Date   

Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

ROGER HINMAN
 

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

<PastedGraphic-33.png>




Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

<PastedGraphic-33.png>



Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

yes, modelable scene, right!  

My current model building began with a small yard, interchange and depot, all located within about 200 yards to the south of this scene.   The idea of running tracks onto the various piers is very appealing. . . .  harder to do with a layout room though, as the bulk of trackage runs 90 degrees to these piers.  But i try . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!
   
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.
 
 
Rob
On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
 
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen 
 



Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

ROGER HINMAN
 

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

<PastedGraphic-33.png>


Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.

 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Here is a link to the larger image

But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen

 


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

np328
 

We seem to keep circling around to this topic on a regular basis.
See posts go back into the Yahoo STMFC era. 
See posts 139158; 139164; 163462; 179445; These all are lead-ins to prior discussions. 
and there are photos on some of these posts. 
like these two: http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04500/8a04504v.jpg  and the whole car http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04500/8a04505v.jpg
I know I have posted other photos of older NP boxcars, hoppers, gons, all with tight, uniform wood sheathing and brought this topic up in the past also. 

     A modeling observation: I recall when Leighton Keiling observed in a 60s(?) MR that benchwork should be stout enough that if a locomotive stalls you can give the nearest table leg a good kick. Later when I and my brother joined a club in the basement of a hobby store in St. Paul, this wisdom had taken purchase with some of the members. Some ideas die hard.  

     Other observations: I know that my studied railroad maintained their cars as Garrison Keiler used to state of the Lake Wobegon kids: above average.  I know from factual study of reports between officers at the corporate level and from Mechanical files notes that my modeled railroad desired to heavy shop their cars about every seven years, heavy shop includes a paint job.  "Trust Reports", which were ledgers of cars bought by bonds floated by the railroad to purchase these cars required they be maintained for the bond trustees, hence the trust reports which was a document that could be called up to provide proof, along with car numbers and classifications of work done.  

     From that to data, to see a heavily weathered and/or distorted sheathing on a car modeled for my road the NP, or things like the NP Monad, be twelve years off after a new scheme came out, raises flags - to me

Yes, you could find a photo however I would have to question if that photo is typical or an outlier.
Then we get into the other argument of: Do models of exceptions an exceptional modeled railroad make? 

You can read Al Westerfield's reply in one of the above strings. That echos a comment Steve of F&C replied to me also. 
We here - look to accuracy, however the toy trainers also make enough purchases that it influences the market.     
           
 Your railroads history and practices regarding the upkeep of their rolling stock of course, could be quite different.  I've told you about the NP's. I'd like to hear about your railroad. 

Yes, these conversations well predate even the Yahoo STMFC.
     I recall , IIRC, Paul Janz who used to quite heavily weather SP model steam locomotives, and sent the photos into model magazine publishers, which in turn, generated mail to the publications he sent the photos to both pro and con.                                                                                                                                        James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Philip Dove
 

How do they rate for prototype accuracy? I've heard rumours that Lionels giraffe car was a fooby. 


On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, 03:47 John Mateyko, <rattler21@...> wrote:
Both Lionel and MTH offered double door 50' boxcars with operating doors at one end.  John Mateyko


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Tim O'Connor
 

Ray

OMG -- "wood grain" is what caused the old Freightcars mailing list to morph into STMFC after fighting
broke out over the use of real wood vs polystyrene to represent wood. Byron Rose vs Jim Fixx (Byron
on the side of styrene, Jim fought for wood. It was a bloody conflict that ended in a cease fire after each
side retired from the battle. Fortunately, neither side had nuclear weapons.)

:-)

Tim



On 3/9/2022 10:14 AM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:
I have a couple of single sheathed cars that I need to scratch, and I'll be using Frank Hodina's trick of board by board side wall construction, with each board lightly dragged through 150# sandpaper held between my fingers. The end result shows SOME grain, so it's somewhere between 100% smooth and Tichy.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 08:56:52 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


:-\

Shades of ancient flame wars around the turn of the century when folks lamented the use of Evergreen
siding for single sheathed and double sheathed box cars! Many Sunshine kits were done that way, sadly.
When the cars were new a single sheathed box car could look nearly as smooth as steel because the boards
fit so well together.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/8/2022 9:29 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:
I believe that revising the siding boards is "steel safe", meaning it's a small milling and polishing job, rather than all new.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for that info Larry.  Sounds like a fin project.  Will have to see about getting a copy of those drawings then.   

Those modifications to the Accurail car sound a little bit like the way some outfits re built actual reefers in the 1930s.  What is the quote?  Something like “they propped up the car number, and replaced everything else”, lol.  

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:34 AM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Illinois Ry Museum, Pullman Library has drawings of this sort of NRC reefer- Pullman drawing 504 F 58 is a very complete general arrangement of NRC 6000-6499. from 10-30-1926.Pullman lot nos. 5402 and 5416.
AFAIK the later 7xxx cars were the same.My intentions to model them would involve an Accurail reefer as a starting point.-depending on how far you want to go you would need to change to a wood outer roof, add channel end sills, remove the ladders and the sheathing retainer strap along the bottom of the sides and maybe rework the underframe. You might even consider lowering the heigth of the sides. Good luck!
Larry King


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Ray Breyer
 

I have a couple of single sheathed cars that I need to scratch, and I'll be using Frank Hodina's trick of board by board side wall construction, with each board lightly dragged through 150# sandpaper held between my fingers. The end result shows SOME grain, so it's somewhere between 100% smooth and Tichy.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 08:56:52 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


:-\

Shades of ancient flame wars around the turn of the century when folks lamented the use of Evergreen
siding for single sheathed and double sheathed box cars! Many Sunshine kits were done that way, sadly.
When the cars were new a single sheathed box car could look nearly as smooth as steel because the boards
fit so well together.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/8/2022 9:29 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:
I believe that revising the siding boards is "steel safe", meaning it's a small milling and polishing job, rather than all new.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

lrkdbn
 

Illinois Ry Museum, Pullman Library has drawings of this sort of NRC reefer- Pullman drawing 504 F 58 is a very complete general arrangement of NRC 6000-6499. from 10-30-1926.Pullman lot nos. 5402 and 5416.
AFAIK the later 7xxx cars were the same.My intentions to model them would involve an Accurail reefer as a starting point.-depending on how far you want to go you would need to change to a wood outer roof, add channel end sills, remove the ladders and the sheathing retainer strap along the bottom of the sides and maybe rework the underframe. You might even consider lowering the heigth of the sides. Good luck!
Larry King


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 03:28 AM, robertb@... wrote:
Has anyone noticed the strange way that Rapido Trains is doing the wood sheathing on their single sheath outside braced box car models that they've announced. It was pointed out too me a couple of days ago by a friend of mine who is involved with tooling and selling models. If you look at this sample in this link:- USRA CPR "Clone" Boxcar - Freight Cars - HO scale - Rapido Trains Inc. you can see that the wood planks have been done in alternating patterns of some set against the braces and some inset. It just not this particular model, the other similar type models they have announced are the same. This is not how the planks are done on the prototype, so why are they doing this? Planks on the prototype can warp in service, but they aren't set in a pattern of one against the steel brace then the next one inset, etc, etc. It's similar to the Titchy USRA single sheath outside braced box car done years ago.
Robert Bogie

Are we talking about the image on the Rapido website? The model shown on the website looks to be a Tichy USRA boxcar modified to the CPR clone car.
That siding is pure Tichy to me. I doubt that is what Rapido is going to do in their model. Just a kitbash to show what they intend to do.

Dan Smith


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

That turned out to be a surprisingly small image.  Here is a link to the larger image, and if you click on the image it expands to full size.  

rob

On Mar 8, 2022, at 10:35 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

<PastedGraphic-33.png>


NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

John Mateyko
 

Both Lionel and MTH offered double door 50' boxcars with operating doors at one end.  John Mateyko


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Tim O'Connor
 

:-\

Shades of ancient flame wars around the turn of the century when folks lamented the use of Evergreen
siding for single sheathed and double sheathed box cars! Many Sunshine kits were done that way, sadly.
When the cars were new a single sheathed box car could look nearly as smooth as steel because the boards
fit so well together.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/8/2022 9:29 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:
I believe that revising the siding boards is "steel safe", meaning it's a small milling and polishing job, rather than all new.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Ray Breyer
 

I believe that revising the siding boards is "steel safe", meaning it's a small milling and polishing job, rather than all new.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 07:48:22 PM CST, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


They revise tools all the time. I don’t think the tools cost the same as the used to as far as project costs. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 8, 2022, at 8:41 PM, robertb@... wrote:

I realised that they are preproduction models, but that's interesting what they assured you of Brian, as that would mean they will have to retool several models to achieve that correction. That would affect the USRA SS Boxcar; USRA CPR Clone Boxcar and the SP B-50 Boxcar. Sounds like an expensive retooling job and incredible blunder to make.

Robert Bogie

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet June 10-11, Springfield, Mass.

Dave Owens
 

Hello all:
I wanted to give you a heads up about an event coming up in June. After a two-year hiatus due to COVID, we will be having the 20th anniversary New England Northeast Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet.

The meet will be at the La Quinta Hotel in Springfield, Mass. on Friday and Saturday, June 10-11.

The meet consists of two days of clinics, a huge model display and select vendors and manufacturers.

It's a great opportunity to show off your models and meet fellow model railroaders.

Below, please find the link to our site.
http://nerpm.org/index.html

If I can answer any questions about the meet please contact me at neprotomeet@....

The bottom line is that this event is intended for any model railroader who likes to build or modify models and who is interested in doing it better.

We have lots of great clinics already and are working on getting some more.

Thanks,
Dave Owens
West Hartford, CT

3801 - 3820 of 194714