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Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Jeffrey White
 

That looks great! Could you explain how you used the zig zag paper to model the door seals?

Jeff White Alma IL

On 2/11/2022 2:48 AM, Danny Rodriguez wrote:
Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Jim Betz
 

Danny,

  Excellent work!
                                           - Jim in the PNW


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

Nice cars!  The door seal remnants are something I need to copy!  But in addition, I really like the deteriorated look of the siding along the bottom of the sides.  

Rob


On 2/11/2022 3:48 AM, Danny Rodriguez wrote:
Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 

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Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Dennis - that’s useful guidance.

Rob

On Feb 10, 2022, at 6:10 PM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

Unless that Ia a Wabash rebuild, that is a USRA 40 ton DS car complete with a fishbelly center sill, and I can see the start of the taper in profile under the car. So, the Accurail floor and underfame would be correct. The spotting feature is the little joggle at the ends of the sides. The USRA DS ends covered the entire width of the car. The Youngstown "kit" increased the inside width by 3" to the then standard 8'-9", so the sides were built with a little 1-1/2" offset to fit the original ends. Roads that rebuilt the USRA SS cars, like the NYC, faced a different problem. Those ends are only as wide as the outside of the sheathing; 7" narrower than the actual width of the car, and 10" narrower than the new width. Youngstown's solution was to provide wide angles to widen the ends. The Tichy kit, based on their SS car, properly models.

As to the height, the USRA cars were 9'-0" IH. The maximum allowable at the time that most the DS cars were rebuilt only allowed increasing that by 1'. You can easily check the width of the end filler in photos if you remember that the Murphy end corrugations are on 6" centers.
 
Dennis Storzek


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


cigarette papers! what a great idea! Beautiful job.

On 2/11/2022 3:48 AM, Danny Rodriguez wrote:
Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Danny Rodriguez
 

Thanks everyone for the comments.

Eric, I had the same idea in mind of using strip wood for battens for when I'll add door seal remnants to a future project. I want to try to replicate the look on the NP boxcar in the photo. 


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Looking good, Danny! I like the paint outs for the weigh and repack stencils.

The Zig Zag papers are a great idea. I used pieces of a kraft paper bag and some strip wood to model a few door seal remnants.He paper was thin and smooth, not like the grocery bag paper. The strip wood represented battens used to keep the door seal in place.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 02/11/2022 1:48 AM Danny Rodriguez <d.rodriguez0428@...> wrote:


Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 



Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

 

Excellent job, Danny. Ah yes, good old Zig Zags, great detail tip

Rich Christie


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Paul Doggett
 

They are really great looking cars the weathering or really great.

Paul Doggett 


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

James Brewer
 

Nicely done Danny; great weathering!

ZigZag makes rolling papers...https://zigzag.com/

Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

Jim Brewer


Re: Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Great looking cars and finishes.  What did you use for the paper seals around the doors?
Fenton

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:48 AM Danny Rodriguez <d.rodriguez0428@...> wrote:
Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, good info.  I didn't know most of that
Thanks
Fenton

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:10 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:
Unless that Ia a Wabash rebuild, that is a USRA 40 ton DS car complete with a fishbelly center sill, and I can see the start of the taper in profile under the car. So, the Accurail floor and underfame would be correct. The spotting feature is the little joggle at the ends of the sides. The USRA DS ends covered the entire width of the car. The Youngstown "kit" increased the inside width by 3" to the then standard 8'-9", so the sides were built with a little 1-1/2" offset to fit the original ends. Roads that rebuilt the USRA SS cars, like the NYC, faced a different problem. Those ends are only as wide as the outside of the sheathing; 7" narrower than the actual width of the car, and 10" narrower than the new width. Youngstown's solution was to provide wide angles to widen the ends. The Tichy kit, based on their SS car, properly models.

As to the height, the USRA cars were 9'-0" IH. The maximum allowable at the time that most the DS cars were rebuilt only allowed increasing that by 1'. You can easily check the width of the end filler in photos if you remember that the Murphy end corrugations are on 6" centers.

 

Dennis Storzek



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Weathered Rapido DS boxcars

Danny Rodriguez
 

Recently finished weathering a couple of Rapido DS boxcars using Mig Productions neutral wash, Abteilung 502 oils and Pan Pastels. Zig Zag paper was used to simulate the door seal remnants, a tip shared by Lee Turner. 


Re: M&StL LT 70001 GATC "Dri-Flow" tank car

Douglas Harding
 

Matt here is a photo and diagram of MSTL sand hopper 70003. Roger is not a member of this group, and I don’t think Gene every transferred when the move was made to groups.io

 

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Mihalo
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] M&StL LT 70001 GATC "Dri-Flow" tank car

 

Roger & Gene, do you have any source proving that 70003 came from the Copper Range?  The complete Copper Range roster doesn't show any of their rock cars being sold to the M&STL, all of the steel sided cars except 3 were kept until 1973, and the other 3 were scrapped before then. It looks very much like a Calumet & Hecla, ex Mineral Range AC&F steel sided rock cars built in 1913 and 1916. Calumet & Hecla bought around 100 of these in the 20s, and the Mineral Range kept the other 100.  Would you happen to have a diagram of this car?

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-BW-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-gFszBTC


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

Unless that Ia a Wabash rebuild, that is a USRA 40 ton DS car complete with a fishbelly center sill, and I can see the start of the taper in profile under the car. So, the Accurail floor and underfame would be correct. The spotting feature is the little joggle at the ends of the sides. The USRA DS ends covered the entire width of the car. The Youngstown "kit" increased the inside width by 3" to the then standard 8'-9", so the sides were built with a little 1-1/2" offset to fit the original ends. Roads that rebuilt the USRA SS cars, like the NYC, faced a different problem. Those ends are only as wide as the outside of the sheathing; 7" narrower than the actual width of the car, and 10" narrower than the new width. Youngstown's solution was to provide wide angles to widen the ends. The Tichy kit, based on their SS car, properly models.

As to the height, the USRA cars were 9'-0" IH. The maximum allowable at the time that most the DS cars were rebuilt only allowed increasing that by 1'. You can easily check the width of the end filler in photos if you remember that the Murphy end corrugations are on 6" centers.

 

Dennis Storzek


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

Charlie: thanks anyway.  I'll watch for what else you post on Ebay.  Bob.


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 18:38 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Sorry no I do not have that kit
Charlie

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car
 
Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

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Charlie Slater MSFM2


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

Robert kirkham
 

Sure would be good to run a tape measure over a few of the main dimensions - 

- end width, 
- heigh of each end panel
- door width, 
- leng along side panels,
- height of side panels,
- good quality shot of the roof
- hieght of exposed side sill,  
- close up of side supports on side sill

Easy enough to make a very detailed copy.

Rob 

On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:02 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Yep, last summer it was still in the same place.  It's roughly halfway between the MP Salina depot and the UP Union depot, which are all of four or five blocks apart.

The number appears to be 134043, although the last couple of digits are a bit uncertain.

Ron Merrick <P1150784 _2_.JPG>


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

charles slater
 

Sorry no I do not have that kit
Charlie

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car
 
Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

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Charlie Slater MSFM2


Re: Rebuilt boxcar, Youngstown replacement 10-panel sides

mopacfirst
 

This database looks really valuable, and I've already downloaded it.  I'm grateful for all the effort that went into it, and I'm impressed that there were actually so many cars.  The count rivals that of many of the most popular designs of new-build cars from the era,  which actually underlines the fact that I need to really step up my game in building more of these.

Ron Merrick


Re: Yarmouth Models Works DL&W Auto Car

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

Sir: do you happen to have a Yarmouth kit #114, DT&I postwar AC&F boxcar you would be willing to sell? Sorry, I already have the Lackawanna car. Bob Ellis 


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 17:11 charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:
Gentleman I am also selling off some of my extra rolling stock. I have put this DL&W model up for sale on EBAY item number is 325041937877 if interested

Sent from Outlook.

Charlie Slater MSFM2

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