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Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

hi Ralph,

Well, looking at the 1941 Summary of Equipment for CPR, it would be in one of two 50+’ long series of cars starting 309XXX.  (I think the 8 hatch reefer to its right tells us its well over 43’).

  

My guess is 30992X, so one of the 5 cars in series 309925-309929, 54’ 5” long built in 1930.

I have not checked for additions to the roster after 1941, so not 100% certain.

Rob 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Hi Bruce, Rob, et al.,
 
Can anyone make the number on the CP well flat?  The best I can do is CP 50xxx.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:37 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 
Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. 

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.
 
 
Rob
On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
 
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen 
 



Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Charlie Vlk
 

While the brands Lionel and MTH don’t evoke feelings of accurate product excellence over the past maybe two decades they have been a boon to 1/48 two rail modelers with state of the art scale locomotives, freight and passenger cars.  
Maybe not proto 48 level, but really nice for production models.
Charlie Vlk
And, by the way, I have a photo of a giraffe being delivered to the Brookfield Zoo (Illinois) in a boxcar.  No hole in the roof (it wasn’t that tall) but a “giraffe car” it was, at least while it was in transit!



On Mar 9, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


How do they rate for prototype accuracy? I've heard rumours that Lionels giraffe car was a fooby. 

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, 03:47 John Mateyko, <rattler21@...> wrote:
Both Lionel and MTH offered double door 50' boxcars with operating doors at one end.  John Mateyko


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce, Rob, et al.,
 
Can anyone make the number on the CP well flat?  The best I can do is CP 50xxx.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.

 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Here is a link to the larger image

But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen

 


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Allan Smith
 

See Attached photo

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 07:05:47 PM PST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Thanks Roger.   I feel a project coming on . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:18 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Tony Thompson
 

But wasn't it Richard's "train set bozos" comment that really did the FCL in?

That comment certainly raised temperatures, for sure, but I think it was some careless comments of a more personal nature, which the then-moderator refused to notice, that caused many of us to bail. Fair and consistent moderation is essential to civilized lists, IMO.

Tony Thompson




Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Tim O'Connor
 

Earl

LOL ! I'd forgotten that little dust up.

Here was my defense of Richard Hendrickson on 12/10/2000.
It was hardly the last word on the subject !! :-D

-------------------
To: The Freightcars List <freightcars@...>
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@...>
Subject: [FC] An apology? What for? And to whom?

What exactly was R.H. supposed to apologize for? As far
as I can tell, Richard simply disparaged a pretty vaguely
described group of nameless "trainset bozos". In no way can
anyone on this list accurately construe that to be a personal
attack -- unless in fact, they believe that term applies to
them. Who here does? This is political correctness without a
clue -- the P.C. police demanding a formal apology on behalf
of an imaginary offended party.

I consider the term "trainset bozo" to be just as acceptable
as "rivet counter", a term that is almost never used in a
supportive, nurturing manner. Why aren't the "vesties" down
on their knees begging our forgiveness for all the slings and
arrows we have suffered with? (Maybe because they don't care!)

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Marlborough, Massachusetts

-------------------

On 3/9/2022 9:38 PM, Earl Tuson wrote:

Tim,

But wasn't it Richard's "train set bozos" comment that really did the FCL in?

:D

Earl Tuson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Roger.   I feel a project coming on . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:18 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Earl Tuson
 

Tim,

But wasn't it Richard's "train set bozos" comment that really did the FCL in?

:D

Earl Tuson


Re: tank car identity

Tim O'Connor
 


Can't help with the tank car, but Curtis Candy did lease some 50 foot ice reefers. I wonder
where these reefers came from... :-\

Tim O'Connor


On 3/9/2022 8:04 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

A friend of mine is looking for some information on a tank car GATX #12578, built date 5-38 and is lettered for Curtis Candy Co. and their brand Baby Ruth.  Any help[ would be appreciated.

Larry Smith

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Tim O'Connor
 


I can make out the "54" fairly well... so I agree 5405 is most likely

And yeah, Bruce, that cable reel load is too cool! 8-)


On 3/9/2022 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


tank car identity

Larry Smith
 

A friend of mine is looking for some information on a tank car GATX #12578, built date 5-38 and is lettered for Curtis Candy Co. and their brand Baby Ruth.  Any help[ would be appreciated.

Larry Smith


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

ROGER HINMAN
 

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

yes, modelable scene, right!  

My current model building began with a small yard, interchange and depot, all located within about 200 yards to the south of this scene.   The idea of running tracks onto the various piers is very appealing. . . .  harder to do with a layout room though, as the bulk of trackage runs 90 degrees to these piers.  But i try . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!
   
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.
 
 
Rob
On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
 
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen 
 



Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

ROGER HINMAN
 

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.

 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Here is a link to the larger image

But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen

 


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

np328
 

We seem to keep circling around to this topic on a regular basis.
See posts go back into the Yahoo STMFC era. 
See posts 139158; 139164; 163462; 179445; These all are lead-ins to prior discussions. 
and there are photos on some of these posts. 
like these two: http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04500/8a04504v.jpg  and the whole car http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04500/8a04505v.jpg
I know I have posted other photos of older NP boxcars, hoppers, gons, all with tight, uniform wood sheathing and brought this topic up in the past also. 

     A modeling observation: I recall when Leighton Keiling observed in a 60s(?) MR that benchwork should be stout enough that if a locomotive stalls you can give the nearest table leg a good kick. Later when I and my brother joined a club in the basement of a hobby store in St. Paul, this wisdom had taken purchase with some of the members. Some ideas die hard.  

     Other observations: I know that my studied railroad maintained their cars as Garrison Keiler used to state of the Lake Wobegon kids: above average.  I know from factual study of reports between officers at the corporate level and from Mechanical files notes that my modeled railroad desired to heavy shop their cars about every seven years, heavy shop includes a paint job.  "Trust Reports", which were ledgers of cars bought by bonds floated by the railroad to purchase these cars required they be maintained for the bond trustees, hence the trust reports which was a document that could be called up to provide proof, along with car numbers and classifications of work done.  

     From that to data, to see a heavily weathered and/or distorted sheathing on a car modeled for my road the NP, or things like the NP Monad, be twelve years off after a new scheme came out, raises flags - to me

Yes, you could find a photo however I would have to question if that photo is typical or an outlier.
Then we get into the other argument of: Do models of exceptions an exceptional modeled railroad make? 

You can read Al Westerfield's reply in one of the above strings. That echos a comment Steve of F&C replied to me also. 
We here - look to accuracy, however the toy trainers also make enough purchases that it influences the market.     
           
 Your railroads history and practices regarding the upkeep of their rolling stock of course, could be quite different.  I've told you about the NP's. I'd like to hear about your railroad. 

Yes, these conversations well predate even the Yahoo STMFC.
     I recall , IIRC, Paul Janz who used to quite heavily weather SP model steam locomotives, and sent the photos into model magazine publishers, which in turn, generated mail to the publications he sent the photos to both pro and con.                                                                                                                                        James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen


Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Philip Dove
 

How do they rate for prototype accuracy? I've heard rumours that Lionels giraffe car was a fooby. 


On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, 03:47 John Mateyko, <rattler21@...> wrote:
Both Lionel and MTH offered double door 50' boxcars with operating doors at one end.  John Mateyko

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