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Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Jeffrey White
 

Here is an IC ice service reefer:


Jeff White Alma IL


Re: Mobile Icing On The Santa Fe

Clarence Zink
 

Thanks Tony!  That makes sense.

CRZ


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 11, No. 1, February, 2022

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modelers:

 
WESTERFIELD MODELS is pleased to announce the release of our newest Kit Series:


#13200 Series Kits:  1921 ARA 40 Foot Single Sheathed Boxcars built for C&NW Ry and its subsidiary, the CStPM&O RR (CMO).


These Kits are available now to order through our website (westerfieldmodels.com), by phone, mail in order or email order.


Our newest HO release is our #13200 Series Kits: 1921 ARA 40 Foot Single Sheathed Boxcars built for C&NW Ry and its subsidiary, the CStPM&O RR (CMO).  These cars were built by several different builders, in 1923, 1925 and 1927 versions, with 6,630 cars built.  These cars, due to their eight panel sides with diagonal bracing, at first appear to be copies of the USRA SS boxcars, but they are later, much improved cars and have slightly lower roofs than the USRA SS cars.
The 1923 production version of the car came with a Hutchins Dry Lading roof, Murphy 7/8 corrugated end, metal reinforced wood side door, wood running boards, Carmer uncoupling lever, vertical hand brake staff and Westinghouse K brakes.  3295 cars were built for C&NW.
The 1925 production version of the car was mostly the same but came with National top operating uncoupling levers and Ureco High Powered hand brakes which used an enclosed gear box at the base of the brake staff.  The C&NW received 1000 cars.
The 1927 production version of the car was improved over the previous years.  These cars came with a Chicago-Cleveland Viking Roof, Union Metal 4/4 Dreadnaught end, Youngstown top mounted corrugated steel side door, wood running boards, top mounted uncoupling levers and Ajax Power Hand Brakes with Westinghouse K brakes.  The C&NW received 1835 cars and the CMO 500 cars.
Our Kits cover all variations and lettering styles for the life of these cars.
See also our other C&NW & CMO Kits in our #3300, #3800 and #4400 Series Kits.

Our unpainted HO Kits include detail parts appropriate for the 1923, 1925 and 1927 Versions, including the following details:
Improved Cast Urethane One-Piece Body Construction with Fine Details.
Urethane Castings of detail parts, including many car specific parts and the Ureco Hand Brake Gearbox.
Detailed Hi-Tech real rubber air hoses.
Yarmouth Etched Bronze Corner Steps and Eyebolts.
Proprietary Decals covering all versions of the car.
Detailed Step by Step Instructions and History Sheets with assembly and finished model photographs.
Recommended Trucks:   1923 Version:  Tahoe TMW-212
                                            1925 Version:  Tahoe TMW-214
                                            1927 Version:  Tahoe TMW-202, TMW-203 OR TMW-212 (See History)
Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Couplers are available separately or with Kit (See below).

They are available direct from Westerfield Models for $ 47.00 each plus shipping.  Most of our Kits do not include trucks or couplers.  We do offer Tahoe Trucks and Kadee Couplers for this Series of Kit and separately for our other Kits.  See the Kit versions listed below for more information and Operating Eras.   Kits-assembly required.  For ages 18 and up.
Operating Era:  1923 Production:  1923 - 1972
Operating Era:  1925 Production:  1925 - 1973
Operating Era:  1927 Production:  1927 - 1973


The New #13200 Series Kits are on our Secure Model Store:  https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=262


All of our Kits are available on our secure website: westerfieldmodels.com


AVAILABLE NOW.
KIT NUMBER:
13201   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1923/1925 Production, Hutchins Roof, Murphy 7/8 End, Wood Side Door, K Brakes, Original, C&NW                        $47
13202   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1927 Production, Viking Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End, Youngstown Metal Side Door, K Brakes, Original, C&NW        $47
13203   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1927 Production, Viking Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End. Youngstown Metal Side Door, K Brakes, Original, CMO           $47
13251   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1923/1925 Production, Hutchins Roof, Murphy 7/8 End, Wood Side Door, AB Brakes, Modern, C&NW                     $47
13252   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1927 Production, Viking Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End, Youngstown Metal Side Door, AB Brakes, Modern, C&NW     $47
13253   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1927 Production, Viking Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End, Youngstown Metal Side Door, AB Brakes, Modern, CMO        $47
13281   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1923/25/27 Production, Specify Kit Number & Tahoe Truck with Code 110 wheels                                                        $54
13282   1921 ARA 40 Ft SS Boxcar, 1923/25/27 Production, Specify Kit Number & Tahoe Truck with Code 88 Wheels                                                         $54

Short videos of our new Kits in finished form are on our Youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRdohGwh6ms9dGqAyKNRm3Q/videos

All above kits available from:
WESTERFIELD MODELS LLC, 1964 LACEY COURT, GARDNERVILLE, NV 89410
EMAIL:       westerfieldmodels @gmail.com
PHONE :     303-658-9343


Please Note:  Shipping is not included.
 

Westerfield Kits include new HO scale unpainted highly detailed urethane castings, and are complete with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets
and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car.   Trucks and couplers are not included but are available - See below.

Please also see our Ready To Ship Kits List on our website main page, left side: 
 
Westerfield Models will be releasing some new Kits soon.  
We are working on rebuilding the #11000 N&W Battleship gondola patterns now.
Make sure you are signed up for our e-newsletter to receive the upcoming news.

We are pleased to announce that TAHOE MODEL WORKS Trucks and Kadee Trucks and Couplers are now available through Westerfield Models.  
Tahoe Trucks are now listed on our Website Secure Model Store under "Tahoe Model Works Trucks".   All fifteen of the Tahoe Truck types are available with any of three wheelset types:  
Frame only, RP-25 Wheelsets (Code 110), or Semi-Scale Wheelsets (Code 88).  
We also have a "Tahoe Trucks Listing" page on our Main website page that provides information on each type of truck and, in some cases a user list for that truck.
Kadee Trucks and Couplers are available on our Website Secure Model Store under "Add-On Trucks and Couplers for Kits".  Please note that Kadee products are only available with the purchase of a Kit, while Tahoe Trucks are available separately.
 
Link to our Tahoe Trucks page:    https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=264

Link to our Kadee Add-On page:  https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=153

Westerfield Models is available for custom casting work.  We can make castings from your patterns, both from your custom masters or your 3D printed masters.  Please see our Website, Main Page "Custom Castings" for more information.  Link to page:  http://westerfieldmodels.com/116622.html

Westerfield Models now has a Facebook and YouTube page where we post photos and videos of our new projects and Modelers photos of completed or in process Westerfield Model Freight cars.
Please send us your photos and videos of your completed or in process Westerfield Model Kits, along with a description of your work, details used, painting methods, etc.
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Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Bob Chaparro
 

Just a factoid...PFE ice service reefers serviced PFE facilities. Southern Pacific had their own fleet of ice service reefers (ex-PFE cars as I recall) to service SP facilities.
Bob Chaparro
Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: AB brake sets (was Re: Detail Associates)

Kenneth Montero
 

The Details West shows that its AB air brake set has been discontinued.

I have used Cal-Scale AB brake sets for years- part 190-283 - and an ABD set (now discontinued).

Tichy has an AB air brake set - part no. 3013.

Both manufacturers have older air brake sets, such as KC type.

Ken Montero

On 02/18/2022 10:00 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I just learned that GRANDT LINE owned the molds for the AB brake set (I have found some
GL AB brake sets and they're exactly the same, but are gray plastic). The GL property was sold
to San Juan the O scale vendor but the molds may be worn out, in any case. So save those few
remaining AB brake sets for really worthy models. :-D

Other excellent AB sets include Terry's Wegmann's set he cut for the Pacific Freight Enterprises
PFE reefer kit. I think (not sure) that set was (or is) available from Details West. Everything in the
set is well done, but it only has 1/2 the items found in the amazing DA/GL AB brake sets.

I haven't looked just now, but perhaps TANGENT now offers AB brake gear as well. Tangent seems
to be serious about offering freight car parts, and there is now an amazing variety of parts including
whole body castings, which is almost unheard of in the HO hobby biz.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/17/2022 5:47 PM, Robert Ellis wrote:
About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AB brake sets (was Re: Detail Associates)

Tim O'Connor
 


I just learned that GRANDT LINE owned the molds for the AB brake set (I have found some
GL AB brake sets and they're exactly the same, but are gray plastic). The GL property was sold
to San Juan the O scale vendor but the molds may be worn out, in any case. So save those few
remaining AB brake sets for really worthy models. :-D

Other excellent AB sets include Terry's Wegmann's set he cut for the Pacific Freight Enterprises
PFE reefer kit. I think (not sure) that set was (or is) available from Details West. Everything in the
set is well done, but it only has 1/2 the items found in the amazing DA/GL AB brake sets.

I haven't looked just now, but perhaps TANGENT now offers AB brake gear as well. Tangent seems
to be serious about offering freight car parts, and there is now an amazing variety of parts including
whole body castings, which is almost unheard of in the HO hobby biz.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/17/2022 5:47 PM, Robert Ellis wrote:

About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Tim O'Connor
 

Gary

Most floor castings are easy to fix, because they have a FLAT side.

Put casting flat side down on sheet of 1/4" or 3/8" tempered glass* in an oven
preheated to about 150 degrees. Turn the oven off and leave the glass in there
for a couple of hours until it's cool again. Put WEIGHT on top of the casting
as well to make sure it cools FLAT. Your floor is now fixed. I know this works
because I've done it several times with alumilite (yellow stuff) and other resins.
The temperature doesn't have to be exact - 140 to 160 range.

One piece bodies often also have one 'flat' side, so a similar technique can be
used with them, except that I block the interiors with wood blocks to keep things
as square as possible.

Tim O'Connor

* my 3/8" tempered glass plate was made by a local glass shop - very cheap to do
and a really useful tool because it is perfectly flat. And tempered glass is very strong.


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary McMills wrote:
"I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.  What is the best way to remedy this situation?"

If all else fails, there's Accurail #105, 40 ft Fishbelly Underframe.  You may have to do some adjusting to get it to fit the resin carbody.


Ben Hom




Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Feb 17, 2022, at 08:18, maynard stowe <ctsper1947@...> wrote:

Actually it depends on where in the country the sand pit is. The SP hauled lots of sand from Monterey and above Felton
That'd be Zayante and Olympia to be specific

in California in open top goes and hoppers.
--
The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Re: Westerfield PRR X23 etched metal ladders...

 

Yes, the Trout Creek ladders are the old Taurus ladders. They also make an O scale version, although I can't find it on the new web page. If you have questions, you should be able to reach them by email at troutcreekeng@... . I bought some from of the O scale ladders from Clifford Mestel at Trout Creek just a few months ago. and the cost was $12 plus $1 shipping.

Dan Stinson


Re: Westerfield PRR X23 etched metal ladders...

Kenneth Montero
 

Charles,

Taurus Products was taken over by Trout Creek Engineering. Website is hard to find and their former website is defunct, but here it is:

Scroll down the page to the parts section. Look for part no. P2002 (5 rung ladder) or P2012 (4 rung ladder).

I don't know if either is the same as the Taurus Products ladder.

Ken Montero

Note: There is a professional engineering firm that also uses the name Trout Creek Engineering, so caution in seeking the model railroad manufacturer is suggested.

On 02/17/2022 3:53 PM Charles Greene <greenec1144@...> wrote:


Slightly off subject, but not much....

Does anyone know if Taurus Products, which made etched (?) brass caboose ladders, is still in business? I installed a pair of those ladders in place of the caboose kit-supplied ladders.They add much realism to the car since they appear to be true to design and scale. I bought the pair I have decades ago. Only place I've seen them currently is on eBay.

        -Chuck


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Kenneth Montero
 

Red Caboose made an "Ice Service" PFE reefer -kit no. 4114f (PFE orange).

Westerfield made (1) a B&O (ex-FGE, ex-PRR) R-7 Ice Service reefer, kit no. 11664;  (2) an AT&SF BX-3/6 (if insulated for Ice Service)

Ken Montero

On 02/17/2022 3:40 PM Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:


There were many "ice service" refrigerator cars.  I have seen pictures of ART. FGE and PFE cars lettered for this service.  Intermountain produced a model (47739) for a wood FGE car.  I was introduced to this when Mark Vaughan included "ART ICE SERVICE ONLY" lettering on one of his Wabash combination decal sets.  I was told that the (steel) ART cars delivered ice to Wabash (and subsidiary Ann Arbor RR too) company facilities such as depots, freight houses, shops and anywhere else where ice was needed.  I always thought that would make an interesting operation to include on a layout . . .

Craig Wilson


Re: Resin Boxcar Floor warpage correction

 

Great idea, Andy. I will have to dig around my old kitchen stuff I had when I lived in Cali for a skillet. If I try and use one of my wife's, I will be moving into that apartment on your property, LOL!

Rich

On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:59:35 PM CST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Rarely were any of the commercial resin kit's castings heat cured. A heat cured resin casting gains strength, and its memory is solidified. A partial correction of a thicker warped casting may make it even more difficult to straighten with repeated heating. some resins can be reheated and more curing occurring, but for many, this curing is a one-time deal.

I have a very flat-bottomed kitchen skillet. I place it on the range and let it come up to heat. It should be quite warm, but not blisteringly hot. When placing in the casting(s), use your thumb and other finger pads to press down on the casting. A warm solid surface should have the casting fully settled onto the skillet and when softened from the heat, the casting usually will remain totally flattened to the skillet. If you can't feel increasing heat coming up to your thumb through the resin casting, you are not warm enough.

You all do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Undecorated War Emergency Box Cars

charles slater
 

I have found 2 additional Intermountain undecorated war emergency box car kits.  
One Intermountain Kit #41070 with rectangular panel roof. In the box there are decals for NKP, GM&O and Alton asking $25.00 plus shipping
One Intermountain Kit #41071 with a Viking roof. It has CNW "Route of The 400" decals in the box asking $25.00 plus shipping
The decal sets were made for Sunshine Models cars.
Shipping is $8.00 each or we can ship both together for $8.00 also.
Charles Slater



Sent from Outlook


Resin Boxcar Floor warpage correction

Andy Carlson
 

Rarely were any of the commercial resin kit's castings heat cured. A heat cured resin casting gains strength, and its memory is solidified. A partial correction of a thicker warped casting may make it even more difficult to straighten with repeated heating. some resins can be reheated and more curing occurring, but for many, this curing is a one-time deal.

I have a very flat-bottomed kitchen skillet. I place it on the range and let it come up to heat. It should be quite warm, but not blisteringly hot. When placing in the casting(s), use your thumb and other finger pads to press down on the casting. A warm solid surface should have the casting fully settled onto the skillet and when softened from the heat, the casting usually will remain totally flattened to the skillet. If you can't feel increasing heat coming up to your thumb through the resin casting, you are not warm enough.

You all do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

_._,_._,_


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

mopacfirst
 

I'll comment that the "preheat to 150 F -- TURN OFF -- put part on a flat plate (cookie sheet) for 10 min" is in Sunshine general instructions and it works.  My additional comment is that this works first time on thinner parts like car sides.  Thicker parts, like floors and one-piece molded roofs, probably need at least two of these treatments because each time the part relaxes a little but not completely.  

On occasion, I have used ACC to attach styrene stiffeners behind a boxcar side because the fitup still was not optimal even after this treatment.  Just bear in mind, the combined resin side + styrene stiffener may still exhibit a warp, depending on the relative size and orientation of this part.  You have to watch this technique, because those stiffeners might get in the way of, say, drilling grab irons, or weights that might already have been glued to the floor.  Ask me how I know.

On a related note, I ended up needing to glue large stiffeners to the floors of some Walthers ex-proto boxcars because of floor warping.  Worked, and added a tiny bit of weight.

Another related note -- a brass stiffener is much more stiff than a styrene one, but you run the risk of differential expansion between the brass and the resin.

Ron Merrick


Re: Detail Associates

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....


On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.



On 2/17/2022 2:23 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:

Raymond,

 

They are not closed even though it may seem like it.  After not being available for years, I have recently purchased parts at various hobby shops that are new runs.  They are slowly getting parts back out to the market.  Looking at Walthers, about half of the part numbers are in stock.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Gary McMills
 

Thanks Pierre , I thought I read about that procedure in the past.

Gary McMills


On 2022-02-17 16:38, Pierre Oliver wrote:

straightening warped resin is easy
Very hot water, not quite boiling, immerse the part briefly. remove and lay on a flat surface. let cool. repeat if required

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/17/22 5:31 p.m., Gary McMills wrote:



-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Chuck Cover
 

Hi Gary,

 

I have straightened out warped floors on several kits by preheating the oven to 150 degrees, then turn the oven off.  Place the warped floor on a metal flat pan and slide it in the oven.  Let it sit until cool.  It will usually straighten.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Pierre Oliver
 

straightening warped resin is easy
Very hot water, not quite boiling, immerse the part briefly. remove and lay on a flat surface. let cool. repeat if required

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/17/22 5:31 p.m., Gary McMills wrote:



-------- Original Message --------


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.

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