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Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Thanks Bill for comments/updates here and on facebook. Brian didn't mention who he had obtained the info from. Great to see that you are working it on it and that a better model will result in the end. Looking forward to them coming out.

Regards,

Robert Bogie


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Right... regarding the.... errr..... boards....

My first project with Rapido was the GARX meat reefer. That was criticized on some groups as having too big a gap between the boards. In discussions with our tool shops since they told me that they were not able to do much smaller (a stock answer!), so this time I thought that I'd get clever and try something different on the USRA car to represent the boards - and yes, inspired a bit by the Tichy model. Well..... It didn't work! 

The models shown on the web site are first test shots wit ha quick coat of paint, and this whole discussion highlights teh problem with showing early samples! We are re-doing the sides, along with changing several other details like the stirrup steps. So Robert, Brian is correct (I was the one who told him that), and no it is not an expensive re-tooling job, and the SP boxcar has waiting to start tooling (teh design is compete) until this is worked out.

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


Re: SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 06:15 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
If those really are 1/4” fittings, the Iwata prices are shockingly expensive.  (Compare the Iwata AS12010 1/4” quick connector set [https://www.iwata-airbrush.com/14in-quick-disconnect-set.html] for $101.20 with the separate female [https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Brass-NPT-Coupler-M-1-4-in-Universal/50129868] and male https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Brass-NPT-Plug-M-1-4-in-Industrial/50126447 quick connectors at Lowes for $3.98 and $2.98 respectively, $6.96 total.)
 
Any decent hardware store should have the 1/4”, 1/8”, and 1/8” to or from 1/4” pipe thread fittings you’d need.  Those measurements, incidentally, refer to the inside diameter of the pipe or hose.  Also, pipe threads are tapered.
 
They say 1/4", but not what thread. It wouldn't surprise me if it's 1/4" BSP (British Standard Pipe) since that's the standard in Japan. You won't find these in a hardware store here in the US, but McMaster Carr sells a pretty complete line. If I recall, 1/4" BSP is an almost fit for American NPT (National Pipe Taper) but it's a bodge, and can damage the threads in a diecast housing, which the compressor surely is. If it was me, I'd take the compressor to a hardware or auto parts store and see if any of the male quick disconnect fittings will fit the coupler. They will be 1/4" NPT thread and you can go from there.

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Bruce Griffin
 

Bill,

Thank you for jumping into the discussion. And thank you and your team at Rapido for transparency. We all want to know more and I know it’s hard to have a project, any project of any type, critiqued while it is still in process. For me and hopefully many, it adds to our faith in your product development process. Good wishes on continued success. 
 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bill, Nelson, et al.,
 
If those really are 1/4” fittings, the Iwata prices are shockingly expensive.  (Compare the Iwata AS12010 1/4” quick connector set [https://www.iwata-airbrush.com/14in-quick-disconnect-set.html] for $101.20 with the separate female [https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Brass-NPT-Coupler-M-1-4-in-Universal/50129868] and male https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Brass-NPT-Plug-M-1-4-in-Industrial/50126447 quick connectors at Lowes for $3.98 and $2.98 respectively, $6.96 total.)
 
Any decent hardware store should have the 1/4”, 1/8”, and 1/8” to or from 1/4” pipe thread fittings you’d need.  Those measurements, incidentally, refer to the inside diameter of the pipe or hose.  Also, pipe threads are tapered.
 
Good hunting,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP
 

I have the Iwata Power Jet Pro compressor with quick disconnects at the compressor and on both airbrushes connected to it (essentially on both ends of the hoses). Here’s a link to the Iwata web page giving your hardware options.

 

Adaptors & Fittings: Anest Iwata-Medea, Inc. (iwata-airbrush.com)

 

You can also find adapters at any hardware store selling high pressure gas fixtures.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

 

I just received an Iwata Pro Jet compressor to replace my aging silent compressor.. The Iwata unit is equipped with quick connect connections on the output ports.  My lines to the spray booth and bead blaster have 1/4" fittings.  Is there a quick solution without having to redesign the whole system.

 

I thought that I had better ask before getting too aggressive with the wrench.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

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Re: SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Nelson:

It looks like as12011 (1/4" to quick release) would would solve my delemma..

Hope all else is well.

Bill



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From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Date: 3/10/22 3:34 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

I have the Iwata Power Jet Pro compressor with quick disconnects at the compressor and on both airbrushes connected to it (essentially on both ends of the hoses). Here’s a link to the Iwata web page giving your hardware options.

 

Adaptors & Fittings: Anest Iwata-Medea, Inc. (iwata-airbrush.com)

 

You can also find adapters at any hardware store selling high pressure gas fixtures.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

 

I just received an Iwata Pro Jet compressor to replace my aging silent compressor.. The Iwata unit is equipped with quick connect connections on the output ports.  My lines to the spray booth and bead blaster have 1/4" fittings.  Is there a quick solution without having to redesign the whole system.

 

I thought that I had better ask before getting too aggressive with the wrench.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Re: tank car identity

Philip Dove
 

Hobby line used to make an HO scale kit for a Baby Ruth Tank car it had a silver barrel, black underframe, black lettering except for the Baby Ruth which was large lettering in red with a black outline. I believe Hobbyline went out of production in the 1960s


Interesting roof photo

Tom Madden
 

This image was recently posted on the Lackawanna Facebook page. Curved roof, and the horizontal brake wheel is only maybe eight inches above the edge of the roof.

Tom Madden


Re: SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

Nelson Moyer
 

I have the Iwata Power Jet Pro compressor with quick disconnects at the compressor and on both airbrushes connected to it (essentially on both ends of the hoses). Here’s a link to the Iwata web page giving your hardware options.

 

Adaptors & Fittings: Anest Iwata-Medea, Inc. (iwata-airbrush.com)

 

You can also find adapters at any hardware store selling high pressure gas fixtures.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

 

I just received an Iwata Pro Jet compressor to replace my aging silent compressor.. The Iwata unit is equipped with quick connect connections on the output ports.  My lines to the spray booth and bead blaster have 1/4" fittings.  Is there a quick solution without having to redesign the whole system.

 

I thought that I had better ask before getting too aggressive with the wrench.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Scott H. Haycock
 



Is there a higher resolution version of this photo available to zoom in on?

Thanks 
Scott McDonald 


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Scott
 

Is there a higher resolution version of this photo available to zoom in on?

Thanks 
Scott McDonald 


Re: SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'd try to find a compatible male end for you hose. The compressor connection is probably metric, not 1/4 inch.
 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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On 03/10/2022 5:24 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


I just received an Iwata Pro Jet compressor to replace my aging silent compressor.. The Iwata unit is equipped with quick connect connections on the output ports.  My lines to the spray booth and bead blaster have 1/4" fittings.  Is there a quick solution without having to redesign the whole system.

I thought that I had better ask before getting too aggressive with the wrench.

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


SEEKING TECHNICSL HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I just received an Iwata Pro Jet compressor to replace my aging silent compressor.. The Iwata unit is equipped with quick connect connections on the output ports.  My lines to the spray booth and bead blaster have 1/4" fittings.  Is there a quick solution without having to redesign the whole system.

I thought that I had better ask before getting too aggressive with the wrench.

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Ian Cranstone
 

Looks like a depressed centre flat to me... CP numbers all of these cars in the 3099xx series. My best guess based on what I can see is CP 30992_, which corresponds to a group of 5 cars built by CP (likely from General Steel Castings kits) as CP 309925-309929 in late 1930.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


On 2022-03-10 00:04, Ralph W. Brown wrote:

Hi Bruce, Rob, et al.,
 
Can anyone make the number on the CP well flat?  The best I can do is CP 50xxx.


Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

ROGER HINMAN
 

The second photo is NRC 4552 from an earlier lot 5325 built in 1922 but very similar. Nice view of the reweigh block shows the car was stencilled at NRC’s shops in Cudahy, WI. This car will last until Sept 1951.

Roger Hinman




On Mar 10, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Thanks Allan - a nice sharp detail photo.  Surprisingly hard to find any of the 5400 number series.

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:

See Attached photo

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 07:05:47 PM PST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Thanks Roger.   I feel a project coming on . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:18 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Allan - a nice sharp detail photo.  Surprisingly hard to find any of the 5400 number series.

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:

See Attached photo

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 07:05:47 PM PST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Thanks Roger.   I feel a project coming on . . . 

Rob

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:18 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

There was no 7400 series in that time frame so looks like 5405 would be correct; that would make it Pullman Lot 5369, IRM has the drawings.


Roger Hinman

On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Its quite pixilated.  My guess would be 5405 or 7405.

Rob   

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, ROGER HINMAN via groups.io <rhinman11@...> wrote:

My eyes are getting old, can anyone read the number on the car?; I may be able to verify the info Larry gave is correct for this particular car. A large amount of their wood cars were renumbered in the 1940s

Roger Hinman


On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:35 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I am looking for modelling options for this NRC wood reefer.  I don’t know much about the NRC line except what i’ve picked up reading on this list.   Searching the archives, most of the previous conversations tend to be about later composite or all steel cars, and so i am not sure where to start for this one.  

Rob

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Re: End doors 50' boxcar

Tony Thompson
 



On Mar 8, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Melvin E. Chase <melcb29@...> wrote:

Hi Tony,  Would you share a photo of the end doors in the closed position of that Oriental brass model?

Sure. Here are photos of both open and closed doors. I painted the inside a wood color for obvious reasons.     Tony Thompson





Re: Rapido Trains Single Sheath Outside Braced Box Car models

Bill Schneider
 

Right... regarding the.... errr..... boards....

My first project with Rapido was the GARX meat reefer. That was criticized on some groups as having too big a gap between the boards. In discussions with our tool shops since they told me that they were not able to do much smaller (a stock answer!), so this time I thought that I'd get clever and try something different on the USRA car to represent the boards - and yes, inspired a bit by the Tichy model. Well..... It didn't work! 

The models shown on the web site are first test shots wit ha quick coat of paint, and this whole discussion highlights teh problem with showing early samples! We are re-doing the sides, along with changing several other details like the stirrup steps. So Robert, Brian is correct (I was the one who told him that), and no it is not an expensive re-tooling job, and the SP boxcar has waiting to start tooling (teh design is compete) until this is worked out.

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Robert kirkham
 

hi Ralph,

Well, looking at the 1941 Summary of Equipment for CPR, it would be in one of two 50+’ long series of cars starting 309XXX.  (I think the 8 hatch reefer to its right tells us its well over 43’).

  

My guess is 30992X, so one of the 5 cars in series 309925-309929, 54’ 5” long built in 1930.

I have not checked for additions to the roster after 1941, so not 100% certain.

Rob 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Hi Bruce, Rob, et al.,
 
Can anyone make the number on the CP well flat?  The best I can do is CP 50xxx.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:37 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 
Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
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CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. 

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.
 
 
Rob
On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
 
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Here is a link to the larger image
But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen 
 



Re: bus being delivered in an ERIE steel auto box with end doors...

Charlie Vlk
 

While the brands Lionel and MTH don’t evoke feelings of accurate product excellence over the past maybe two decades they have been a boon to 1/48 two rail modelers with state of the art scale locomotives, freight and passenger cars.  
Maybe not proto 48 level, but really nice for production models.
Charlie Vlk
And, by the way, I have a photo of a giraffe being delivered to the Brookfield Zoo (Illinois) in a boxcar.  No hole in the roof (it wasn’t that tall) but a “giraffe car” it was, at least while it was in transit!



On Mar 9, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


How do they rate for prototype accuracy? I've heard rumours that Lionels giraffe car was a fooby. 

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, 03:47 John Mateyko, <rattler21@...> wrote:
Both Lionel and MTH offered double door 50' boxcars with operating doors at one end.  John Mateyko


Re: Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce, Rob, et al.,
 
Can anyone make the number on the CP well flat?  The best I can do is CP 50xxx.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable reel and cable barge was NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48
 

Rob,

The heck with the NRC reefer, that CP heavy duty flat with what looks to be a load of cable for the B.C. Telephone Co. Cable Barge “BRICO” is an awesome vignette!

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] NRC wood sheathed reefer ID c1940-48

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Well, that’s embarrassing,  Thanks for catching it Jack.

 

On Mar 9, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Here is a link to the larger image

But there is no link...
...and the small image is quite interesting.

Jack Mullen

 

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