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Re: GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Douglas Harding
 

I believe Clover House offers twisted wire or cable.  Cloverhouse.com   There have been several other companies as well, look at ads in the Narrow Gauge Gazette

Check Hobby Lobby for bead stringing wire, it is very fine. Or check the sewing department for heavier thread, carpet thread for example.

Or find some 32-gauge stranded wire and strip the insulation. IE left overs from decoder installs would work.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:27 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
Is there a source for the twist ties in HO,  I seem.to remember a supplier who had this item in their line along with a treasure trove of similar detail items. Regretfully the name escapes me.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Date: 4/29/22 12:21 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Twisted wire was a common tie down. It did not have to be saved or returned, factories had lots of it around, and no special tools were needed.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:48 PM Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And notice how they are tied down. 




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Re: Repack interval

Eric Hansmann
 

From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly
Re: St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for all the replies and images.  Lester Brewer upgraded a pre painted Accurail reefer that was done for a NMRA convention as one of his blogs.  Am thinking that’s a logical choice for a decal set.  SLRX also had bunkerless 36’ (or 34’?) reefers.  Is there a close model that could be converted to one of these cars as well?   

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.
Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Jim Mischke
 



Eric,


I find that the RPCycs cut off at 1960.   By publisher and author expressed intent.    Like a certain freight car group.

There is no information about freight car lives beyond 1960 in images or narrative.  Not even a hint.

If a researcher seeks 1960's information on old freight cars, one must build on an RPCyc article with additoinal research.

Certainly Rapido used all available resources in their product research.   I would surmise that we might see more USRA-derived boxcars from Rapido.   As prolific as they are, they do not mind some tooling commonalities.    I have no inside information on this.


Jim
Re: B&O m-15k & M-15n

Jim Mischke
 


Let me try again copying and pasting as jpgs.

These are from the Tom Underwood collection at the Barriger library, showing the rebuilt M-15n and M-15p that all the M-15k wagtontops disappeared into during 1955-56.   The only difference is 40-ton and 50-ton capacity bearings, respectively.
Delano photos and filters?

Robert kirkham
 

I wonder if this Delano photo reveals a key clue about his process: is this an indicator of a filter?  


(or perhaps just careless scanning of an image still in its plastic sleeve . . . ?)



Rob  

On May 11, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

Are the colors right or wrong.  Yes.

-Hudson <1a35342u.preview4x5 Kodachrome transparency by Alfred Palmer.jpg>
Re: GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Is there a source for the twist ties in HO,  I seem.to remember a supplier who had this item in their line along with a treasure trove of similar detail items. Regretfully the name escapes me.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Date: 4/29/22 12:21 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Twisted wire was a common tie down. It did not have to be saved or returned, factories had lots of it around, and no special tools were needed.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:48 PM Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And notice how they are tied down. 




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Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 

Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Robert kirkham
 

Yes, right; the talk about the layout was just a bit of fun

Rob

On May 13, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ

Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Clarence Zink
 

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ
Repack interval

greg kennelly
 

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly
RCW 6.03 10K insulated AC&F tank car for trade

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

I have a RCW 10k AC&F SHPX/Paluxy Asphalt insulated tank car that I'd be willing to trade for either an 8k RCW insulated tank car (any kit) or the Speedwitch 105.1 MKT boxcar kit. I can be reached at nyc3001@....

Thanks,
Phil Lee
St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Charlie Duckworth
 

Since Tichy’s decals are so thick I’d like to see if I can pull enough images together to make a nice thin decal set to do the 40’ bunkerless wood reefer.  What prompted this is a shot of one on a RI freight in Missouri.   Anyone have good images of the wood cars they can send me?  Here’s the one poor image I have.  

Thanks 



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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.
Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Ken Adams
 

Interesting story about Model Air Rust 71.080.  I first encountered it when I ordered Acrylic Box Car Red which was brand new back about 2013 from Micro Mark. I received 4 bottles of Vallejo Model Air Rust/Oxido 71.080 with a paper sticker saying it was Box Car Red.  I still have 3 bottles of it. 

My current rusty red oxide (after Charlie Duckworth's suggestion using Tru-Color) for a P&LE Rebuilt box car I am working on is 4 parts (80%) 70.982 Cavalry Brown mixed with 1 part (20%) 70.953 Flat Yellow thinned as needed for airbrushing.  Although I may cheat at that step and spray the body with Tamiya Red Oxide Surface Primer and hand brush a wash of the Cavalry Brown/Flat Yellow mix over the red oxide.

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WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 11, No 2, May, 2022

dahminator68
 

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Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Lester Breuer
 

Peter I have been using Vallejo paints since came on market.   In the Model Air or Model Color I find no equivalent.  Polly 
Scale Lt. Freight Car Red F414352.

Best suggestion I have is to start with a mix of Model Air Rust 71.080.  50%.  and Mahogany Brown 70.846. 50% which will provide the best  starting point I know.  You will have to change shade from there if desired.

And Bruce for Floquil “Grime”. Vallejo Model Color Black Grey. 70.i62.   I have no current suggestion for Weathered Black with the purplish black look.

Lester Breuer
Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

George Hollwedel
 

Tamiya TS-82 Rubber Black

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
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512-796-6883
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On Monday, May 2, 2022, 09:08:57 AM CDT, Bruce Hendrick <brucehendrick@...> wrote:


And if I may ask, best current sprayable equivalent to Floquil “Grime” and “Weathered Black”? Thanks.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California








Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Ray Hutchison
 

Very interesting idea....  we could take photos of our layout, attach the bottom banner (not hard to create, white font on grey background), then we have a new WPA photograph!
Re: early insulated tank car

Ray Hutchison
 

So....  any builder diagrams, train encyclopedia, or other diagrams for Riverside Oil car?  The Ambroid instruction sheet is nicely detailed (as always) but I don't know if the dimensions are correct?

Red Ball Monsanto car in sitting on the shelf and next in line.

rh
Re: B&O m-15k & M-15n

Kenneth Montero
 

Jim,

The files were not attached to your email (as delivered). You might try sending each of them in separate emails if the size of the attached files with both photos is too large.

Ken Montero

On 05/13/2022 12:20 AM Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:




Yes, the M-15k wagtontops were used as cores for M-15n and M-15p wagtontop rebuilds.   The M-15k population was consumed quickly in the purest biblical sense.   For B&O modelers, this 1955-56 M-15k - to - M-15n/p is a notable and precipitous transition for rolling stock selection.

A main difference between the 1955-56 rebuilt M-15n and M-15p subclasses is that the M-15n's were 40-ton capacity, the M-15p's had 50-ton capacity.    The difference was not in the car structure but in the plain journal bearing capacities in the trucks used.

Ever the wear-it-out-patch-it-up-make-it-do B&O was given to reapplying brake gear and trucks to rebuild programs and cars built new from builder kits.   Much depended on what other cars were being retired at the time.   Paperwork was kept matching up donating car carcasses and their recipients by road number, for a safety audit trail.

Attached are two photos from the Tom Underwood collection at the Barriger library illustrating M-15n and M-15p.   Rather large raw files, I hope they come through.

Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Brian Carlson
 

You can’t find any in the 60’s or later because they just didn’t last that long unmodified. 

TH&B cars were long lived into the 50’s but they were an exception. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 12, 2022, at 11:58 PM, Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:



Regarding the past Rapido USRA double sheath boxcar and upcoming USRA single sheath boxcar release ..... and I am having trouble finding any road names for such boxcars that lasted up to and past 1960 in their original hardware appearance in general interchange.   AB brakes replaced K-brakes of course.   Plenty were rebuilt with aftermarket sides, not yet Rapido offerings.

Some ORER entries within and past this group's 1920-60 base timeline show several hardy CNJ USRA single-sheath boxcars still around, yet they may have been in lead-zinc service between the two Palmerton, NJ. smelters, a very short on-line move.

Some TH&B double-sheath boxcars were still around in yellow paint, yet they may have been operating on-line LCL service.

B&O's M-24 USRA single sheath boxcars were converted en masse to company service about 1953 or so.  They lasted a long time yet were not in revenue service anymore.   The last M-24a/b boxcars equippped with hoppers for cement loading lost their jobs about 1958.

Insights about long-lived USRA wood boxcars in an original hardware appearance would be welcome.











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Cheektowaga NY
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