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Fw: Three dome tank car

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

This three dome tank car showed up trailing a steam loco, the main reason for the image.  I can make out the word Rose, Maybe White Rose?

The photo was taken after 1938, but can't find White Rose in the ORER.  What is the company name and what reporting marks did they use?  Any ideas on the builder of the 3 dome tank?  All the domes appear to be the same size.

Ted Schnepf
Elgin, Ill. 60120


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Re: All for now...

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking great. 
Fenton 


On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


I’m waiting till I get some parts from Chad Boas for another project before I order decals for both. So, this is it for now...Will drive me crazy not to finish it....
 
Thanks to all who offered assistance!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
LNE 1.jpgLNE 2.jpg


All for now...

Clark Propst
 

I’m waiting till I get some parts from Chad Boas for another project before I order decals for both. So, this is it for now...Will drive me crazy not to finish it....
 
Thanks to all who offered assistance!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Suitable HO trucks for MILW70500-713999 series mid 1940s

Robert kirkham
 

I’m working on one of the Sunshine kits for the very common Milwaukee Road SS boxcars, and could use a hand in selecting the appropriate trucks to run them on.    

I’m looking at photo from the 1930s through 1950s, which appear to show similar - though not identical - features, as attached.  Picking spotting features, i see:
- top & bottom of the side frames have three distinct, more or less straight sections each - a centre horizontal section, and two sloping to the journals.
- the frame cross section appears to be a U shaped casting and the journals appear cast integrally into the frame
- the bolster ends are open looking, with the top recessed.
- the large centre opening, where the bolster end inserts above the springs, is narrower in width at top, compared to where the spring package is mounted. 
- the large openings either side of the bolster/spring area are (roughly) comprised of 4 distinct sides connected by rounded corners, with:
- the side of the opening next to the spring/bolsters is not vertical, but a straight run between the corners, sloping in, toward the bolster end, at top.
- the short side of the opening (next to the bolster) is near vertical.
- the sides of the opening at top and bottom are approx straight, and run approx. parallel to the outer frame shape.
- the lower diagonals of the frame do not have a pinched look, with extra material protruding down in the middle. 

I have had a look at the Tahoe, Kadee, Accurail and Rapido ranges for reference.  
- Tahoe’s TMW 206, Buckeye ARA 50 ton truck bears some resemblance to this, though the openings either side of the springs/bolster are more a rounded triangle (rather than rounded 4 sided shapes).  Also, it appears to be a smaller truck and lacks the U cross section (as they all do),
- Tahoes TMW 214, 40 ton ARA trucks with Barber lateral motion detail appear closer in some ways, except the long side of the openings on either side of the springs/bolsters does not slope toward the bolsters, and has a pronounced jog in it.
- Tahoe’s TMW 213 Barber S2 truck has the rounded triangular openings (rather than 4 sided openings) on either side of springs/bolster ends, but do have the inward sloping side without a jog in it. 
- Tahoe’s TMW 215 ARA 40 ton trucks are closest in many ways, only differing as they lack the inward sloping side of the openings near the bolster/springs, and have the jog along that side of the opening.
- Kadee - no trucks with correct opening shapes
- Accurail Bettendorf - has rounded triangular opening and other significant differences.
- Rapidos 40 ton UL channel ARA freight trucks have the four sided openings (except the side of the openings next to bolsters/ springs is the jogged type, not the sloped straight type.  It has an approx correct outer frame shape.  Bolster ends would need modification.

I wonder if there is a more exactly suitable, well running truck out there I am missing?     Recommendations from MILW Road modellers?

Rob Kirkham

  


Re: St. Louis RPM

Steve SANDIFER
 

My updated latest greatest Windows 10 sometimes drops a period in a link so clicking on www.stlrpm.com may yield wwwstlrpm.com. Happens to me all the time.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Mumper
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 3:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] St. Louis RPM

 

Thanks everybody.  This is the usual head slapper as I forgot to try my phone before emailing.  Chrome and IE on a windows 7 machine did not work.  My Android phone on Chrome worked as did my windows 10 machine on Chrome.  Not sure why it doesn't work, but it doesn't matter now.

Eric Mumper


IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Andy Carlson
 

And, unfortunately for us modelers, the Intermountain 5/5 EDE is about 0.040" too narrow to fit a Branchline car, which complicates the otherwise easy kitbash.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, April 22, 2022, 10:25:25 AM PDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


The Branchline 10-6 kit does not include 5-5 ends. Ergo Intermountain. 

Brian J. Carlson 




Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Tim O'Connor
 


lol - no sorry I missed that meet

I assumed we were only talking about the Branchline 1937 AAR kits and not the postwar cars
since those are not relevant to Charlie's question


On 4/22/2022 1:16 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Tim O'Connor asked:
"I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B?

I meant Lot 730-B is a 10 ft 6 in Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar with 5/5 ends, and not the Postwar AAR boxcar represented by the Branchline Blueprint / Atlas kit.

"The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars"

Correct.  You must have looked at the handout from my NYCS boxcar talk that I gave last week on Hindsight 20/20 13.0.


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Brian Carlson
 

The Branchline 10-6 kit does not include 5-5 ends. Ergo Intermountain. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Brian

Why is that relevant? The IHB cars had W-corner ends for both types of car.


On 4/22/2022 1:02 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Seth Lakin
 

Builders photos of both series of cars are on the New York Central System Historical Society online photo archive. Lower res photos are free, higher resolution scans only cost a couple of dollars. 

Lot 729-B IHB 10000-10599 10’IH DSI 1944

https://nycshs.omeka.net/search?query=729-B&query_type=exact_match&record_types%5B%5D=Item&submit_search=Search

Lot 730-B IHB 10600-10999 10’6” IH DSI 1944
https://nycshs.omeka.net/search?query=730-b&query_type=exact_match&record_types%5B%5D=Item&submit_search=Search


Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B?

I meant Lot 730-B is a 10 ft 6 in Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar with 5/5 ends, and not the Postwar AAR boxcar represented by the Branchline Blueprint / Atlas kit.

"The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars"

Correct.  You must have looked at the handout from my NYCS boxcar talk that I gave last week on Hindsight 20/20 13.0.


Ben Hom


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

Why is that relevant? The IHB cars had W-corner ends for both types of car.


On 4/22/2022 1:02 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Brian Carlson
 

Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


RPC request

Ken O'Brien
 

gentlemen,

Looking to purchase a few older RPCs that I missed. Have looked in my usual sources, but no luck. I'm looking for Issues 23, 28 and 29.

If you have extra copies or purchasing info, please reply off line to me.

Ken O'Brien


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Charlie Duckworth
 

Ben
Thanks!  

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 10:07 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: NYC Automobile Car Date

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

I just remembered that there were links to photos posted in the discussion of the carbody in an Indiana field.
Here is the builder's photo, showing the original roof:
https://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-62475.jpg

Here is the same type of car with a 1935 scale date:
https://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-260035.jpg

Note the S in the car number. Also note the distinctive wood door stops the NYC added at some point. The car in your photo has not had them applied yet. Does anyone know when these were applied?

Dennis Storzek


Re: IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


Re: NYC Automobile Car Date

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 08:00 PM, Matt Goodman wrote:
Hi Dennis - hopefully the attached helps. 
Matt,
Actually, I was trying to help you out. Forty years ago I did patterns for this car, and at that time I looked at a lot of photos, and the few remaining prototypes. One of the things I recall is none of the photos, other than the builder's photos, had the original roofs. They were built with outside metal roofs identifiable by the cast clamps that held the end of the seam caps. These predated the introduction of "flexible" metal roofs, and appearantly didn't hold up well. Unfortunately, the enlarged photo is not clear enough to see whether the car has these clamps.

No great loss, because, subsequent to my requesting a larger photo, I remember being in one of these cars in Marquette, MI where a building materials dealer was using it for storage. On the side plate over the door along with the original NYC number was stenciled, "NEW ROOF APPLIED E. ROCHESTER" and a date in 1922. I recall thinking at the time that it was unusual that a six year old car should need a new roof, but does help explain the lack of in-service photos with the original roofs. Anyway, that early date just happens to match your earliest date of use of the sign, so even if we could see the roof, it would prove nothing. Sorry.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Reading,P&R class RMj reefers

Eric Hansmann
 

A great resource PDF on these Reading reefers can be downloaded from this page of the Reading Modeler site. No photos, but some interesting data.

http://www.readingmodeler.info/index.php/component/content/article/99-rolling-stock-reference-files/freight/215-reading-company-refrigerator-cars

 

Side and end photos are also in the AC&F photo collection available from Westerfield Models.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of lrkdbn via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 8:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Reading,P&R class RMj reefers

 

Dear group
I am looking for information on the Reading RR's class RMj reefers built by ACF in 1923.These were "outside braced" cars-unusual for reefers. In particular I need info on the underframe construction.(I am already aware of the Model Railroader drawing of this car from ca. 1960).Anything would help, even wreck photos,etc.
Larry King


Another hopper

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works has added another road name for their Enterprise design, 33-foot, offset-side, twin hopper kit. Details are in the latest blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/another-hopper-kit-addition/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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