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Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Nelson Moyer
 

Both Jack Burgess and I have written about pin vises and drilling technique in detail, so check the resincarbuilder archives using the search entry ‘pinvise’. There may also be information in the plasticfreight car builder, proto-layouts, and this group.

 

While the pinvise you choose matters, your technique, or lack thereof, is the primary cause of broken bits.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

 

I've been following this thread and I agree in principle with Scott Chatfield about the length of exposed bit in a pin vise.  I expose the bit the thickness of the material I'm drilling through, plus 1/16'' or so so I don't damage the body with the nose of the chuck when the bit clears. I also use beeswax as a lubricant.

 

I think a main reason for bit breakage is that many modelers hold the shell (or whatever) to rigidly. It takes a light hand and patience!

 

The attachments show a fixture I built to aid me in my modelmaking endeavors. Because it holds the body shell flexibly and securely, It works great for drilling and detailing body shells.

 

The first photo shows the materials I used- 2 blocks of 3/4'' MDF, one of those foam kit inserts from Accurail, intermountain, etc., and some wood glue.

 

The rest of the photos should be self explanatory. The weight of the fixture precludes the necessity of clamps, but I have some spring clamps that I can use if needed.

 

 

  

Scott Haycock

 


Re: Wanted: Chooch sugar beet loads - HO scale

Nelson Moyer
 

A friend used Anise seeds for a beet train, and after a few months the cars were infested with bugs. If you use Anise seeds, you better treat them to discourage bugs. Perhaps run them through an alcohol dehydration series, or treat them with something repellent or toxic to bugs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 5:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wanted: Chooch sugar beet loads - HO scale

 

Pete,
  I know one SP modeler who swears by Anise seeds for sugar beet loads ... Jim in the PNW


Re: Wanted: Chooch sugar beet loads - HO scale

Jim Betz
 

Pete,
  I know one SP modeler who swears by Anise seeds for sugar beet loads ... Jim in the PNW


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Scott H. Haycock
 

I've been following this thread and I agree in principle with Scott Chatfield about the length of exposed bit in a pin vise.  I expose the bit the thickness of the material I'm drilling through, plus 1/16'' or so so I don't damage the body with the nose of the chuck when the bit clears. I also use beeswax as a lubricant.

I think a main reason for bit breakage is that many modelers hold the shell (or whatever) to rigidly. It takes a light hand and patience!

The attachments show a fixture I built to aid me in my modelmaking endeavors. Because it holds the body shell flexibly and securely, It works great for drilling and detailing body shells.

The first photo shows the materials I used- 2 blocks of 3/4'' MDF, one of those foam kit inserts from Accurail, intermountain, etc., and some wood glue.

The rest of the photos should be self explanatory. The weight of the fixture precludes the necessity of clamps, but I have some spring clamps that I can use if needed.


  

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 05/06/2022 11:09 PM D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


Ken Adams wrote:

> "72 grabiron holes taking at least 15 #78 drill bits."

You are either chucking the bits wrong or drinking too much scotch.*

The proper way to chuck a small diameter bit is with twice the length of the flutes sticking out of the chuck.

For example, the #78 bits I use (whatever my LHS sells in bulk) have flutes that are .20" long, so .40" sticks out.

You know how I most often break a small bit?  By dropping the pin vise.


Scott Chatfield

* Chatfield's Fourth Law:  "If you drink scotch, you're an alcoholic."


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Ken Adams wrote:

> "72 grabiron holes taking at least 15 #78 drill bits."

You are either chucking the bits wrong or drinking too much scotch.*

The proper way to chuck a small diameter bit is with twice the length of the flutes sticking out of the chuck.

For example, the #78 bits I use (whatever my LHS sells in bulk) have flutes that are .20" long, so .40" sticks out.

You know how I most often break a small bit?  By dropping the pin vise.


Scott Chatfield

* Chatfield's Fourth Law:  "If you drink scotch, you're an alcoholic."


Bill Welch document

Jared Harper
 

I am looking for Bill Welch's Plastic Freight Car Builders, Part I.  Could someone please send me a copy.

Thanks.

Jared Harper


tank car SDRX 25149 built by GATC from Petroleum Age July 1926 pg 60

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of tank car SDRX 25149 built by GATC from Petroleum Age July 1926 pg 60
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Charlie Duckworth
 

I was going to recommend that as well, I’ve got an handheld that takes 3 AAA batteries and my ratio of broken bits dropped significantly 

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 4:37 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
Ken,

You should invest in a motorized drill for small bits. I haven’t broken a bit for three or four years. I use a Holland can motor outfitted with a small chuck. I use a 9v battery for power. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 6, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Really nice.

Again I like the body FCR which appears a more "rusty" color.  As I am confined to acrylics I'll have to do some research to match. I need to differentiate foreign road cars from the darker SP FCR that I have been using. 

Here it has taken me at least 3 weeks since I started an Tichy P&LE rebuild kit and I am at a point where I might assemble the body. 72 grabiron holes drilled taking at least 15 #78 drill bits. 
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Craig Zeni
 

I took the BLI floor and tossed it, replacing it with a Tichy box car floor.  Trucks mount properly and it looks fine.  Otherwise I completely overhauled the car's body and replaced much of the coarse details.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Tim O'Connor
 

Ken

Hahahaha!! Sometime about 30 years ago I realized that if I bought a good drill press it would
eventually pay for itself in tiny drill bits !! It's been pretty rare now for years for me to break a drill
bit - and it only happens when I am doing the work by hand.

With a good drill press you could use #80 drills or even smaller ones. I keep a #80 in the press and
if I need a larger hole or two, I just use tiny reamers to enlarge the holes. :-D

Tim O'Connor



On 5/6/2022 5:33 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
Really nice.

Again I like the body FCR which appears a more "rusty" color.  As I am confined to acrylics I'll have to do some research to match. I need to differentiate foreign road cars from the darker SP FCR that I have been using. 

Here it has taken me at least 3 weeks since I started an Tichy P&LE rebuild kit and I am at a point where I might assemble the body. 72 grabiron holes drilled taking at least 15 #78 drill bits. 
--
Ken Adams

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Eric Hansmann
 

Ken,

You should invest in a motorized drill for small bits. I haven’t broken a bit for three or four years. I use a Holland can motor outfitted with a small chuck. I use a 9v battery for power. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 6, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Really nice.

Again I like the body FCR which appears a more "rusty" color.  As I am confined to acrylics I'll have to do some research to match. I need to differentiate foreign road cars from the darker SP FCR that I have been using. 

Here it has taken me at least 3 weeks since I started an Tichy P&LE rebuild kit and I am at a point where I might assemble the body. 72 grabiron holes drilled taking at least 15 #78 drill bits. 
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Ken Adams
 

Really nice.

Again I like the body FCR which appears a more "rusty" color.  As I am confined to acrylics I'll have to do some research to match. I need to differentiate foreign road cars from the darker SP FCR that I have been using. 

Here it has taken me at least 3 weeks since I started an Tichy P&LE rebuild kit and I am at a point where I might assemble the body. 72 grabiron holes drilled taking at least 15 #78 drill bits. 
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Fw: Illinois Terminal RR Shippers Directory of 1947

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

My newest and 24th shippers guide reprint, is from the Illinois Terminal RR .The 70 page book has a traction orange cover.  The St. Louis industry listing is 20 pages long, listing both online and off line industries.  the Peoria listings take 6 pages. Several other large Illinois cities are also listed in detail.  This book is $24.95.

As a side note the C&EI guide is also reduced to $24.95.

The B&O/ Alton RR's are the other most recent guides.  The other guides can be seen at my website Rails Unlimited - Shippers Books (ribbonrail.com)

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


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Wanted: Chooch sugar beet loads - HO scale

Peter Hall
 

Wanted to buy:  Chooch sugar beet loads - HO scale

If anyone has old Chooch sugar beet loads (HO scale) that they no longer need, I'll be happy to purchase them and take them off your hands.

Thanks
Pete


Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Dave Parker
 

(Edited)

I put my Brown Company car on Tahoe 215s.  A much better match than the factory trucks.

Sorry for the confusion.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Robert Allan
 

I'd also be interested in the mounting protocol. BLI seems to have taken an alternate course on how it secures trucks to cars. The NYC USRAs are particularly annoying as the trucks really are substandard.

Bob Allan, Omaha


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

al_brown03
 

Nice car!

AL B.


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Jared Harper
 

SQ Junior


Re: Westerfield NYC 1916 Modernized boxcar off the workbench

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for the remarks; I got this kit on the afternoon of May 2nd and finished it last night (almost a Clark build).  

Mrs D is out of town so had no interruptions 😈.   
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: 1925 recently appeared at Hathi Trust

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Oops! Thanks...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2022 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1925 recently appeared at Hathi Trust

Claus, you are looking at ORER listings.  We've been talking about the CBCs.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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