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Re: Poultry Car and Bobber Caboose Images

O Fenton Wells
 

Great shots, Claus, thanks for sharing, and I'm not even a Reading fan but really wonderful railroad shots.
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:31 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Tom and List Members,
 
To make it easier for others, here are some links...
 

The “RDG 2-8-0 2048” file shows a poultry car immediately behind the engine. Cannot see the name/number, but the photo establishes a time and place for such a car to appear (Reading, PA 4/31). 

 
 

The “RDG 2-10-2 3001” file shows the big engine coupled onto the rear of a train. Speculating now, it appears the engine is in helper service and ready to start a shoving move. Yet the car immediately ahead is a four-wheel bobber caboose. Not sure if I have ever seen a photo of this type of big rear-end helper/small four-wheel caboose combo this late in the game (Reading, PA 5/32).  

 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2022 7:24 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car and Bobber Caboose Images

Folks: 

The most recent photo dump posted to the Fallen Flags site has two photos of freight car interest:  

The “RDG 2-8-0 2048” file shows a poultry car immediately behind the engine. Cannot see the name/number, but the photo establishes a time and place for such a car to appear (Reading, PA 4/31). 

The “RDG 2-10-2 3001” file shows the big engine coupled onto the rear of a train. Speculating now, it appears the engine is in helper service and ready to start a shoving move. Yet the car immediately ahead is a four-wheel bobber caboose. Not sure if I have ever seen a photo of this type of big rear-end helper/small four-wheel caboose combo this late in the game (Reading, PA 5/32).  

Tom Devenny 

East Norriton, PA  




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Re: Candidates for Accurail cars

Rich Gibson
 

4100 series works for MEC 35001-35300 after removing fish belly underframe.

Rich Gibson


Re: Poultry Car and Bobber Caboose Images

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tom and List Members,
 
To make it easier for others, here are some links...
 

The “RDG 2-8-0 2048” file shows a poultry car immediately behind the engine. Cannot see the name/number, but the photo establishes a time and place for such a car to appear (Reading, PA 4/31). 

 
 

The “RDG 2-10-2 3001” file shows the big engine coupled onto the rear of a train. Speculating now, it appears the engine is in helper service and ready to start a shoving move. Yet the car immediately ahead is a four-wheel bobber caboose. Not sure if I have ever seen a photo of this type of big rear-end helper/small four-wheel caboose combo this late in the game (Reading, PA 5/32).  

 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2022 7:24 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car and Bobber Caboose Images

Folks: 

The most recent photo dump posted to the Fallen Flags site has two photos of freight car interest:  

The “RDG 2-8-0 2048” file shows a poultry car immediately behind the engine. Cannot see the name/number, but the photo establishes a time and place for such a car to appear (Reading, PA 4/31). 

The “RDG 2-10-2 3001” file shows the big engine coupled onto the rear of a train. Speculating now, it appears the engine is in helper service and ready to start a shoving move. Yet the car immediately ahead is a four-wheel bobber caboose. Not sure if I have ever seen a photo of this type of big rear-end helper/small four-wheel caboose combo this late in the game (Reading, PA 5/32).  

Tom Devenny 

East Norriton, PA  



Re: Hinckley & Schmitt water car

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Phillip,
 
Insulating layer - good possibility.
 
You also wrote: "On the other hand whoever heard of a steam locomotive with a lagged tender tank?". Good question - could the water in the tender freeze? Why not? Perhaps there is a way to inject steam into the tender cistern to keep the water from freezing if a locomotive is out in extreme cold for extended periods of time? Just a guess on my part!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hinckley & Schmitt water car

I think we are looking at an insulating layer if you enlarge the picture you can see lots of vertical lines that might be a wrapping of insulation. Insulating a water car that might freeze would seem logical as expanding ice could burst the tank. On the other hand whoever heard of a steam locomotive with a lagged tender tank?.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 20:08 ron christensen via groups.io, <rxensen=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I found this picture in a group of unsorted pictures.
 I did not take the picture, probably bought it.
It was with a group of Iowa pictures. There wasn't anything written on the back.
HSTX 1008
Ron Christensen


Re: Hinckley & Schmitt water car

Philip Dove
 

I think we are looking at an insulating layer if you enlarge the picture you can see lots of vertical lines that might be a wrapping of insulation. Insulating a water car that might freeze would seem logical as expanding ice could burst the tank. On the other hand whoever heard of a steam locomotive with a lagged tender tank?.


On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 20:08 ron christensen via groups.io, <rxensen=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I found this picture in a group of unsorted pictures.
 I did not take the picture, probably bought it.
It was with a group of Iowa pictures. There wasn't anything written on the back.
HSTX 1008
Ron Christensen


Re: Candidates for Accurail cars

Brian Carlson
 

Clark LNE 8001- 8750 were 1923 ARA Steel Sheathed cars.The roofs were flat panel and later rebuilt with diagonal panel roofs after WW2. They are NOTHING like any accurail kit. Now 7001-7200 are SS cars. When I discussed these cars in my clinic I was informed they were rebuilt from flats. I haven't been able to confirm that. They were built in 1916. I suppose you could start with an Accurail 7000 series 6 Panel car but the ends are wrong, the roof is wrong, and the sides would need modification. 

Brian Carlson 

On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 07:46:18 PM EDT, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


I was just browsing through the "Classic Freight Cars" 40' box car books. I found some candidates that might work using Accurail cars.
CN 573500-574699 really cool double door car. Would like to know a little about the proto, like what roof it had?
CB&Q 28000-28599 Looks shorter and not sure of the roof?
LNE 8001-8750 again the roof is not easy to identify
GB&W 6000-6298 I can see if these cars had fishbelly underframes, ends and door, but the roofs car a mystery.

Thanks for any help given. Would like to turn my Accurail SS kits into something useable on the layout.
Clark

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Re: Candidates for Accurail cars

Allan Smith
 

 
The Accurail 7100 kit would be a good start for a CB&Q 26000 class boxcar, it is 9'4" IH while the 28000 is 10' IH. Accurail has two car numbers in the 26000 series. These cars had Murphy raised panel roofs and 4-5 dreadnaught ends, six panel sides,  SEE RPC 31-32 Page 65-67.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 04:46:19 PM PDT, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


I was just browsing through the "Classic Freight Cars" 40' box car books. I found some candidates that might work using Accurail cars.
CN 573500-574699 really cool double door car. Would like to know a little about the proto, like what roof it had?
CB&Q 28000-28599 Looks shorter and not sure of the roof?
LNE 8001-8750 again the roof is not easy to identify
GB&W 6000-6298 I can see if these cars had fishbelly underframes, ends and door, but the roofs car a mystery.

Thanks for any help given. Would like to turn my Accurail SS kits into something useable on the layout.
Clark


Re: LOOKING FOR A PROTOTYPE BOXCAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thank You Al:

Yet Another example of forgotten articles in Rail Model Journal, Model Railroading and Mainline Modeler.

My question is generated by the unique inderframe that these cars used.  They had a single beam center sill. As can be seen on  the early car in this article the levers and brake piping pass under the center sill. As the cars were converted to AB brakes this arrangement seems to disappear in the photos that I have and the later car. in this article.  I am trying to determine the layout of the brake piping and components as this conversion was made.

It is unfortunate that there is not a listing of the hundreds of museums throughout the country much less the equipment contained in them.

Bill Pardie


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From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 4/9/22 5:22 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LOOKING FOR A PROTOTYPE BOXCAR


See article in Railmodel Journal attached

Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 07:40:51 PM PDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


Does anyone know if a Union Pacific B-50-20 50' boxcar has survived in any railroad museun?

Bill Pardie



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Re: LOOKING FOR A PROTOTYPE BOXCAR

Allan Smith
 


See article in Railmodel Journal attached

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 07:40:51 PM PDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


Does anyone know if a Union Pacific B-50-20 50' boxcar has survived in any railroad museun?

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

akerboomk
 

Note on 10096 the “repacked” date (lower right corner) was ?4-22-32?

 

RE: Nip in top-left corner of door”

Looks to me like there is a sheet metal “hood” covering a potential leak spot – or am I seeing things?

 

Ken


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LOOKING FOR A PROTOTYPE BOXCAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Does anyone know if a Union Pacific B-50-20 50' boxcar has survived in any railroad museun?

Bill Pardie



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SPS gons, new 1949

Dave Nelson
 


Candidates for Accurail cars

Clark Propst
 

I was just browsing through the "Classic Freight Cars" 40' box car books. I found some candidates that might work using Accurail cars.
CN 573500-574699 really cool double door car. Would like to know a little about the proto, like what roof it had?
CB&Q 28000-28599 Looks shorter and not sure of the roof?
LNE 8001-8750 again the roof is not easy to identify
GB&W 6000-6298 I can see if these cars had fishbelly underframes, ends and door, but the roofs car a mystery.

Thanks for any help given. Would like to turn my Accurail SS kits into something useable on the layout.
Clark


Re: Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

np328
 

     The SP&S was jointly owned by the NP & GN and officers of the GN and NP jointly served on the board of the SP&S. 
And top SP&S positions toggled between GN or NP every couple years.
Of every dollar of profit the SP&S made fifty cents went to - those other guys. 
That lead to some rather lengthy exchanges in letters GN > NP and back and forth when someone felt the other one was shirking responsibility. 
And these exchanges cover decades in some instances. 
Sound like the makings of a volatile mix?  
    Getting back to the boxcar. 
Externalities were that the depression is on, and at this point, rather full on. 
Interesting is photo was by a valuation engineer. 
What I first noticed was the nip in the upper left corner of the door.                       
I have researched on the evolution of paint stencils from the teens onward however I feel not enough to present in a meaningful way even to an NP group.
We have had presentations on paint, etc. to our group however that was a everything including the kitchen sink kind of presentation. 
And the USRA years in the NP files have a noticeable sparseness. I think Eric would know more on USRA practices.   
         I would need to do some research into my files before doing a further commentary.                                                                              James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Eric Hansmann
 

Ken,

 

Attached is an image of an NP boxcar with what seems like a 1933 weigh stencil.

 

SP&S may have followed NP practices at some point, just not in the early 1930s.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

 

Didn't SP&S largely follow NP practices...
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Re: Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Ken Adams
 

Didn't SP&S largely follow NP practices...
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Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Eric Hansmann
 

I see a 1932 weigh date stencil at the far end of the car side. I wonder why the SP&S continued to use older lettering guidelines nearly a decade after they were updated. Here are the elements that are not current to 1932 practices.

 

  • The US Safety Appliances stencil requirement was discontinued in 1925
  • Cubic Capacity data was moved to the right end of the car with 1927 revisions
  • Load Limit became a preferred data line in 1925
  • Abbreviations for CAPY, LT WT, and LD LMT came into use in 1927
  • Dimensions presented on the right side were revised in 1925 with abbreviations preferred
  • The hardware inventory on the right side was removed from the recommendations in 1927

 

Here’s a PDF that illustrates the changes in lettering recommendations that came into use in 1927.
hansmanns.org/ARA_lettering_guidelines_1920_+_1927.pdf

 

Some railroads started applying these recommendations to new cars delivered in 1926, while others chose to use their own standards into the 1930s. Early 1930s photos of freight cars owned by the NP, NYC, and a few other lines will show the home road preferences.

 

Possibly that’s the path taken by the SP&S.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 11:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

 

Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Photo from the Oregon Historical Society:

https://digitalcollections.ohs.org/sp-s-freight-railcar

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Individual vertical boards are very evident.

Car built in 1919. Has the stencil “United States Safety-Appliance Standard” from 1911 Railroad Safety Appliance Act amendment.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Portable Fan Precooling

Bob Chaparro
 

Portable Fan Precooling

The text and photo are from the USDA publication, Technical Bulletin No. 505, Refrigeration Of Oranges In Transit From California, dated

January 1936.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup

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By the portable fan method of precooling, the warm fruit is loaded into an iced car and 1 or 2 fans of propeller type are installed at the top opening of the bunker at each end of the car.

These fans are held in place by special fittings which direct the air coming from the ice bunkers entirely through the fans, and are operated by small electric motors, the wiring of which is carried out of the car at the top of the doorway and is attached to the power line of the packing house. The fans pull the car air into the ice bunkers through the bottom opening and force it out over

the top of the load, thus reversing the normal circulation of air in the car. Some shippers apply salt to the ice during precooling in order to speed up the rate of cooling. After precooling, the

bunkers are replenished by the shipper before the car is moved.

This system of fan precooling is an outgrowth of the original portable car precooler described by Galloway, where small motor-driven blowers were installed in the bunkers directly under the

hatch plugs, which pulled air up through the ice and discharged it into the body of the car through the top bunker opening.

 


Photo: GN Reefer 91300 (1910)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: GN Reefer 91300 (1910)

Photo from the Oregon Historical Society:

https://digitalcollections.ohs.org/great-northern-railroad-refrigerator-car

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Notice the small door on the left side. Anyone know its purpose?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP&S Boxcar 10098

Photo from the Oregon Historical Society:

https://digitalcollections.ohs.org/sp-s-freight-railcar

Click on the photo twice for maximum enlargement.

Individual vertical boards are very evident.

Car built in 1919. Has the stencil “United States Safety-Appliance Standard” from 1911 Railroad Safety Appliance Act amendment.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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