz56@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 6:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.
Brian, thank you!
That picture of Shell SCCX620 answers several of my questions: builder, 10K Gallon car (Steve was right).
What surprizes me is the service date of 6-47 AND the presence of a Shell logo.
So Tim was right presuming the logo was added before 1950.
It proves there's a prototype for everything; my 1949 picture of 677 with SHELL in text and this 6-47 car with logo.
regards, Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Fred Jansz
 

Brian, thank you!
That picture of Shell SCCX620 answers several of my questions: builder, 10K Gallon car (Steve was right).
What surprizes me is the service date of 6-47 AND the presence of a Shell logo.
So Tim was right presuming the logo was added before 1950.
It proves there's a prototype for everything; my 1949 picture of 677 with SHELL in text and this 6-47 car with logo.
regards, Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Further: for what it is worth.

I am almost positive that this car has been in lube oil service for a good portion of it career, with an alternate being heavy fuel oil, Number 6 or Bunker C.

It looks just like cars PSPX 11-15 (built 1960) which were part of the Phillips fleet I managed and those cars ran out of our Kansas City, Kansas refinery. After that refinery closed, which was after this list ended some were in Borger solvent service and the rest in contract lube oil service.

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

 

In the "For What it is Worth" department, this photo that Brian Leppert posted, of SCCX (SHELL) 164, is from Bob's Photo (taken by Col. Chet McCoid) and is also found on page 113 of Steam Era Freight Cars Ref. Manual Volume Two: Tank Cars, from Speedwitch Media.  It might be of further interest that this actual car is on display at the Tittusville & Oil Creek RR museum in that operation's namesake village in western Pennsylvania.

 

Regards from nearby Grove City----Mike Schleigh


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Schleigh Mike
 

In the "For What it is Worth" department, this photo that Brian Leppert posted, of SCCX (SHELL) 164, is from Bob's Photo (taken by Col. Chet McCoid) and is also found on page 113 of Steam Era Freight Cars Ref. Manual Volume Two: Tank Cars, from Speedwitch Media.  It might be of further interest that this actual car is on display at the Tittusville & Oil Creek RR museum in that operation's namesake village in western Pennsylvania.

Regards from nearby Grove City----Mike Schleigh


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

brianleppert@att.net
 
Edited

And one more photo.

Tacoma, WA  1955


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

brianleppert@att.net
 

Walthers sold HO decals for a Shell tank car, #1185 with white lettering for our time periods.  Attached are two photos of Shell tank cars

SCCX 1290  Tracy, CA in 1952

SCCX 620  Los Angeles in 1955  built by Pennsylvania Tank Car Co.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

lrkdbn
 

If you follow this back to the source (USC website), there's several other freight car pix as well as a bunch of neat street scenes of early 1930's Los Angeles.
Larry King.


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Brian Termunde
 

Fred;
Thanks for your reply. I really like the Quincy myself.

Take care,

Brian R. Termunde
Murray, UT


 
Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR
From: Fred Jansz
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 04:36:32 PST

Brian,
I model both, but main portion of the layout is Quincy RR yard and part of town.
There were many oil dealers in Quincy back in the day.
Some of them survived up to now.
Even the remains of the old station building are still present and in use (as office I think).
Fred Jansz


Re: Shell tankcar for my Quincy-model-RR

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 17, 2022, at 14:21, Brian Termunde via groups.io <GCRDS@...> wrote:

Fred;
While I am sorry I can't help you, but don't you mean just the WP? There was only the Quincy RR serving Quincy and they only connected directly with the WP.
... at Quincy Junction, to be pedantic.
--
The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 126439 (Bx-12)

Photo from the USC Digital Archives

https://digitallibrary.usc.edu/asset-management/2A3BF1OYN63HV?WS=SearchResults

Promotional photo of a Hudson automobile pulling freight cars, taken in 1934.

Photo in link can be enlarged quite a bit.

This Bx-12 car was built in 1930 by the Santa Fe’s shops, location unknown.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Ray Breyer
 

More filler:
In 1936, the Milwaukee rebuilt ONE single sheathed boxcar into an all-steel box, number 594525. That project went nowhere on its own, but proofed the welding techniques used later.

In early 1937, the Milwaukee built two groups of auto boxcars from the ground up. #6000-6499 were 40 foot cars, and 13000-13499 were 50 foot. Both groups were smooth sided.

Finally, in late 1937 the road built cars 13500-13999, the first of the rib sided cars.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 10:30:50 AM CST, Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:


Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Eric Lombard
 

I should add that these are NOT rib side cars. The side sheets are seam-welded providing for a smooth exterior surface and have a side presentation   | | [ | ] | | | |   where the outermost verticles are the end corners and the others are welded seams. The double doors are represented by [ | ]

Eric L

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:30 AM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Eric Lombard
 

Ken, here is some data that may interest you. The xlsx file of early welded MILW box cars helps put 6000-6499 in perspective. The txt file provides some physical features, demographics and ORER counts and renumbering over the service life of the series.

Hope these are helpful
Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM Ken Roth <krowth3249@...> wrote:
I am looking for info on MILW boxcars in the series 6000-6499.  Car number 6293 appears in a 1950 wheel report in my possession.  1950 ORER lists these as "all steel" 40' double-door cars, but curiously there appear to be only 104 cars left.  Is this perhaps a steel rebuild?  Photos or any other information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Ken Roth


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Ken Roth
 

Good guess Clark.  Actually after posting last night, a friend found a picture of one.  It looks like an early attempt at all welded, but vertical welds with no ribs.  The rest of the car looks like the earliest rib-side class.  Hopefully someone else will offer additional photos and a car diagram.   The picture my friend found was in a Morning Sun MILW color photo book.  Its pretty fuzzy, so can't model from that alone, but my first thought would be to bash the sides for use with an Accurail DD 40' ribside.

Ken Roth


DT&I 1923 ARA boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

I forgot to put the car numbers the general service cars were 18000-18149 and the auto parts cars were 20000-20199.
Fenton


Need help on DT&I 1923 ARA (X 29) boxcar paint

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm building a DT&I 1923 ARA boxcar starting with a Red Caboose X 29.  The cars were numbered I need to know if the roof and ends were painted balck on these cars.  I know on later cars they were.  I'm modelling 1953 so if any DT&I guru knows or has a photo they would share I would be grateful.
Thanks in advance,
Fenton


looking for MDC trucks

Pierre Oliver
 

Good Morning
I'm looking for a pair of MDC/Roundhouse 100 ton trucks with twin clasp brakes.
I'm hoping someone might have a pair they're willing to part with.
Contact me offlist please

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: MILW 6000-6499 Boxcars - Looking for photos and info

Clark Propst
 

Without looking I'd say these are DD ribside cars. Made my Ribside Cars abd now offered by Accurail.
Hope that's right?
Clark Propst

5081 - 5100 of 194745