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Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Gary Ray
 

That is impressive!  I’ve only tried two and still haven’t mastered the process of sanding them thin without damage to the steel trusses.  Put them aside for another day.  Will have to get back to them. 

 

Bravo!

 

Gary Ray

Azle, TX

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Actually, it should be 27 stock cars. I only reported the 24 Sunshine CB&Q and one Westerfield RI. There was also another ATSF Westerfield and a GN Speedwitch car that I forgot about. I batch built the Q stock cars, and that was a mind boggling experience. I built them before I started taking in progress photos, but it was something to see with 24 cars spread out on the workbench. I attached a photo of the Q string, plus closeups of the other cars. I included the SM-18 underframe photo because the Challenger brass import and the Sunshine kit instructions are both incorrect about placement of the AB brake components, probably because both relied upon the Hundman drawing. No correct mechanical drawing has surfaced, but Ed Rethswisch researched the brake layout when he built his Sunshine kits. He noticed the instruction placement didn’t match the available photos, and I was the beneficiary of Ed’s work.

 

Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:14 PM
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Subject: Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Nelson
My hat is definitely off to anyone who’s built 25 resin stockcars.  I’ve built under 10 and have 6 Westerfield kits on the shelf to do (4 MP and 2 RI). I dread sanding away the resin between the slats and then the cleanup of each board.  I’ll get to them eventually built but a resin boxcar kit seems to jump ahead of the stockcar queue every time.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 


Re: New York Central well-hole car

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Ed!
 
For that price and with the electrical pick-ups and the additional detail of brake cylinders and rods and leverage still no match for (a bunch of) freight cars - likely they have 36" wheels and a larger wheel base than the freight trucks - but good to know nonetheless! May be very useful for other projects! (I guess these trucks likely are from their CP 4-6-4 steam engine.)
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
 
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Regarding Buckeye trucks, it looks like Rapido sells one as well (#102111).

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Ed Robinson


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

And apologies to Ed for misspelling Rethwisch in the first post

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:14 PM
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Subject: Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Nelson
My hat is definitely off to anyone who’s built 25 resin stockcars.  I’ve built under 10 and have 6 Westerfield kits on the shelf to do (4 MP and 2 RI). I dread sanding away the resin between the slats and then the cleanup of each board.  I’ll get to them eventually built but a resin boxcar kit seems to jump ahead of the stockcar queue every time.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

Actually, it should be 27 stock cars. I only reported the 24 Sunshine CB&Q and one Westerfield RI. There was also another ATSF Westerfield and a GN Speedwitch car that I forgot about. I batch built the Q stock cars, and that was a mind boggling experience. I built them before I started taking in progress photos, but it was something to see with 24 cars spread out on the workbench. I attached a photo of the Q string, plus closeups of the other cars. I included the SM-18 underframe photo because the Challenger brass import and the Sunshine kit instructions are both incorrect about placement of the AB brake components, probably because both relied upon the Hundman drawing. No correct mechanical drawing has surfaced, but Ed Rethswisch researched the brake layout when he built his Sunshine kits. He noticed the instruction placement didn’t match the available photos, and I was the beneficiary of Ed’s work.

 

Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Nelson
My hat is definitely off to anyone who’s built 25 resin stockcars.  I’ve built under 10 and have 6 Westerfield kits on the shelf to do (4 MP and 2 RI). I dread sanding away the resin between the slats and then the cleanup of each board.  I’ll get to them eventually built but a resin boxcar kit seems to jump ahead of the stockcar queue every time.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 


Re: STILE BENDER

Douglas Harding
 

I placed an order with them last night about 9:30pm, had an email about 1am this morning saying the item was shipped with expected delivery in 3 days. A USPS tracking number was given from a PO in Ill. It will take me longer than to get around to using the new items for assembling freight cars.

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of fire5506 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] STILE BENDER

 

Are you talking about something like this? http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_225&products_id=28&osCsid=65d6da0e6d66f60a852de48fa53279d9
I saw that they were having problems shipping international but are shipping Express and priority mail, which I take as they are shipping to the US.


Richard 


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

O Fenton Wells
 

I have been going through the same issues but there is no kit for the Southern car.  And it has open slated ends. I haven't figured out how to scratch or bash them so far.
Fenton

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
Nelson
My hat is definitely off to anyone who’s built 25 resin stockcars.  I’ve built under 10 and have 6 Westerfield kits on the shelf to do (4 MP and 2 RI). I dread sanding away the resin between the slats and then the cleanup of each board.  I’ll get to them eventually built but a resin boxcar kit seems to jump ahead of the stockcar queue every time.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: STILE BENDER

fire5506
 

Are you talking about something like this? http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_225&products_id=28&osCsid=65d6da0e6d66f60a852de48fa53279d9
I saw that they were having problems shipping international but are shipping Express and priority mail, which I take as they are shipping to the US.


Richard 


Re: ATSF boxcar with grain doors

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Vandevoort wrote:

I guess it would be prototypical to leave the doors open if the car was empty and the ripped paper was still there.
Most railroads had a directive that any open doors were to be closed for transit.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Charlie Duckworth
 

Nelson
My hat is definitely off to anyone who’s built 25 resin stockcars.  I’ve built under 10 and have 6 Westerfield kits on the shelf to do (4 MP and 2 RI). I dread sanding away the resin between the slats and then the cleanup of each board.  I’ll get to them eventually built but a resin boxcar kit seems to jump ahead of the stockcar queue every time.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Charlie Duckworth
 

The other guys already answered your question.  On the Mopac Sunshine Model, Westerfield and the Rock Express stockcar there’s no vertical surface for the horizontal wood slats to glue against. If you glue them to the end of the car you run the risk of someone picking the car up and popping the glue joint loose.  By gluing the 1” x 10” inside it gives a shelf for the horizontal shapes to butt up against for extra strength. 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 10:51 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
Charlie, I've built maybe a dozen resin stockcar kits, but gotta ask, what's a floating slat?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

I was about to post my method for attaching stock car sides to ends on flat kits, then this question popped up. I’m not Charlie, but floating slats are all of the slats between the top and bottom slat which he glues to the ends first. The stick aligns the unglued (floating) slats with the top and bottom slats.

 

Now for my method. I drape a small piece of wax paper over the end of a wood 2x2, place the side on top of the 2x2 with the end held against the end of the 2x2. Than I glue the top and bottom slats just like Charlie. After the CA cures enough to hold, I tack glue the rest of the slats to the ends. If you have trouble holding the sides and ends together, you can clamp the side to the wood block and just hold the end while gluing. I make two side/end pieces, then glue the two together. To do that, I clamp a piece of 1x2 to the workbench, put a small piece of wax paper over the edge, hold the side/end joint together, and apply CA to all of the slats. Repeat this for the other corner, closing the box. After the CA has cured, I apply another application or gap filling CA to all of the joints on the inside of the car. This method has worked for 25 flat kit stock cars, with properly aligned slats.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Charlie, I've built maybe a dozen resin stockcar kits, but gotta ask, what's a floating slat?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: STILE BENDER

Bruce Smith
 

RJ, Folks

 

Actually, you just need to change your technique a little and the etch bending tool such as the etchmate work great. I learned this from Pierre’s video.

 

I place the stile on an outside edge – where the top and bottom of the tool stop at the same point – with the stile half in and half out of the tool, longitudinally. I then push that edge of the tool onto a hard surface (I have a small piece of aluminum plate on my desk) at a slight angle to start the bend and then just push it straight down. It takes less time to do than to describe and works great every time. I can see where the UMM tool is doing the same thing, with perhaps a little more control, but I just wanted to point out that the etchmate type tools are actually very easy and functional for bending stiles.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of radiodial868 <radiodial57@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:48 AM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] STILE BENDER

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

That was me with a UMM issue. Got it to work this morning.

Last night, whenever you hit the Checkout button, it would dump the contents of your cart, log you out, and put you back on this page.  Rinse, Repeat...

Evidently it got fixed during the night. 
I ordered this (among other things) for the YMW stiles:
MN004 UMM™ 3D Photo Etch Elbow Bender

I have a Mission Models Etchmate, but all it does is mangle the stiles. Requires you to push a razor blade underneath the etching and then fold up, all the while trying to keep the edge of the razor blade from moving.  Bogus. The blade usually gets wedged.
This little UMM guy behaves more like a conventional sheet metal brake.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Bruce Smith
 

RJ,

 

Unlike many kits, where the end of the side includes some solid or rigid piece of the end to border the end of the slats, these kits apparently have sides that end with slats “free floating” at the end of the side.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of radiodial868 <radiodial57@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:51 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Charlie, I've built maybe a dozen resin stockcar kits, but gotta ask, what's a floating slat?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

radiodial868
 

Charlie, I've built maybe a dozen resin stockcar kits, but gotta ask, what's a floating slat?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: STILE BENDER

radiodial868
 

That was me with a UMM issue. Got it to work this morning.
Last night, whenever you hit the Checkout button, it would dump the contents of your cart, log you out, and put you back on this page.  Rinse, Repeat...
Evidently it got fixed during the night. 
I ordered this (among other things) for the YMW stiles:
MN004 UMM™ 3D Photo Etch Elbow Bender
I have a Mission Models Etchmate, but all it does is mangle the stiles. Requires you to push a razor blade underneath the etching and then fold up, all the while trying to keep the edge of the razor blade from moving.  Bogus. The blade usually gets wedged.
This little UMM guy behaves more like a conventional sheet metal brake.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Charlie Duckworth
 

Am building the Rock Island stockcar available from Rocket Express. Before attaching the body to the underframe I took an image of how I keep the wood slats at the end straight in line.  Once I have the ends attached to the top and bottom of the side I use a piece of wood HO 1” x10” to provide a shelf for the floating slats to but up against. Once painted the 1” exposed is hardly seen.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ATSF boxcar with grain doors

Tim O'Connor
 


One torn, one intact, seen from the interior - with steel banding holding it in place.

On 3/31/2022 5:12 PM, Ken Vandevoort wrote:
I only have one memory of paper grain doors.  My cousin and I built a club house on my uncle's property next to the Rock Island's K&D in Pella, Iowa during the 50's and that was where we watched trains.  The local was returning to Des Moines and there was a 40 ft. boxcar with the door open and the paper doors had been ripped open for unloading.  I guess it would be prototypical to leave the doors open if the car was empty and the ripped paper was still there.

Ken Vandevoort

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: HO scale shingles

Tim O'Connor
 


That's right. We onlu give out "RPM participation awards" ! :-D



On 3/31/2022 4:46 PM, Jason P wrote:
Ray,
I'm not sure what you mean be a "vestie" or what you may have against contests but I personally find that entering them has made me a better modeler.

-Jason P

And contests? What are those? Things vesties participate in? I thought we were beyond those as proto modelers.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

On Thursday, March 31, 2022, 12:03:13 PM CDT, Gordon <boomer1944@...> wrote:


I'm completing a building using the Plastruct shake shingles John has mentioned. "Good enough" for my layout as well but not contest quality for sure. My only objection is the shingles have rounded edges and are not flat. I use Scotch Super 77 spray adhesive to get them to stick to the subroof.
Gordon


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Need instruction sheet for Sunshine Kit #62.5 UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

Chuck Cover
 

List,

I am looking for the Sunshine kit #62.5 instruction sheet.  The kit I purchased arrived without it.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Please contact me off-list at:  chuck.cover@...

Thanks
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: STILE BENDER

Scott
 

I just got some stuff from UMM USA a few weeks ago.  Fast shipping as usual.  A person could spend a lot of money there.

Scott McDonald 

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