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Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Robert kirkham
 

Yes, right; the talk about the layout was just a bit of fun

Rob

On May 13, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Clarence Zink
 

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ


Repack interval

greg kennelly
 

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


RCW 6.03 10K insulated AC&F tank car for trade

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

I have a RCW 10k AC&F SHPX/Paluxy Asphalt insulated tank car that I'd be willing to trade for either an 8k RCW insulated tank car (any kit) or the Speedwitch 105.1 MKT boxcar kit. I can be reached at nyc3001@....

Thanks,
Phil Lee


St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Charlie Duckworth
 

Since Tichy’s decals are so thick I’d like to see if I can pull enough images together to make a nice thin decal set to do the 40’ bunkerless wood reefer.  What prompted this is a shot of one on a RI freight in Missouri.   Anyone have good images of the wood cars they can send me?  Here’s the one poor image I have.  

Thanks 



--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Ken Adams
 

Interesting story about Model Air Rust 71.080.  I first encountered it when I ordered Acrylic Box Car Red which was brand new back about 2013 from Micro Mark. I received 4 bottles of Vallejo Model Air Rust/Oxido 71.080 with a paper sticker saying it was Box Car Red.  I still have 3 bottles of it. 

My current rusty red oxide (after Charlie Duckworth's suggestion using Tru-Color) for a P&LE Rebuilt box car I am working on is 4 parts (80%) 70.982 Cavalry Brown mixed with 1 part (20%) 70.953 Flat Yellow thinned as needed for airbrushing.  Although I may cheat at that step and spray the body with Tamiya Red Oxide Surface Primer and hand brush a wash of the Cavalry Brown/Flat Yellow mix over the red oxide.

--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2x may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 11, No 2, May, 2022

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modelers:
 
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Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

Lester Breuer
 

Peter I have been using Vallejo paints since came on market.   In the Model Air or Model Color I find no equivalent.  Polly 
Scale Lt. Freight Car Red F414352.

Best suggestion I have is to start with a mix of Model Air Rust 71.080.  50%.  and Mahogany Brown 70.846. 50% which will provide the best  starting point I know.  You will have to change shade from there if desired.

And Bruce for Floquil “Grime”. Vallejo Model Color Black Grey. 70.i62.   I have no current suggestion for Weathered Black with the purplish black look.

Lester Breuer


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

George Hollwedel
 

Tamiya TS-82 Rubber Black

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-796-6883
proto.nscale@...





On Monday, May 2, 2022, 09:08:57 AM CDT, Bruce Hendrick <brucehendrick@...> wrote:


And if I may ask, best current sprayable equivalent to Floquil “Grime” and “Weathered Black”? Thanks.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California









Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Ray Hutchison
 

Very interesting idea....  we could take photos of our layout, attach the bottom banner (not hard to create, white font on grey background), then we have a new WPA photograph!


Re: early insulated tank car

Ray Hutchison
 

So....  any builder diagrams, train encyclopedia, or other diagrams for Riverside Oil car?  The Ambroid instruction sheet is nicely detailed (as always) but I don't know if the dimensions are correct?

Red Ball Monsanto car in sitting on the shelf and next in line.

rh


Re: B&O m-15k & M-15n

Kenneth Montero
 

Jim,

The files were not attached to your email (as delivered). You might try sending each of them in separate emails if the size of the attached files with both photos is too large.

Ken Montero

On 05/13/2022 12:20 AM Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:




Yes, the M-15k wagtontops were used as cores for M-15n and M-15p wagtontop rebuilds.   The M-15k population was consumed quickly in the purest biblical sense.   For B&O modelers, this 1955-56 M-15k - to - M-15n/p is a notable and precipitous transition for rolling stock selection.

A main difference between the 1955-56 rebuilt M-15n and M-15p subclasses is that the M-15n's were 40-ton capacity, the M-15p's had 50-ton capacity.    The difference was not in the car structure but in the plain journal bearing capacities in the trucks used.

Ever the wear-it-out-patch-it-up-make-it-do B&O was given to reapplying brake gear and trucks to rebuild programs and cars built new from builder kits.   Much depended on what other cars were being retired at the time.   Paperwork was kept matching up donating car carcasses and their recipients by road number, for a safety audit trail.

Attached are two photos from the Tom Underwood collection at the Barriger library illustrating M-15n and M-15p.   Rather large raw files, I hope they come through.


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Brian Carlson
 

You can’t find any in the 60’s or later because they just didn’t last that long unmodified. 

TH&B cars were long lived into the 50’s but they were an exception. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 12, 2022, at 11:58 PM, Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:



Regarding the past Rapido USRA double sheath boxcar and upcoming USRA single sheath boxcar release ..... and I am having trouble finding any road names for such boxcars that lasted up to and past 1960 in their original hardware appearance in general interchange.   AB brakes replaced K-brakes of course.   Plenty were rebuilt with aftermarket sides, not yet Rapido offerings.

Some ORER entries within and past this group's 1920-60 base timeline show several hardy CNJ USRA single-sheath boxcars still around, yet they may have been in lead-zinc service between the two Palmerton, NJ. smelters, a very short on-line move.

Some TH&B double-sheath boxcars were still around in yellow paint, yet they may have been operating on-line LCL service.

B&O's M-24 USRA single sheath boxcars were converted en masse to company service about 1953 or so.  They lasted a long time yet were not in revenue service anymore.   The last M-24a/b boxcars equippped with hoppers for cement loading lost their jobs about 1958.

Insights about long-lived USRA wood boxcars in an original hardware appearance would be welcome.











--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Eric Hansmann
 

Two key articles on these USRA box cars were published in a couple of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia volumes. Both of these efforts are above and beyond any previous coverage.

RPCyc Vol 16 has 53 pages of data and photos covering the USRA Double-Sheathed box cars.

RPCyc Vol 17 has 51 pages of data and photos covering the USRA Single-Sheathed box cars and rebuilds.

I would be very surprised if these resources were not being used by the Rapido development team. There are probably other prototype photos of these cars that were not published in these volumes, but additional usage and ownership data would be minimal.

Have you asked if they are using these RPCyc volumes?

If these details spark curiosity among readers, you can download and review an RPCyc article index PDF from the Helpful Links page of the Resin Car Works blog. Scroll down a bit to the Prototype Resources links.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 05/12/2022 9:58 PM Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:




Regarding the past Rapido USRA double sheath boxcar and upcoming USRA single sheath boxcar release ..... and I am having trouble finding any road names for such boxcars that lasted up to and past 1960 in their original hardware appearance in general interchange.   AB brakes replaced K-brakes of course.   Plenty were rebuilt with aftermarket sides, not yet Rapido offerings.

Some ORER entries within and past this group's 1920-60 base timeline show several hardy CNJ USRA single-sheath boxcars still around, yet they may have been in lead-zinc service between the two Palmerton, NJ. smelters, a very short on-line move.

Some TH&B double-sheath boxcars were still around in yellow paint, yet they may have been operating on-line LCL service.

B&O's M-24 USRA single sheath boxcars were converted en masse to company service about 1953 or so.  They lasted a long time yet were not in revenue service anymore.   The last M-24a/b boxcars equippped with hoppers for cement loading lost their jobs about 1958.

Insights about long-lived USRA wood boxcars in an original hardware appearance would be welcome.













Re: B&O m-15k & M-15n

Jim Mischke
 



Yes, the M-15k wagtontops were used as cores for M-15n and M-15p wagtontop rebuilds.   The M-15k population was consumed quickly in the purest biblical sense.   For B&O modelers, this 1955-56 M-15k - to - M-15n/p is a notable and precipitous transition for rolling stock selection.

A main difference between the 1955-56 rebuilt M-15n and M-15p subclasses is that the M-15n's were 40-ton capacity, the M-15p's had 50-ton capacity.    The difference was not in the car structure but in the plain journal bearing capacities in the trucks used.

Ever the wear-it-out-patch-it-up-make-it-do B&O was given to reapplying brake gear and trucks to rebuild programs and cars built new from builder kits.   Much depended on what other cars were being retired at the time.   Paperwork was kept matching up donating car carcasses and their recipients by road number, for a safety audit trail.

Attached are two photos from the Tom Underwood collection at the Barriger library illustrating M-15n and M-15p.   Rather large raw files, I hope they come through.


Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Jim Mischke
 



Regarding the past Rapido USRA double sheath boxcar and upcoming USRA single sheath boxcar release ..... and I am having trouble finding any road names for such boxcars that lasted up to and past 1960 in their original hardware appearance in general interchange.   AB brakes replaced K-brakes of course.   Plenty were rebuilt with aftermarket sides, not yet Rapido offerings.

Some ORER entries within and past this group's 1920-60 base timeline show several hardy CNJ USRA single-sheath boxcars still around, yet they may have been in lead-zinc service between the two Palmerton, NJ. smelters, a very short on-line move.

Some TH&B double-sheath boxcars were still around in yellow paint, yet they may have been operating on-line LCL service.

B&O's M-24 USRA single sheath boxcars were converted en masse to company service about 1953 or so.  They lasted a long time yet were not in revenue service anymore.   The last M-24a/b boxcars equippped with hoppers for cement loading lost their jobs about 1958.

Insights about long-lived USRA wood boxcars in an original hardware appearance would be welcome.











Re: early insulated tank car

Steve SANDIFER
 

The car at St. Louis is NCHX #117, Monsanto Chemicals Company, 1940. Built by AC&F for Monsanto, 8000 gallon, double hull car designed for transporting concentrated nitric acid. The inner tank is constructed of an aluminum alloy which is protected by a cushion of air and a steel outer shell. Donated in 1961.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car

 

Yes, with a printed paper wrapper to go over a milled wood core. Red Ball called it an acetic acid tank car. I have a kit but have not tried to build it yet. The tank ends are cast metal, as are the underframe and the dome.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew M. via groups.io <phillydrewcifer@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2022 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car

Didn't Red Ball at one time offer a model of the Monsanto car?

Drew Marshall in sunny South Philly

On May 12, 2022, at 18:21, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

Monsanto car at the museum in St. Louis.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groupsio
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car

 

There are actually a few prototypes (MCHX is in a museum, I think St. Louis). I've attached all of the photos I have of this type of tank car. Note that most of them are post-WWI builds, with the bulk of them being built during WWII. Mostly, they were used to transport nitric acid.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

 

 

On Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:44:45 AM CDT, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes, it has a prototype.

 

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

 

On May 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:

 

There is an interesting Ambroid kit of an early insulated tank car, shown below, also released as a Northeastern kit  (Brass Trains has a built model of this, listed as brass but clearly the Ambroid kit, same decals and obvious builders error, for $225 ).  I would like to determine if this was a foobie (which I think would be uncommon for an Ambroid kit) as I have not been able to find any photographs of the car.  And if it is not a foobie, where there might be a builders diagram of the actual car.  Thank you for any leads...

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Re: early insulated tank car

Richard Townsend
 

Yes, with a printed paper wrapper to go over a milled wood core. Red Ball called it an acetic acid tank car. I have a kit but have not tried to build it yet. The tank ends are cast metal, as are the underframe and the dome.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew M. via groups.io <phillydrewcifer@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2022 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car

Didn't Red Ball at one time offer a model of the Monsanto car?

Drew Marshall in sunny South Philly

On May 12, 2022, at 18:21, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
Monsanto car at the museum in St. Louis.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car
 
There are actually a few prototypes (MCHX is in a museum, I think St. Louis). I've attached all of the photos I have of this type of tank car. Note that most of them are post-WWI builds, with the bulk of them being built during WWII. Mostly, they were used to transport nitric acid.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
 
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:44:45 AM CDT, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:
 
 
Yes, it has a prototype.
 
 
Dan Mitchell
==========


On May 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
 
There is an interesting Ambroid kit of an early insulated tank car, shown below, also released as a Northeastern kit.  (Brass Trains has a built model of this, listed as brass but clearly the Ambroid kit, same decals and obvious builders error, for $225 ).  I would like to determine if this was a foobie (which I think would be uncommon for an Ambroid kit) as I have not been able to find any photographs of the car.  And if it is not a foobie, where there might be a builders diagram of the actual car.  Thank you for any leads...

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Re: early insulated tank car

Drew M.
 

Didn't Red Ball at one time offer a model of the Monsanto car?

Drew Marshall in sunny South Philly

On May 12, 2022, at 18:21, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

Monsanto car at the museum in St. Louis.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early insulated tank car

 

There are actually a few prototypes (MCHX is in a museum, I think St. Louis). I've attached all of the photos I have of this type of tank car. Note that most of them are post-WWI builds, with the bulk of them being built during WWII. Mostly, they were used to transport nitric acid.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

 

 

On Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:44:45 AM CDT, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes, it has a prototype.

 

 

Dan Mitchell

==========



On May 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:

 

There is an interesting Ambroid kit of an early insulated tank car, shown below, also released as a Northeastern kit.  (Brass Trains has a built model of this, listed as brass but clearly the Ambroid kit, same decals and obvious builders error, for $225 ).  I would like to determine if this was a foobie (which I think would be uncommon for an Ambroid kit) as I have not been able to find any photographs of the car.  And if it is not a foobie, where there might be a builders diagram of the actual car.  Thank you for any leads...

<Screen Shot 2022-05-12 at 9.09.52 AM.png>

 


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Robert kirkham
 

even shows the edge of the layout and the modellers tool bag on the floor beneath it.  

not

Rob

On May 12, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

This photo looks like a model, sharp turnouts and all.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)
 
Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)
WPA photo courtesy of TrainWeb.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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