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Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Jeffrey White
 

Tim,

Built by GATX in 1940 according to the NEW date stenciled on the car..  The diagram in the 1954 diagram book says 1941 and 42 for those numbers.  I know the photo is after the date of the list, but the car isn't and company ice service was a thing in the stem era.  I don't have any idea when it went into company service.

Jeff White Alma IL

On 2/18/2022 7:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I like that photo but it's way after the STMFC era.
I think it's one of the IC "R-40-10" clone reefers.


On 2/18/2022 4:49 PM, Jeffrey Wh
ite wrote:

Here is an IC ice service reefer:

Jeff White Alma IL

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Tim O'Connor
 


All the generic GSC flats have them

On 2/18/2022 5:57 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Tim O'Connor
 


I like that photo but it's way after the STMFC era.
I think it's one of the IC "R-40-10" clone reefers.


On 2/18/2022 4:49 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Here is an IC ice service reefer:

Jeff White Alma IL

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks Bruce.  According to the IC 1960 equipment list it was a 50 ton car built in 1957.  Actually it was the exposed bolster top that caught my eye.


Jeff White Alma IL

On 2/18/2022 5:06 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Jeff,

Stake pockets on the ends of flat cars are common. This looks like it might be a 70-ton car due to the exposed bolster top.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 4:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Just a factoid...PFE ice service reefers serviced PFE facilities. Southern Pacific had their own fleet of ice service reefers (ex-PFE cars as I recall) to service SP facilities.
It’s assigned to passenger ice needs at Oakland Pier; the photo was taken at West Oakland. Photo and info is in my Box Car book, Vol. 4 of the series _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ in Chapter 4.

Tony Thompson


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Nelson Moyer
 

That’s the method recommended in Sunshine kit instructions, though Martin didn’t specify steel. I use a piece of ½ in. plate glass, and it works fine, though I’ve had to heat more than once for badly warped parts. The only uncertainty with oven heating is that oven thermostats aren’t very accurate at low temps like 150° F, and the temperature dial may not go that low, so there’s some guesswork on the oven setting. My 40 year old oven dial starts at 200°, and below that it just says WARM.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar Floor warped

 

Over some thirty years of building resin and encountering all manner of warped sides, ends and roofs and I have found the best remedy is to have on hand a flat piece of steel with enough mass to be a good heat sink.  I heat the metal in the oven to 150F.  When hot I take the metal out of the oven and place the offending part on the metal.  The part will absorb the heat from the metal and it can be manipulated to flatten it or even take the vertical bow out of a side of a flat kit using straight edge as a guide.  I have even taken the hump out of the roof of a one piece body with this method.  The method is very controlled with little risk of part damage.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

 

 

Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff,

Stake pockets on the ends of flat cars are common. This looks like it might be a 70-ton car due to the exposed bolster top.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 4:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Re: Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Robert Ellis <bobjel67@...>
 

Hi, Jeffrey. Almost all flatcars had them. Models, for some reason, usually don't, although sometimes the rivets are there in the end sills. You can model them easily enough by mounting a Tichy or Red Caboose stake pocket on the inside of the end sills, and some Archer rivets on the outside. Bob Ellis. Oh. And drill the hole, if course 


On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 17:58 Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Tie down holes in GSC flat cars?

Jeffrey White
 

I cam across this photo of IC flats being assembled at the IC's Centralia car shops from frames bought from General Steel Castings.

I've never seen these holes in the steel at each end of the deck. 

Maybe I've just missed them in other photos.

Jeff White Alma IL


Boxcar floor warped

Gary McMills
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my dilemma.

I have the solution now

best regards,

Gary McMills


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

william darnaby
 

Over some thirty years of building resin and encountering all manner of warped sides, ends and roofs and I have found the best remedy is to have on hand a flat piece of steel with enough mass to be a good heat sink.  I heat the metal in the oven to 150F.  When hot I take the metal out of the oven and place the offending part on the metal.  The part will absorb the heat from the metal and it can be manipulated to flatten it or even take the vertical bow out of a side of a flat kit using straight edge as a guide.  I have even taken the hump out of the roof of a one piece body with this method.  The method is very controlled with little risk of part damage.

Bill Darnaby




Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Jeffrey White
 

Here is an IC ice service reefer:


Jeff White Alma IL


Re: Mobile Icing On The Santa Fe

Clarence Zink
 

Thanks Tony!  That makes sense.

CRZ


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Re: Rail transport of ice (Was: Mobile Icing .....)

Bob Chaparro
 

Just a factoid...PFE ice service reefers serviced PFE facilities. Southern Pacific had their own fleet of ice service reefers (ex-PFE cars as I recall) to service SP facilities.
Bob Chaparro
Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: AB brake sets (was Re: Detail Associates)

Kenneth Montero
 

The Details West shows that its AB air brake set has been discontinued.

I have used Cal-Scale AB brake sets for years- part 190-283 - and an ABD set (now discontinued).

Tichy has an AB air brake set - part no. 3013.

Both manufacturers have older air brake sets, such as KC type.

Ken Montero

On 02/18/2022 10:00 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I just learned that GRANDT LINE owned the molds for the AB brake set (I have found some
GL AB brake sets and they're exactly the same, but are gray plastic). The GL property was sold
to San Juan the O scale vendor but the molds may be worn out, in any case. So save those few
remaining AB brake sets for really worthy models. :-D

Other excellent AB sets include Terry's Wegmann's set he cut for the Pacific Freight Enterprises
PFE reefer kit. I think (not sure) that set was (or is) available from Details West. Everything in the
set is well done, but it only has 1/2 the items found in the amazing DA/GL AB brake sets.

I haven't looked just now, but perhaps TANGENT now offers AB brake gear as well. Tangent seems
to be serious about offering freight car parts, and there is now an amazing variety of parts including
whole body castings, which is almost unheard of in the HO hobby biz.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/17/2022 5:47 PM, Robert Ellis wrote:
About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AB brake sets (was Re: Detail Associates)

Tim O'Connor
 


I just learned that GRANDT LINE owned the molds for the AB brake set (I have found some
GL AB brake sets and they're exactly the same, but are gray plastic). The GL property was sold
to San Juan the O scale vendor but the molds may be worn out, in any case. So save those few
remaining AB brake sets for really worthy models. :-D

Other excellent AB sets include Terry's Wegmann's set he cut for the Pacific Freight Enterprises
PFE reefer kit. I think (not sure) that set was (or is) available from Details West. Everything in the
set is well done, but it only has 1/2 the items found in the amazing DA/GL AB brake sets.

I haven't looked just now, but perhaps TANGENT now offers AB brake gear as well. Tangent seems
to be serious about offering freight car parts, and there is now an amazing variety of parts including
whole body castings, which is almost unheard of in the HO hobby biz.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/17/2022 5:47 PM, Robert Ellis wrote:
About a year ago, I looked on the back of several DA parts envelopes to see if I could find any contact information.  I found two different PO box numbers, so I sent a letter to each one. I offered to buy a minimum of 100 AB brake sets (229-6227), more if that's what it would take. I assume someone received the letters, because neither came back. But I never got an answer, either.  Offer's still open....

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 15:58 Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

DA is a one-person, part-time maker. Discussion in Dec 2021 (two months ago) on MFCL posts
say that the business is alive, if not well. I think there is a lot of old unsold stock out there, but the
really popular items (e.g. AB brake set) are almost impossible to find.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Tim O'Connor
 

Gary

Most floor castings are easy to fix, because they have a FLAT side.

Put casting flat side down on sheet of 1/4" or 3/8" tempered glass* in an oven
preheated to about 150 degrees. Turn the oven off and leave the glass in there
for a couple of hours until it's cool again. Put WEIGHT on top of the casting
as well to make sure it cools FLAT. Your floor is now fixed. I know this works
because I've done it several times with alumilite (yellow stuff) and other resins.
The temperature doesn't have to be exact - 140 to 160 range.

One piece bodies often also have one 'flat' side, so a similar technique can be
used with them, except that I block the interiors with wood blocks to keep things
as square as possible.

Tim O'Connor

* my 3/8" tempered glass plate was made by a local glass shop - very cheap to do
and a really useful tool because it is perfectly flat. And tempered glass is very strong.


Hi Gentlemen,

I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.

What is the best way to remedy this situation?

Should I let the car floor set in a pan of warm water to relax it or what ?

Gary McMills



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar Floor warped

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary McMills wrote:
"I recently bought a Funaro & Camerlengo USRA double sheath Boxcar kit at a show and I have noticed that both ends of the car floor are bent about 0.125" down out of the plane.  What is the best way to remedy this situation?"

If all else fails, there's Accurail #105, 40 ft Fishbelly Underframe.  You may have to do some adjusting to get it to fit the resin carbody.


Ben Hom




Re: Concrete Wet Batch Plants in the 1950s

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Feb 17, 2022, at 08:18, maynard stowe <ctsper1947@...> wrote:

Actually it depends on where in the country the sand pit is. The SP hauled lots of sand from Monterey and above Felton
That'd be Zayante and Olympia to be specific

in California in open top goes and hoppers.
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The thong is ended but the malady lingers on

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