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Re: Placards

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tony
Thanks for the link. 

Charlie 

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 3:13 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
    I’m late to this topic because I was out of town, but my blog contains several posts about model tank car placards. I might recommend this one, if you’re interested:


You can search the whole blog by using the search box at top right of any post, for what you want specifically.

Tony Thompson




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Placards

Tony Thompson
 

    I’m late to this topic because I was out of town, but my blog contains several posts about model tank car placards. I might recommend this one, if you’re interested:


You can search the whole blog by using the search box at top right of any post, for what you want specifically.

Tony Thompson




Re: National Freight Car Fleet

O Fenton Wells
 

Here you go Bob this may help.  I couldn't find my power point but I found the ICC data I used.  My filing system nees improvement.


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:19 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
I've been searching our files and message posts without luck for data on the overall national freight car fleet. How big was it by year?
Any suggestions as to where to look for the data?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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Fenton Wells
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Re: National Freight Car Fleet

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

I've been searching our files and message posts without luck for data on the overall national freight car fleet. How big was it by year?
Any suggestions as to where to look for the data?
Every volume of the Car Cyc.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Chicago Great Western Box Cars 87420 and 87572

Lester Breuer
 

  • I have built and upgraded two Chicago Great Western (CGW), Box Cars 87420 and 87572.  If you are interested in the build and upgrade of these box cars  including resin cast reverse three panel doors (Modelers call “Creco Doors).  And, addition of other parts not in the kit.  Photos and writeup of the upgrade process including painting and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
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Re: National Freight Car Fleet

Ray Breyer
 

Numbers are all over the place, but you have to dig. The MCBA, ARA, and AAR all kept records of cars, as did several agencies within the Federal Government. Later ORERs also have numbers for principle Class One road fleet sizes.

Personally, I tabulate ALL of the roads in each ORER.

Note that none of these numbers will match, and none are truly "accurate". Numbers were pulled from all over the place, at various times, and since there were constant and nearly daily additions and subtractions in the fleet, the best we can ever come up with is a good faith estimated number.

I've attached my tabulations for 1919, 1930. and 1950.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




On Monday, May 2, 2022, 01:19:54 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


I've been searching our files and message posts without luck for data on the overall national freight car fleet. How big was it by year?
Any suggestions as to where to look for the data?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: National Freight Car Fleet

O Fenton Wells
 

Bob, I may have that for a clinic I did at Collinsville a few years ago
Let me look
Fenton

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:19 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
I've been searching our files and message posts without luck for data on the overall national freight car fleet. How big was it by year?
Any suggestions as to where to look for the data?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


National Freight Car Fleet

Bob Chaparro
 

I've been searching our files and message posts without luck for data on the overall national freight car fleet. How big was it by year?
Any suggestions as to where to look for the data?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


EXCTRACTIBNG POHOTOS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Congratulations to those who have put forth time and effort to present the HINDSIGHT PRESENTATIONS recently. This has filled in the gap; with the lack of RPM meets during the pandemic. Regretfully
my lack of technical skills allowed me to view only one presentation. I had to resort to viewing the video on m computer and getting the audio on my cell phone. It was an excruciating eight hours. I have been
fortunate in obtaining the PDF of several of the presentations. Is there an exercise that would allow extracting photos from some of these presentations? I like to have photos on the workbench while developing
my projects. Moving the computer to the workroom is not an option.

Thanks for any help:
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Bill Pardie


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Bruce Hendrick
 

And if I may ask, best current sprayable equivalent to Floquil “Grime” and “Weathered Black”? Thanks.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Charlie Duckworth
 

Jack and Dennis
Thanks for the input; now to manufacture eight queen posts.  

Due to the angle of the post and the tension from the fishing line I’ve flatten some brass wire to start filing into a post. I’ll use plastic shapes to add the details.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Jack Mullen
 

I did more or less as Dennis described, except starting with wheel diameter to establish scale, and estimating the adjustment to project about 2' forward to the plane of the side. Then vertical measurements gave 8" for the needle beam, which is plausible,  and about 15" bottom of needle beam to centerline of truss rod. 
As a check on reasonableness, that scale gives 12" door sill to bottom of side sill, 7" reporting marks, and 10" WESTERN FRUIT EXPRESS. Sill to top of rail seems to be about 40", again guesstimating projection of the TOR to the side plane. All these derived dimensions are of course somewhat approximate, but plausible values.  YMMV.


Jack Mullen


Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Peter Hall
 

Has anyone found an equivalent in Vallejo colors to the old Poly Scale Light Freight Car Red?

Thanks
Pete


Re: Accupaint "Improved Formula" Light Tuscan Oxide Red

Richard McQuade
 

Thanks for this, Doug.


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 05:29 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Heres two images from Bill Welch’s article on the angled queen posts.  Appreciate your thoughts on the length  

Charlie 
Well, since these cars have full wood underframes, you have to go back in time to find any useful dimensions. Looking through the 1909 Car Builder's Dictionary:
https://archive.org/details/carbuildersdic00mast
I find that it was common for such underframes to have the bottom of the sills 39" - 40" above the rail, and having the truss rod drop 24" below the sill was not uncommon, which would put it 15" - 16" above the rail, which would put it in line or slightly below the center of the wheels, which does appear to be the case from the upper photo you posted. The lower photo appears to be almost perpendicular to the horizontal plane of the bottom portion of the rods. Try this, print it out big, and measure, in line with the siding grooves, from the sill to the rail. Divide that number by 40, and use the result for the value of one inch, and use that to determine the depth of the rods below the sill, also the depth of the channel section needle beams. that will be as close as you can come, lacking a drawing of the underframe.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dennis
Heres two images from Bill Welch’s article on the angled queen posts.  Appreciate your thoughts on the length  

Charlie 



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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Accupaint "Improved Formula" Light Tuscan Oxide Red

Douglas Harding
 

Light Tuscan Oxide Red was a color in the Accuflex line, which is now Badger's ModelFlex line. The color is still available.
 
Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 01:46 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
That’s somewhat what I did and came up with 18” as well.   Grandt Line parts is now part of San Juan Details and they show a 3”, 5” and 10” queen post set. I have several of the 10” so I’ll cut these up to make an 18”.  I’ll make one and place it on the car at the angle and see if it looks like the prototype. 
 
18" sounds way long for a freight car. Are you including the height of the needle beam (typically 8" to 10") in that figure? Can you post a pix of the prototype?

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Photo: Poultry Car NHX 6000

Douglas Harding
 

There were several different designs for poultry cars, built by different companies, for different companies. The NHX 6000 is one of the last such cars built, using an ACF design. Through the years there were changes made, from the first in 1884, known as the Jenkins/Streetor poultry car. The car was quickly redesigned to address design flaws with the original car. New patents for the changes were issued to Jenkins in 1885, 1888, and again in 1891. Eventually Jenkins formed the Live Poultry Car Company, utilizing his improved design.

The American Live Poultry Company began operations in 1909 using a patent from Burgett - a very closed car with tight slats and louvers, thought to protect the birds from the harsh northern climates. The company and the car design failed to catch on, and dissolved by 1911.

In 1909, LEMAC Carrier Company tried to get in the game with 150 live poultry cars. (1910 O.R.E.R.). By 1917, they had quickly built a fleet of 400 cars. However, LEMAC was sued for patent infringement by the Live Poultry Transportation Company. Even with advertisements stating they had their own “new” patented design for cars, LEMAC vanishes from the records somewhere in the early 20s.

In 1924 the Live Poultry Transit Company faced its first real competition with the launch of the Palace Poultry Car Company (P.P.K.X). in 1926, the powerful North American Car Corporation took over operations.

Ambroid and Northeast Scale Models produced the “Livesay” Poultry Car and the “Speedy” poultry/reefer combo car as wood kits. Both kits can be found on eBay, but neither is prototypical. Overland imported a brass model in the 80s of a PPKX car (different design), but it also has flaws.

Details like ladders, truck spacing, roof top ventilation systems all varied as designs changed and evolved. 

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


Here’s another great reference on FGEX.

Charlie Duckworth
 

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