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Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Looking good, Danny! I like the paint outs for the weigh and repack stencils.

The Zig Zag papers are a great idea. I used pieces of a kraft paper bag and some strip wood to model a few door seal remnants.He paper was thin and smooth, not like the grocery bag paper. The strip wood represented battens used to keep the door seal in place.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 02/11/2022 1:48 AM Danny Rodriguez <d.rodriguez0428@...> wrote:


Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 



Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

 

Excellent job, Danny. Ah yes, good old Zig Zags, great detail tip

Rich Christie


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Paul Doggett
 

They are really great looking cars the weathering or really great.

Paul Doggett 


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

James Brewer
 

Nicely done Danny; great weathering!

ZigZag makes rolling papers...https://zigzag.com/

Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

Jim Brewer


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Great looking cars and finishes.  What did you use for the paper seals around the doors?
Fenton

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:48 AM Danny Rodriguez <d.rodriguez0428@...> wrote:
Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 



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Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, good info.  I didn't know most of that
Thanks
Fenton

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:10 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:
Unless that Ia a Wabash rebuild, that is a USRA 40 ton DS car complete with a fishbelly center sill, and I can see the start of the taper in profile under the car. So, the Accurail floor and underfame would be correct. The spotting feature is the little joggle at the ends of the sides. The USRA DS ends covered the entire width of the car. The Youngstown "kit" increased the inside width by 3" to the then standard 8'-9", so the sides were built with a little 1-1/2" offset to fit the original ends. Roads that rebuilt the USRA SS cars, like the NYC, faced a different problem. Those ends are only as wide as the outside of the sheathing; 7" narrower than the actual width of the car, and 10" narrower than the new width. Youngstown's solution was to provide wide angles to widen the ends. The Tichy kit, based on their SS car, properly models.

As to the height, the USRA cars were 9'-0" IH. The maximum allowable at the time that most the DS cars were rebuilt only allowed increasing that by 1'. You can easily check the width of the end filler in photos if you remember that the Murphy end corrugations are on 6" centers.

 

Dennis Storzek



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Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Danny Rodriguez
 

Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 


Re: M&StL LT 70001 GATC "Dri-Flow" tank car

Douglas Harding
 

Matt here is a photo and diagram of MSTL sand hopper 70003. Roger is not a member of this group, and I don’t think Gene every transferred when the move was made to groups.io

 

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Mihalo
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] M&StL LT 70001 GATC "Dri-Flow" tank car

 

Roger & Gene, do you have any source proving that 70003 came from the Copper Range?  The complete Copper Range roster doesn't show any of their rock cars being sold to the M&STL, all of the steel sided cars except 3 were kept until 1973, and the other 3 were scrapped before then. It looks very much like a Calumet & Hecla, ex Mineral Range AC&F steel sided rock cars built in 1913 and 1916. Calumet & Hecla bought around 100 of these in the 20s, and the Mineral Range kept the other 100.  Would you happen to have a diagram of this car?

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-BW-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-gFszBTC


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

Unless that Ia a Wabash rebuild, that is a USRA 40 ton DS car complete with a fishbelly center sill, and I can see the start of the taper in profile under the car. So, the Accurail floor and underfame would be correct. The spotting feature is the little joggle at the ends of the sides. The USRA DS ends covered the entire width of the car. The Youngstown "kit" increased the inside width by 3" to the then standard 8'-9", so the sides were built with a little 1-1/2" offset to fit the original ends. Roads that rebuilt the USRA SS cars, like the NYC, faced a different problem. Those ends are only as wide as the outside of the sheathing; 7" narrower than the actual width of the car, and 10" narrower than the new width. Youngstown's solution was to provide wide angles to widen the ends. The Tichy kit, based on their SS car, properly models.

As to the height, the USRA cars were 9'-0" IH. The maximum allowable at the time that most the DS cars were rebuilt only allowed increasing that by 1'. You can easily check the width of the end filler in photos if you remember that the Murphy end corrugations are on 6" centers.

 

Dennis Storzek


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

Charlie: thanks anyway.  I'll watch for what else you post on Ebay.  Bob.


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 18:38 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Sorry no I do not have that kit
Charlie

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car
 
Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

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Charlie Slater MSFM2


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Robert kirkham
 

Sure would be good to run a tape measure over a few of the main dimensions - 

- end width, 
- heigh of each end panel
- door width, 
- leng along side panels,
- height of side panels,
- good quality shot of the roof
- hieght of exposed side sill,  
- close up of side supports on side sill

Easy enough to make a very detailed copy.

Rob 

On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:02 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Yep, last summer it was still in the same place.  It's roughly halfway between the MP Salina depot and the UP Union depot, which are all of four or five blocks apart.

The number appears to be 134043, although the last couple of digits are a bit uncertain.

Ron Merrick <P1150784 _2_.JPG>


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

charles slater
 

Sorry no I do not have that kit
Charlie

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car
 
Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:

Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

Sent from Outlook.

Charlie Slater MSFM2


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

mopacfirst
 

This database looks really valuable, and I've already downloaded it.  I'm grateful for all the effort that went into it, and I'm impressed that there were actually so many cars.  The count rivals that of many of the most popular designs of new-build cars from the era,  which actually underlines the fact that I need to really step up my game in building more of these.

Ron Merrick


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

Sent from Outlook.

Charlie Slater MSFM2


Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

charles slater
 

Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

Sent from Outlook.

Charlie Slater MSFM2


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Eric Lombard
 

Ron wrote "...common rebuilt boxcar with 10 panel sides.  ...10' or preferably 10'-6" inside height."
I don't know anything about models: stand in, or out of the box, or starting point. Rather, I would like to share some basic data from my box car database that might be helpful in choosing a target. As of today the database contains 364 series totaling 65,686 exterior-steel-sheathed rebuilds from original single and double wood sheathed cars. This is a work in progress.

Attached is a spreadsheet listing 299 40 ft  series: 191 with single door and 10-panel sides, 60 with single door and 8-panel sides, 31 with double doors and 5 panels to right of doors and 17 with double doors and 4 panels to right of doors. This spreadsheet was exported from the database. You will see that there is a lot of variety in the roofs, ends, doors, etc. Not included are 50 ft cars. 

Some cells in the spreadsheet, for example those in the COMMENT and SERVICE columns, have more data in them than a simple line entry shows. Double click on one of those cells (or any cell) and all the data in the cell will become available for examination. There are some cryptic ciphers in the header and in the text which can be ignored -- mostly to do with documentation of data sources. These are pointers to bibliographic references, photos and plans for each series (as far as has been found to date). That information resides in other tables in the database and is available though not included here. The pointers to those sources are in the form ; 5776, 718; (source, page) in the header, and [5776, 718] in the text.

A note about end types. Any of the standard roof types included may be followed by a character code. Each of the characters refers to a feature present: ) rounded corner; L, square corner; F, a flange on either sided of the end sheets to extend the width of the end so as to accommodate the increased interior width; R, "Reverse" stamping in which the wales are pressed into the plane of the end (in stead of being pressed outward from the plane of the end; D, "dimple(s)" in the stamping positive to the plane of the end. These are additional "wrinkles" on stamping nearest the rivets binding two sheets and may be at both the top and the bottom of the stamping. Yes, I made that term up. Don't like it because dimples should be negative rather than positive features and "dimples" are just to darn cute. I can do a universal change should someone come up with a good descriptive term or better finds the actual name in the technical literature. 

 "dimple" at the bottom of the top stamping and the top of the bottom stamping. Note how they project out of the plane of the end represented by the rivet line. This would be an LRD end.

I hope the information in the spreadsheet is found to informative to you.... and remember it is a work in progress. 

Eric L
Homewood, IL

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 9:34 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I'd be interested in finding an HO version of the common rebuilt boxcar with 10 panel sides.  I know the Tichy plastic kit has 8-panel sides, and it's lower.  I'm trying to think of a source for these, 10' or preferably 10'-6" inside height.  I think the Westerfield T&P 81000 kit might have these, but the one I built is put away right now so I can't check it out.  There were also numerous Sunshine kits configured like this, but I'll probably build all of my remaining ones as the model they were intended to be.

To clarify, I'm thinking of a basic kit that I could modify with new ends etc.  I can supply my own hardware like trucks, grabs etc.  Sort of like the Yarmouth kits for new-built steel cars with modeler-supplied ends and other stuff..

Any other suggestions?

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


Re: M&StL LT 70001 GATC "Dri-Flow" tank car

Matt Mihalo
 

Roger & Gene, do you have any source proving that 70003 came from the Copper Range?  The complete Copper Range roster doesn't show any of their rock cars being sold to the M&STL, all of the steel sided cars except 3 were kept until 1973, and the other 3 were scrapped before then. It looks very much like a Calumet & Hecla, ex Mineral Range AC&F steel sided rock cars built in 1913 and 1916. Calumet & Hecla bought around 100 of these in the 20s, and the Mineral Range kept the other 100.  Would you happen to have a diagram of this car?

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-BW-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-gFszBTC


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

No link in either message….

 

Thanks!

 

Elden

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

 

This cra appears to have some patch panels along the bottom.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

This car appears to have some patch panels along the bottom.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Fabulous car, and even better pic!

 

The weathering is incredible.

 

I love the spliced end.  Those look like the original USRA end panels.

 

Whose was this rebuild?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

 

Yep, last summer it was still in the same place.  It's roughly halfway between the MP Salina depot and the UP Union depot, which are all of four or five blocks apart.

The number appears to be 134043, although the last couple of digits are a bit uncertain.

Ron Merrick

6581 - 6600 of 196861