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Re: Photo: PPKX 5195 Poultry Car

Ray Breyer
 

I have photos of two of them; both attached.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 05:21:41 AM CDT, ron christensen via groups.io <rxensen@...> wrote:


That car has 4 ladders for putting the canvas on in the winter. Do you have any phots of the reefer poultry car?
Ron Christensen


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Bruce Hendrick
 

Thank you very much, Mark.

Bruce


Re: CPR 40' Automobile Boxcars

James Brewer
 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:38 PM Gavin <senftgav@...> wrote:
Hi, I'm building a Sylvan kit of the CPR DD 40' Autoboxes, and I'm looking for prototype photos and information, thanks if applicable.


Re: Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

Nelson Moyer
 

I use 0.010 in. wire. The handles have a tendency to get snagged and bent as Bill says. I also use 0.012 in. or 0.0125 in. wire for grab irons when I have to bend replacements because that’s the size included in kits. Yes, 0.010 or 0.008 in. look better, but I’m not into bending more grab irons than absolutely necessary, as the majority of my cars have grab ladders.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 9:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

 

I usually use .010 for thus feature.  Although it is unlikely to be touched in handling this saves me from using .008 or .006 and having you straighten it later.

 

Bill Pardie

 


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Mark Rossiter
 

 

Bruce, this subject comes up on a fairly regular basis.  Here is a link to an e-zine article that should answer most of your questions:

 

https://www.testors.com/-/media/DigitalEncyclopedia/Documents/Testors/ebook/MRH-Acrylic-painting-guide-post-Floquil-Portrait.ashx?la=en&hash=A55D20518FF90D67DC26273BABC0336CC1DD72E4

 

Mark Rossiter


Re: Photo: PPKX 5195 Poultry Car

ron christensen
 

That car has 4 ladders for putting the canvas on in the winter. Do you have any phots of the reefer poultry car?
Ron Christensen


Re: Lackawanna Box Car Truck ID

brianleppert@att.net
 


try
Tahoe Model Works 114/214.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Lackawanna Box Car Truck ID

Brian Carlson
 

Per the DL&W diagram Bettendorf truck frames UT 588. Some have a similar Gould frame. Tim’s photo is from Wil Whittaker in Mainline Modeler. 

I’d use the Tahoe ARA Buckeye. 

I cover these cars in my Rust Belt boxcars clinic.(Shameless plug) They were 12.4 % of the DL&W fleet in 1950. If you count their close cousins in the 46000 series they were 24.8% of the fleet.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 4, 2022, at 12:14 AM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

I am building the F&C kit and trying to figure which trucks are on the car below.  I think they might be Barbers but not a truck expert at all.  Photo was posted earlier by Tim O'Connor.

Thanks
Scott McDonald

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Lackawanna Box Car Truck ID

Scott
 

I am building the F&C kit and trying to figure which trucks are on the car below.  I think they might be Barbers but not a truck expert at all.  Photo was posted earlier by Tim O'Connor.

Thanks
Scott McDonald


CPR 40' Automobile Boxcars

Gavin
 

Hi, I'm building a Sylvan kit of the CPR DD 40' Autoboxes, and I'm looking for prototype photos and information, thanks if applicable.


Re: Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I usually use .010 for thus feature.  Although it is unlikely to be touched in handling this saves me from using .008 or .006 and having you straighten it later.

Bill Pardie



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From: Charles Greene <greenec1144@...>
Date: 5/3/22 11:37 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

This concerns an admittedly minute detail of the system, yet I'd still like to model it in HO. It's the control rod for the variable release valve on the air reservoir. Although the length varied depending on individual installation requirements dictated by the car design, I would think the diameter would probably have been the same in most cases. I haven't found a diagram that shows it in the car builders dictionaries or Westinhouse Co. pubs. 

Anybody know what the diameter is or what pub(s) might show it? Looking at photos of cars where I can see the rod, I'm guessing it's maybe 3/8 in. to 1/2 in.

        -Chuck Greene


Re: Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

Dave Parker
 

Chuck:

I've looked in those same sources and never seen it, and I wonder if the diameter of those rods was even standardized.

I have modeled them on a couple of cars, and used an eyeball approach.  In this GLa photo, we know the retainer line is 0.675" d (3/8" standard pipe), the grabs are usually right around 3/4", so I think 3/8" for the release rod would be about the upper end here.  That would be 0.0043" wire in HO, not a "standard" size in the Tichy line for example.  But, wire that fine can be found in my fly-tying world, and I suspect in the craft/jewelry space as well.

Hope this helps.



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Westinghouse "K"-Series Brake System

Charles Greene
 

This concerns an admittedly minute detail of the system, yet I'd still like to model it in HO. It's the control rod for the variable release valve on the air reservoir. Although the length varied depending on individual installation requirements dictated by the car design, I would think the diameter would probably have been the same in most cases. I haven't found a diagram that shows it in the car builders dictionaries or Westinhouse Co. pubs. 

Anybody know what the diameter is or what pub(s) might show it? Looking at photos of cars where I can see the rod, I'm guessing it's maybe 3/8 in. to 1/2 in.

        -Chuck Greene


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:23 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Is the needle beam beveled to allow for the angle of the queenposts, or is that angle cast into the base of the queenposts?
If you look closely at the right hand queenpost in the second photo in Charlie's post, there's enough detail to see that the base is L shaped, fitting against the side and bottom flange of the beam. The needle beam is a rolled or pressed channel, not beveled. The angle is in the queenpost casting. In general, it's simpler and cheaper to design a cast part in the required shape than to machine or form the  mating part to fit.

Jack Mullen


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:02 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
checked the Tichy site for HO scale queenposts. The longest they have is also ten inches, the same as the former Grandt Line details. There’s probably a reason why longer versions aren’t available. 
Grandt only did what was applicable to the Colorado narrow gauge. When Grandt Line parts became hard to get in recent years, Tichy tooled a lot of the same parts at the request of laser kit makers; mostly windows, but some car parts, also. There is no reason they can't be made, other than perceived lack of sales potential.

Dennis Storzek


Re: WFEX queen post question

Robert kirkham
 

i really like that idea Andy.  Will have to give it a try.

Rob

On May 3, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


The idea that an HO reefer's truss rod post needs to be sourced only from an available commercial part avoids the idea of scratch building one. Yes, 4 x 2 = 8 parts; a daunting task (though less time than spent discussing comercially available parts). Years ago, I made a single truss rod post for use in an N scale freight car. Pleased with the final product, I simply made a mold of it. Making a small mold like this can be done with Auto Parts store's RTV hi-temp exhaust gasket in a tube. I used epoxy which is available from numerous sources. I would recommend avoiding quick-setting epoxy. To strengthen the part and to protect from breaking I inserted at the time of adding epoxy a short piece of 0.010" brass wire which acts similarly to rebar in concrete construction use.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


WFEX queen post question

Andy Carlson
 


The idea that an HO reefer's truss rod post needs to be sourced only from an available commercial part avoids the idea of scratch building one. Yes, 4 x 2 = 8 parts; a daunting task (though less time than spent discussing comercially available parts). Years ago, I made a single truss rod post for use in an N scale freight car. Pleased with the final product, I simply made a mold of it. Making a small mold like this can be done with Auto Parts store's RTV hi-temp exhaust gasket in a tube. I used epoxy which is available from numerous sources. I would recommend avoiding quick-setting epoxy. To strengthen the part and to protect from breaking I inserted at the time of adding epoxy a short piece of 0.010" brass wire which acts similarly to rebar in concrete construction use.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Charlie Duckworth
 

It’s already cast on the beam.  I’m hoping the extra length allows for me to adapt it where I can give it some angle.   

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 1:23 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Charlie,

I'm curious; Is the needle beam beveled to allow for the angle of the queenposts, or is that angle cast into the base of the queenposts?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 05/03/2022 12:12 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:


I found a source on Shapeways for 12” and 18” HO queen posts. I ordered the 18” thinking I can reduce the height 3”.   IF this works I’ll post images of the car.  Meanwhile I’m building the 1916 NYC boxcar to keep me entertained. 

Charlie D. 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 1:02 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I checked the Tichy site for HO scale queenposts. The longest they have is also ten inches, the same as the former Grandt Line details. There’s probably a reason why longer versions aren’t available. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 3, 2022, at 12:35 PM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Maybe you could start with Grandt Line O scale queenposts and file them thinner. I do wish someone would make these 14"-16" or so queenposts in HO-they were very common on cars with composite or "repair steel" underframes in the 1912-1940 period .Major roads such as NYC, AT&SF, Southern and PO's such as FGEX had large numbers of these cars.  Maybe they could be 3D printed- the one consideration would be to make them of material rigid enough to stand the tension of the nylon fish line truss rod. Note that there actually 2 types,one attaches to the bottom of the I-beam or channel needle beam, the other to the side of a channel needle beam..
Larry King




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Robert kirkham
 

The CPR had similar cars - I’ve measured 18” from the base of the casting (where it sits on the beam) to the tips on either side of the truss rods.  That’s a long, spindly item to print and make capable of withstanding operating stresses.  I’ve done a bulked up version of them on Shapeways, but really i think a better material is the solution.  I like the idea of etched brass or similar, but have not pursued it yet.

Rob   

On May 3, 2022, at 10:35 AM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Maybe you could start with Grandt Line O scale queenposts and file them thinner. I do wish someone would make these 14"-16" or so queenposts in HO-they were very common on cars with composite or "repair steel" underframes in the 1912-1940 period .Major roads such as NYC, AT&SF, Southern and PO's such as FGEX had large numbers of these cars.  Maybe they could be 3D printed- the one consideration would be to make them of material rigid enough to stand the tension of the nylon fish line truss rod. Note that there actually 2 types,one attaches to the bottom of the I-beam or channel needle beam, the other to the side of a channel needle beam..
Larry King


Re: Reefer Madness…WFEX queen post question

Scott H. Haycock
 

Charlie,

I'm curious; Is the needle beam beveled to allow for the angle of the queenposts, or is that angle cast into the base of the queenposts?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 05/03/2022 12:12 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:


I found a source on Shapeways for 12” and 18” HO queen posts. I ordered the 18” thinking I can reduce the height 3”.   IF this works I’ll post images of the car.  Meanwhile I’m building the 1916 NYC boxcar to keep me entertained. 

Charlie D. 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 1:02 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I checked the Tichy site for HO scale queenposts. The longest they have is also ten inches, the same as the former Grandt Line details. There’s probably a reason why longer versions aren’t available. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 3, 2022, at 12:35 PM, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Maybe you could start with Grandt Line O scale queenposts and file them thinner. I do wish someone would make these 14"-16" or so queenposts in HO-they were very common on cars with composite or "repair steel" underframes in the 1912-1940 period .Major roads such as NYC, AT&SF, Southern and PO's such as FGEX had large numbers of these cars.  Maybe they could be 3D printed- the one consideration would be to make them of material rigid enough to stand the tension of the nylon fish line truss rod. Note that there actually 2 types,one attaches to the bottom of the I-beam or channel needle beam, the other to the side of a channel needle beam..
Larry King




--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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