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Re: Repack interval

Dave Parker
 

The question of repack (not reweigh) interval has been addressed here on at least two occasions -- see threads beginning with #67797 and #106475.  These include weigh-ins from both Bob Karig and Guy Wilber.  The short answer is that that, starting in 1929, the interval seemingly went from 12 to 15 to 14 to 18 months.

I must disagree, however, that there was no prescribed interval prior to 1929.  This is from the 1920 MCB Code of Rules, rule 66:


A bit later, the rule states that if the car is on an RIP track, and it has been >9 months since the last repack, that a repack should be done at that time.

Last, the 12-month interval seems to have had its roots in an MCB Recommended Practice (a different beast than the CoRs), but I have never bothered to track down when that came into existence.

Hope this helps.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Repack interval

Nelson Moyer
 

Tony’s Modeling the SP blog has entries on reweigh requirements for different car classes and eras.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 9:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Repack interval

 


Jack, reweighing is not the same thing as lubrication of the bearings. Mandatory reweigh intervals were measured in years
but the bearings required much more frequent maintenance. I don't know if this was an AAR thing, or whether the ICC or
other government agency required it. Guy Wilber would know! :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 5/14/2022 10:47 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

Correct...

 

I have the attached list of dates, etc. taped just about my workbench. Note that I model 1939 so some of them might not be correct for much later modeling dates.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Repack interval

 

From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly

Attachments:

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Repack interval

Tim O'Connor
 


Jack, reweighing is not the same thing as lubrication of the bearings. Mandatory reweigh intervals were measured in years
but the bearings required much more frequent maintenance. I don't know if this was an AAR thing, or whether the ICC or
other government agency required it. Guy Wilber would know! :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 5/14/2022 10:47 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

Correct...

 

I have the attached list of dates, etc. taped just about my workbench. Note that I model 1939 so some of them might not be correct for much later modeling dates.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Repack interval

 

From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Tim O'Connor
 


I love the stencil on this one in 1972 - It's an X26F rebuild of course, but it's age hasn't changed. :-)


On 5/14/2022 10:13 AM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Based on ORER data 3 Pennsy X26 made 1963 in revenue series. However, I’d take that with a grain of salt. They probably weren’t actually in service, just stored not yet white-lined. 

Face it, unmodified USRA cars in the 60’s are unlikely. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I don't know of any USRA double sheathed cars that survived un-rebuilt in the 1960's. There
were still a few all-steel rebuilds but that's a whole other subject.

The only single sheathed USRA cars I know survived more or less intact into the 1960's were
the D&H cement cars which received hatches and hopper bottoms. (Tichy kit)

Tim O'Connor

On 5/14/2022 3:37 AM, Jim Mischke wrote:

Eric,

I find that the RPCycs cut off at 1960.   By publisher and author expressed intent.    Like a certain freight car group.

There is no information about freight car lives beyond 1960 in images or narrative.  Not even a hint.

If a researcher seeks 1960's information on old freight cars, one must build on an RPCyc article with additoinal research.

Certainly Rapido used all available resources in their product research.   I would surmise that we might see more USRA-derived boxcars from Rapido.   As prolific as they are, they do not mind some tooling commonalities.    I have no inside information on this.

Jim


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Repack interval

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Correct...

 

I have the attached list of dates, etc. taped just about my workbench. Note that I model 1939 so some of them might not be correct for much later modeling dates.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Repack interval

 

From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Brian Carlson
 

Based on ORER data 3 Pennsy X26 made 1963 in revenue series. However, I’d take that with a grain of salt. They probably weren’t actually in service, just stored not yet white-lined. 

Face it, unmodified USRA cars in the 60’s are unlikely. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I don't know of any USRA double sheathed cars that survived un-rebuilt in the 1960's. There
were still a few all-steel rebuilds but that's a whole other subject.

The only single sheathed USRA cars I know survived more or less intact into the 1960's were
the D&H cement cars which received hatches and hopper bottoms. (Tichy kit)

Tim O'Connor

On 5/14/2022 3:37 AM, Jim Mischke wrote:

Eric,

I find that the RPCycs cut off at 1960.   By publisher and author expressed intent.    Like a certain freight car group.

There is no information about freight car lives beyond 1960 in images or narrative.  Not even a hint.

If a researcher seeks 1960's information on old freight cars, one must build on an RPCyc article with additoinal research.

Certainly Rapido used all available resources in their product research.   I would surmise that we might see more USRA-derived boxcars from Rapido.   As prolific as they are, they do not mind some tooling commonalities.    I have no inside information on this.

Jim

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Repack interval

Tim O'Connor
 


And in general the work was done wherever the car happened to be at the time :-)

Case in point - this New Haven box car lubed by the Great Northern.

Tim O'Connor

On 5/14/2022 8:14 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know of any USRA double sheathed cars that survived un-rebuilt in the 1960's. There
were still a few all-steel rebuilds but that's a whole other subject.

The only single sheathed USRA cars I know survived more or less intact into the 1960's were
the D&H cement cars which received hatches and hopper bottoms. (Tichy kit)

Tim O'Connor

On 5/14/2022 3:37 AM, Jim Mischke wrote:

Eric,

I find that the RPCycs cut off at 1960.   By publisher and author expressed intent.    Like a certain freight car group.

There is no information about freight car lives beyond 1960 in images or narrative.  Not even a hint.

If a researcher seeks 1960's information on old freight cars, one must build on an RPCyc article with additoinal research.

Certainly Rapido used all available resources in their product research.   I would surmise that we might see more USRA-derived boxcars from Rapido.   As prolific as they are, they do not mind some tooling commonalities.    I have no inside information on this.

Jim

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Douglas Harding
 

Charlie years ago I used the 36' MDC reefer and I think Clover House dry transfers https://cloverhouse.com/Cart/product_info.php?products_id=10176 
Not a hi detailed model, but an op session good enough.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 6:23 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the replies and images.  Lester Brewer upgraded a pre painted Accurail reefer that was done for a NMRA convention as one of his blogs.  Am thinking that’s a logical choice for a decal set.  SLRX also had bunkerless 36’ (or 34’?) reefers.  Is there a close model that could be converted to one of these cars as well?   

--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Douglas Harding
 

I believe Clover House offers twisted wire or cable.  Cloverhouse.com   There have been several other companies as well, look at ads in the Narrow Gauge Gazette

Check Hobby Lobby for bead stringing wire, it is very fine. Or check the sewing department for heavier thread, carpet thread for example.

Or find some 32-gauge stranded wire and strip the insulation. IE left overs from decoder installs would work.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:27 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
Is there a source for the twist ties in HO,  I seem.to remember a supplier who had this item in their line along with a treasure trove of similar detail items. Regretfully the name escapes me.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Date: 4/29/22 12:21 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Twisted wire was a common tie down. It did not have to be saved or returned, factories had lots of it around, and no special tools were needed.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:48 PM Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And notice how they are tied down. 




--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Re: Repack interval

Eric Hansmann
 

From what I recall in discussions here, this was an annual interval unless it was needed beforehand. The repack stencil for date and location would be reapplied after the work was completed. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 13, 2022, at 5:50 PM, greg kennelly <greg_kennelly@...> wrote:

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


Re: St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for all the replies and images.  Lester Brewer upgraded a pre painted Accurail reefer that was done for a NMRA convention as one of his blogs.  Am thinking that’s a logical choice for a decal set.  SLRX also had bunkerless 36’ (or 34’?) reefers.  Is there a close model that could be converted to one of these cars as well?   

--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Jim Mischke
 



Eric,


I find that the RPCycs cut off at 1960.   By publisher and author expressed intent.    Like a certain freight car group.

There is no information about freight car lives beyond 1960 in images or narrative.  Not even a hint.

If a researcher seeks 1960's information on old freight cars, one must build on an RPCyc article with additoinal research.

Certainly Rapido used all available resources in their product research.   I would surmise that we might see more USRA-derived boxcars from Rapido.   As prolific as they are, they do not mind some tooling commonalities.    I have no inside information on this.


Jim




Re: B&O m-15k & M-15n

Jim Mischke
 


Let me try again copying and pasting as jpgs.

These are from the Tom Underwood collection at the Barriger library, showing the rebuilt M-15n and M-15p that all the M-15k wagtontops disappeared into during 1955-56.   The only difference is 40-ton and 50-ton capacity bearings, respectively.










Delano photos and filters?

Robert kirkham
 

I wonder if this Delano photo reveals a key clue about his process: is this an indicator of a filter?  


(or perhaps just careless scanning of an image still in its plastic sleeve . . . ?)



Rob  

On May 11, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

Are the colors right or wrong.  Yes.

-Hudson <1a35342u.preview4x5 Kodachrome transparency by Alfred Palmer.jpg>


Re: GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Is there a source for the twist ties in HO,  I seem.to remember a supplier who had this item in their line along with a treasure trove of similar detail items. Regretfully the name escapes me.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Date: 4/29/22 12:21 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GN 66203 - flatcar underframe

Twisted wire was a common tie down. It did not have to be saved or returned, factories had lots of it around, and no special tools were needed.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:48 PM Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And notice how they are tied down. 




--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Robert kirkham
 

Yes, right; the talk about the layout was just a bit of fun

Rob

On May 13, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Clarence Zink
 

Considering it is a photo taken from a high vantage point, and looking more closely, it is more likely that the leather bag is sitting on a concrete barrier of some sort.  (The edge of a multistory building, for instance.)  Note the dark particles in the grey matrix of the surface the bag is sitting on.  And the straight line from the upper right to the bottom left.  Also what appears to be a shadow to the left of the bag.  The shadow has a very sharp edge, further indicating some sort of sudden drop/barrier.  And notice how the outermost edge of the ties of the farthest right track is cut off by the same straight line that appears to be the edge of the concrete barrier.

CRZ


Repack interval

greg kennelly
 

Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos.
Thanks,
Greg Kennelly


RCW 6.03 10K insulated AC&F tank car for trade

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

I have a RCW 10k AC&F SHPX/Paluxy Asphalt insulated tank car that I'd be willing to trade for either an 8k RCW insulated tank car (any kit) or the Speedwitch 105.1 MKT boxcar kit. I can be reached at nyc3001@....

Thanks,
Phil Lee

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