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Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

I realised that they are preproduction models, but that's interesting what they assured you of Brian, as that would mean they will have to retool several models to achieve that correction. That would affect the USRA SS Boxcar; USRA CPR Clone Boxcar and the SP B-50 Boxcar. Sounds like an expensive retooling job and incredible blunder to make.

Robert Bogie


Re: Freight Cars Journal

Richard Brennan
 

...and a longer Casdorph / Neubauer publication list, including:
FCJ - Freight Cars Journal
FCJM - Freight Cars Journal Monograph
FCT - Freight Cars Today
THM - Transport History Monograph
JRTC - Journal of Railway Tank Cars

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 01:31 PM 3/8/2022, brianleppert@... via groups.io wrote:
Here's the attachment.


Re: Freight Cars Journal

mark_landgraf
 

Ken - here is FCJ19-20

Mark

On Monday, March 7, 2022, 3:40:40 PM EST, Ken O'Brien <kobrien1600@...> wrote:


Folks,

I'm looking for Volume 20 on the Northampton & Bath RR. It's called out in the history sheet of the Westerfield kit for a N&B steel sheathed boxcar. I did check the FCJ website, but they don't have it. for downloads. Any help would be appreciated.

Ken O'Brien


Re: Freight Cars Journal

brianleppert@att.net
 

Here's the attachment.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Freight Cars Journal

brianleppert@att.net
 

Ken,
Freight Cars Journal #19/20 has no mention of Northampton and Bath.  Attached is list of FCJ issues.


Re: QUUESTION ON A ROCK ISLAND

Tim O'Connor
 


Or one could use .010" stainless steel. :-)

On 3/8/2022 3:04 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 07:58 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
All of which leads me to wonder, why are there no ETCHED BRASS coupler boxes? Thin sides
could be strong, and to scale. Paper thin resin overlays could be applied for extra detail.
.015" brass plus "paper thin" resin flash at .004" is .019". The Proto:HO Accumate box walls are already .025", IIRC. .006" isn't much to replicate the channel flange depth, although proper detail around the draft key might make it worthwhile.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I'd forgotten that! But I actually used some adhesive on my model on both the side
doors and end doors, since they would flap open or slide together sideways.


On 3/8/2022 2:49 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Ray Hutchison wrote:

I've been curious about these photos as they have appeared over the last two years...  I don't think that there have been any models that have the working end doors?  Has anyone here "modified" an existing model to have the open doors?  If so, any photos? Description?  

The Oriental brass model of SP Class A-50-10 automobile cars had working end doors. I have one.

Tony Thompson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Tim O'Connor
 


Since open doors need to be thin and have detail on both sides... I think 3-D print may be the best solution

On 3/8/2022 2:10 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
Is there anyone making operating end doors for boxcars or at least some that could be attached in the open position that could be retrofitted to the P2K end door boxcars or other similar boxcars?

Allen Cain


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: QUUESTION ON A ROCK ISLAND

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 07:58 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
All of which leads me to wonder, why are there no ETCHED BRASS coupler boxes? Thin sides
could be strong, and to scale. Paper thin resin overlays could be applied for extra detail.
.015" brass plus "paper thin" resin flash at .004" is .019". The Proto:HO Accumate box walls are already .025", IIRC. .006" isn't much to replicate the channel flange depth, although proper detail around the draft key might make it worthwhile.

Dennis Storzek


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

I've been curious about these photos as they have appeared over the last two years... I don't think that there have been any models that have the working end doors? Has anyone here "modified" an existing model to have the open doors? If so, any photos? Description?
The Oriental brass model of SP Class A-50-10 automobile cars had working end doors. I have one.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] scale draft gear, was: QUUESTION ON A ROCK ISLAND

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

 

There were some made years ago, when I asked a friend who did etched brass to do a few Duryea u/f’s for me (for B&O freight cars).  He also did some others for “scale” couplers in more standard mountings.

 

He was one of those guys that wanted scale everything, including wheel flanges, tread width, grabs, etc.

 

I built one and tested it out:  The experiment was a failure for me:  not enough coupler swing for my 24” radius crossovers = constant derailments and other probs.  Looked great standing still, tho’.

 

John Wright did a fabulous fine scale module around the same time, but I am not sure he got through the draft gear issue.

 

I am sure others have done much better than I.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] QUUESTION ON A ROCK ISLAND

 


All of which leads me to wonder, why are there no ETCHED BRASS coupler boxes? Thin sides
could be strong, and to scale. Paper thin resin overlays could be applied for extra detail.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2022 10:57 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 04:57 AM, Robert Ellis wrote:

Earl's comments about draft gear got me thinking.  There are accurate scale parts available to model virtually every component of a freight car, at least in ho. The one exception is draft gear.  Now that there are alternatives to the Kadee #5 that don't require a "coupler box," wouldn't it be nice if someone would produce accurate scale draft gear, compatible with Accumate and Sargent couplers?

I want to thank Eric Hansmann for the nice write-up on the Proto:HO Accumate. However, to answer  Robert's question, truly scale sized draft gear is still in the future. The reason is the prototype draft gear fits in the 12-7/8" space between the center sills. That's just .148 actual inches. I worked hard to get the Proto:HO box narrow enough to match the 20-1/4" wide cover plates typical on steam era freight cars, so it appears the center sills continue through the bolster as they do on the prototype, but at the expense of "borrowing" the depth of the channels the sills are made of. The interior of the box is still about .040" wider than a true reduction of the prototype. Even if someone 3D prints a three dimensional box, it's either going to be too wide to match the sill spacing, or the walls are going to be impossibly thin. I think the best we can hope for is 3D prints of draft keys and the forging they ride in, complete with rivet heads, that can be glued to the sides of whatever box is on the model. The rudimentary draft key detail molded on the Proto:HO box can be sliced right off.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Allen Cain
 

Is there anyone making operating end doors for boxcars or at least some that could be attached in the open position that could be retrofitted to the P2K end door boxcars or other similar boxcars?

--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Robert kirkham
 

I’d really like to find an end view of those 98100-98199 cars.

Rob

On Mar 8, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Claus Schlund wrote:
"Some may enjoy this imahe of a bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...
https://tacomalibrary.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p17061coll21/id/25097/rec/191


Tim O'Connor asked:
"Any further information on this series of Erie box cars, builder, etc?"

From the July 1935 ORER, Erie 98100-98199, 100 cars.


Ben Hom



Re: IM 1958 covered hopper

Ken Adams
 

I've think I given up on the IM 1958 undecorated cars. 

Now if we could get an etch for the end cages we could modify the more available Bowser versions.
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Ken Adams
Omicron may come and go but I still live in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Tim O'Connor
 


thanks Ben

On 3/8/2022 11:59 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Claus Schlund wrote:
"Some may enjoy this imahe of a bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...
https://tacomalibrary.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p17061coll21/id/25097/rec/191


Tim O'Connor asked:
"Any further information on this series of Erie box cars, builder, etc?"

From the July 1935 ORER, Erie 98100-98199, 100 cars.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"Some may enjoy this imahe of a bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...
https://tacomalibrary.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p17061coll21/id/25097/rec/191


Tim O'Connor asked:
"Any further information on this series of Erie box cars, builder, etc?"

From the July 1935 ORER, Erie 98100-98199, 100 cars.


Ben Hom


Re: QUUESTION ON A ROCK ISLAND

Tim O'Connor
 


All of which leads me to wonder, why are there no ETCHED BRASS coupler boxes? Thin sides
could be strong, and to scale. Paper thin resin overlays could be applied for extra detail.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/7/2022 10:57 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 04:57 AM, Robert Ellis wrote:
Earl's comments about draft gear got me thinking.  There are accurate scale parts available to model virtually every component of a freight car, at least in ho. The one exception is draft gear.  Now that there are alternatives to the Kadee #5 that don't require a "coupler box," wouldn't it be nice if someone would produce accurate scale draft gear, compatible with Accumate and Sargent couplers?
I want to thank Eric Hansmann for the nice write-up on the Proto:HO Accumate. However, to answer  Robert's question, truly scale sized draft gear is still in the future. The reason is the prototype draft gear fits in the 12-7/8" space between the center sills. That's just .148 actual inches. I worked hard to get the Proto:HO box narrow enough to match the 20-1/4" wide cover plates typical on steam era freight cars, so it appears the center sills continue through the bolster as they do on the prototype, but at the expense of "borrowing" the depth of the channels the sills are made of. The interior of the box is still about .040" wider than a true reduction of the prototype. Even if someone 3D prints a three dimensional box, it's either going to be too wide to match the sill spacing, or the walls are going to be impossibly thin. I think the best we can hope for is 3D prints of draft keys and the forging they ride in, complete with rivet heads, that can be glued to the sides of whatever box is on the model. The rudimentary draft key detail molded on the Proto:HO box can be sliced right off.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Tim O'Connor
 


Any further information on this series of Erie box cars, builder, etc?

On 3/7/2022 2:54 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
 
Some may enjoy this imahe of a bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IM 1958 covered hopper

Gary Bechdol
 

All:

The two IM 1958 cf cover hopper kits have been sold pending payment.

Thanks for your interest.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


Re: IM 1958 covered hopper

Gary Bechdol
 

All:

I discovered two IM undecorated 1958 cf covered hopper kits in my stash.  They are the open sided version.  I will probably never get around to building them.  I am offering them for sale, $25.00 each plus $10.00 UPS shipping.  Excess shipping over $1.00 will be refunded.

Please contact me OFF LIST at garyeb1947 at gmail dot com.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA

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