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Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Feb 17, 2022, at 08:18, maynard stowe <ctsper1947@...> wrote:

Actually it depends on where in the country the sand pit is. The SP hauled lots of sand from Monterey and above Felton
That'd be Zayante and Olympia to be specific

in California in open top goes and hoppers.
--
The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Re: Westerfield PRR X23 etched metal ladders...

 

Yes, the Trout Creek ladders are the old Taurus ladders. They also make an O scale version, although I can't find it on the new web page. If you have questions, you should be able to reach them by email at troutcreekeng@... . I bought some from of the O scale ladders from Clifford Mestel at Trout Creek just a few months ago. and the cost was $12 plus $1 shipping.

Dan Stinson


Re: Westerfield PRR X23 etched metal ladders...

Kenneth Montero
 

Charles,

Taurus Products was taken over by Trout Creek Engineering. Website is hard to find and their former website is defunct, but here it is:

Scroll down the page to the parts section. Look for part no. P2002 (5 rung ladder) or P2012 (4 rung ladder).

I don't know if either is the same as the Taurus Products ladder.

Ken Montero

Note: There is a professional engineering firm that also uses the name Trout Creek Engineering, so caution in seeking the model railroad manufacturer is suggested.

On 02/17/2022 3:53 PM Charles Greene <greenec1144@...> wrote:


Slightly off subject, but not much....

Does anyone know if Taurus Products, which made etched (?) brass caboose ladders, is still in business? I installed a pair of those ladders in place of the caboose kit-supplied ladders.They add much realism to the car since they appear to be true to design and scale. I bought the pair I have decades ago. Only place I've seen them currently is on eBay.

        -Chuck


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Kenneth Montero
 

Red Caboose made an "Ice Service" PFE reefer -kit no. 4114f (PFE orange).

Westerfield made (1) a B&O (ex-FGE, ex-PRR) R-7 Ice Service reefer, kit no. 11664;  (2) an AT&SF BX-3/6 (if insulated for Ice Service)

Ken Montero

On 02/17/2022 3:40 PM Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:


There were many "ice service" refrigerator cars.  I have seen pictures of ART. FGE and PFE cars lettered for this service.  Intermountain produced a model (47739) for a wood FGE car.  I was introduced to this when Mark Vaughan included "ART ICE SERVICE ONLY" lettering on one of his Wabash combination decal sets.  I was told that the (steel) ART cars delivered ice to Wabash (and subsidiary Ann Arbor RR too) company facilities such as depots, freight houses, shops and anywhere else where ice was needed.  I always thought that would make an interesting operation to include on a layout . . .

Craig Wilson


Re: Resin Boxcar Floor warpage correction

 

Great idea, Andy. I will have to dig around my old kitchen stuff I had when I lived in Cali for a skillet. If I try and use one of my wife's, I will be moving into that apartment on your property, LOL!

Rich

On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:59:35 PM CST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Rarely were any of the commercial resin kit's castings heat cured. A heat cured resin casting gains strength, and its memory is solidified. A partial correction of a thicker warped casting may make it even more difficult to straighten with repeated heating. some resins can be reheated and more curing occurring, but for many, this curing is a one-time deal.

I have a very flat-bottomed kitchen skillet. I place it on the range and let it come up to heat. It should be quite warm, but not blisteringly hot. When placing in the casting(s), use your thumb and other finger pads to press down on the casting. A warm solid surface should have the casting fully settled onto the skillet and when softened from the heat, the casting usually will remain totally flattened to the skillet. If you can't feel increasing heat coming up to your thumb through the resin casting, you are not warm enough.

You all do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Undecorated War Emergency Box Cars

charles slater
 

I have found 2 additional Intermountain undecorated war emergency box car kits.  
One Intermountain Kit #41070 with rectangular panel roof. In the box there are decals for NKP, GM&O and Alton asking $25.00 plus shipping
One Intermountain Kit #41071 with a Viking roof. It has CNW "Route of The 400" decals in the box asking $25.00 plus shipping
The decal sets were made for Sunshine Models cars.
Shipping is $8.00 each or we can ship both together for $8.00 also.
Charles Slater



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Resin Boxcar Floor warpage correction

Andy Carlson
 

Rarely were any of the commercial resin kit's castings heat cured. A heat cured resin casting gains strength, and its memory is solidified. A partial correction of a thicker warped casting may make it even more difficult to straighten with repeated heating. some resins can be reheated and more curing occurring, but for many, this curing is a one-time deal.

I have a very flat-bottomed kitchen skillet. I place it on the range and let it come up to heat. It should be quite warm, but not blisteringly hot. When placing in the casting(s), use your thumb and other finger pads to press down on the casting. A warm solid surface should have the casting fully settled onto the skillet and when softened from the heat, the casting usually will remain totally flattened to the skillet. If you can't feel increasing heat coming up to your thumb through the resin casting, you are not warm enough.

You all do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

_._,_._,_


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

mopacfirst
 

I'll comment that the "preheat to 150 F -- TURN OFF -- put part on a flat plate (cookie sheet) for 10 min" is in Sunshine general instructions and it works.  My additional comment is that this works first time on thinner parts like car sides.  Thicker parts, like floors and one-piece molded roofs, probably need at least two of these treatments because each time the part relaxes a little but not completely.  

On occasion, I have used ACC to attach styrene stiffeners behind a boxcar side because the fitup still was not optimal even after this treatment.  Just bear in mind, the combined resin side + styrene stiffener may still exhibit a warp, depending on the relative size and orientation of this part.  You have to watch this technique, because those stiffeners might get in the way of, say, drilling grab irons, or weights that might already have been glued to the floor.  Ask me how I know.

On a related note, I ended up needing to glue large stiffeners to the floors of some Walthers ex-proto boxcars because of floor warping.  Worked, and added a tiny bit of weight.

Another related note -- a brass stiffener is much more stiff than a styrene one, but you run the risk of differential expansion between the brass and the resin.

Ron Merrick


Re: Detail Associates

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....


On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.



On 2/17/2022 2:23 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:

Raymond,

 

They are not closed even though it may seem like it.  After not being available for years, I have recently purchased parts at various hobby shops that are new runs.  They are slowly getting parts back out to the market.  Looking at Walthers, about half of the part numbers are in stock.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Gary McMills
 

Thanks Pierre , I thought I read about that procedure in the past.

Gary McMills


On 2022-02-17 16:38, Pierre Oliver wrote:

straightening warped resin is easy
Very hot water, not quite boiling, immerse the part briefly. remove and lay on a flat surface. let cool. repeat if required

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/17/22 5:31 p.m., Gary McMills wrote:



-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Chuck Cover
 

Hi Gary,

 

I have straightened out warped floors on several kits by preheating the oven to 150 degrees, then turn the oven off.  Place the warped floor on a metal flat pan and slide it in the oven.  Let it sit until cool.  It will usually straighten.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Pierre Oliver
 

straightening warped resin is easy
Very hot water, not quite boiling, immerse the part briefly. remove and lay on a flat surface. let cool. repeat if required

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/17/22 5:31 p.m., Gary McMills wrote:



-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

hubert mask
 

Contact the manufacturer would be best advise. 

Hubert Mask


On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Gary McMills <santafe@...> wrote:





-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


Boxcar Floor warped

Gary McMills
 



-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


Re: Detail Associates

Tim O'Connor
 


DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.



On 2/17/2022 2:23 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:

Raymond,

 

They are not closed even though it may seem like it.  After not being available for years, I have recently purchased parts at various hobby shops that are new runs.  They are slowly getting parts back out to the market.  Looking at Walthers, about half of the part numbers are in stock.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Westerfield PRR X23 etched metal ladders...

Charles Greene
 

Slightly off subject, but not much....

Does anyone know if Taurus Products, which made etched (?) brass caboose ladders, is still in business? I installed a pair of those ladders in place of the caboose kit-supplied ladders.They add much realism to the car since they appear to be true to design and scale. I bought the pair I have decades ago. Only place I've seen them currently is on eBay.

        -Chuck


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Craig Wilson
 

There were many "ice service" refrigerator cars.  I have seen pictures of ART. FGE and PFE cars lettered for this service.  Intermountain produced a model (47739) for a wood FGE car.  I was introduced to this when Mark Vaughan included "ART ICE SERVICE ONLY" lettering on one of his Wabash combination decal sets.  I was told that the (steel) ART cars delivered ice to Wabash (and subsidiary Ann Arbor RR too) company facilities such as depots, freight houses, shops and anywhere else where ice was needed.  I always thought that would make an interesting operation to include on a layout . . .

Craig Wilson


Re: Detail Associates

Mark Rossiter
 

The last time I was in Full Steam Ahead hobby shop in Altoona PA, (2 years ago) they had a 4 drawer file cabinet full of detail parts, including Detail Associates.  

Mark Rossiter


Re: Detail Associates

Richard Remiarz
 

Raymond,

 

They are not closed even though it may seem like it.  After not being available for years, I have recently purchased parts at various hobby shops that are new runs.  They are slowly getting parts back out to the market.  Looking at Walthers, about half of the part numbers are in stock.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Raymond Stern
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Detail Associates

 

Does anybody know for sure whether Detail Associates is closed and dead
as an HO scale detail parts source? I notice that I have some of their freight
car and diesel parts on back order with Walthers since 2016, 2017, 2019, and
2020. It could just be Walthers, who appears to be inching their way out of the
low price, low volume detail parts business.

Raymond

 


Re: Detail Associates

Pierre Oliver
 

At the risk of spreading disinformation, I believe that the company is done. The remaining owner seems reluctant to admit it.
I've been trying for years to get a response with zero success

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/17/22 2:14 p.m., Raymond Stern wrote:

Does anybody know for sure whether Detail Associates is closed and dead
as an HO scale detail parts source? I notice that I have some of their freight
car and diesel parts on back order with Walthers since 2016, 2017, 2019, and
2020. It could just be Walthers, who appears to be inching their way out of the
low price, low volume detail parts business.

Raymond

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