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Re: St Louis Refrigerator Car Co

Douglas Harding
 

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Charlie, I finally did some digging and found one of the SLRX cars I did almost 20 years ago, using a MDC reefer kit. Certainly not a detailed model, but at the time it was about the only option for a 36' car. As I was doing a string of Decker and Armour reefers at the time using Clover House dry transfers, I'm pretty sure the SLRX cars also have Clover House lettering.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 8:45 AM Douglas Harding via groups.io <iowacentralrr=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Charlie years ago I used the 36' MDC reefer and I think Clover House dry transfers https://cloverhouse.com/Cart/product_info.php?products_id=10176 
Not a hi detailed model, but an op session good enough.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 6:23 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the replies and images.  Lester Brewer upgraded a pre painted Accurail reefer that was done for a NMRA convention as one of his blogs.  Am thinking that’s a logical choice for a decal set.  SLRX also had bunkerless 36’ (or 34’?) reefers.  Is there a close model that could be converted to one of these cars as well?   

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

Tim O'Connor
 


There were dry ice reefers (attached) and later on (mid 1950's) Pure Carbonic began to operate
a fleet of insulated box cars (RB bunkerless refrigerators) and those ran into the 1970's!

Tim O'Connor


On 5/15/2022 9:36 AM, William Dale wrote:
Rob,
     During the Valley Forge RPM, Steve Funaro presented on the dry ice cars of the era. While the photo attached is a finished kit he released, and not necessarily this exact topic, the car in question was touched off upon. Now, Steve did express an interest in doing these particular style of cars, it may be quite a time till we see it, but maybe it may be worth a try to contact them. Just a thought.

Billy

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

John Riddell
 

Jim,

In July 1965 there were still 12 USRA DS boxcars in revenue service for the TH&B.

John Riddell


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

Robert kirkham
 

I should have included a screen capture from the original image, as its not showing the car being issued by F&C.   Here it is:


Rob

On May 14, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Thanks for the lead Phil.

Rob

On May 14, 2022, at 10:32 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

iirc most of the DICX reefers were rebuilt from MDT wood and composite reefers.

-Phil Lee



Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

kevinhlafferty
 

Those kits are actually available. They don't appear to be listed on the F&C website but Locomotive Hobbies has them available on eBay along with what I assume is an earlier style car. I have purchased one of the kits but am currently awaiting some replacement decals as the ones in the kit were disappointing. YMMV
F&C 8520

Kevin Lafferty


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

William Dale
 


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

William Dale
 

Rob,
     During the Valley Forge RPM, Steve Funaro presented on the dry ice cars of the era. While the photo attached is a finished kit he released, and not necessarily this exact topic, the car in question was touched off upon. Now, Steve did express an interest in doing these particular style of cars, it may be quite a time till we see it, but maybe it may be worth a try to contact them. Just a thought.

Billy


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the lead Phil.

Rob

On May 14, 2022, at 10:32 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

iirc most of the DICX reefers were rebuilt from MDT wood and composite reefers.

-Phil Lee


Re: Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

nyc3001 .
 

iirc most of the DICX reefers were rebuilt from MDT wood and composite reefers.

-Phil Lee


Re: Repack interval

greg kennelly
 

Thank you, Guy and others who responded to my question.  Based on that information, it would seem reasonable to me to expect that a photograph of a STMFC with a repack stencil of 4 Sep 1951 would be dated sometime between that date and early December 1952, or did a more stringent rule apply before 1953 that would shorten the interval.  I am attempting to determine the approximate date of introduction of a particular British American Oil Company paint scheme.
Greg Kennelly


Re: PFE 9245x R-30-5 in April 1943 - still in late 1920s paint?

Tony Thompson
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Continue to explore what is lurking in the Delano collection, and found this very partial image of PFE 9245X.   It is past the shed, among the nearer cars one track to its left (a little lower and further left than the two aluminum or white coloured tanks).   https://www.loc.gov/item/2017878186/.   Being only casually acquainted with the PFE, I went to the ORER first, and then to the PFE book and Tony Thompson’s blog.   Still wondering what I’m seeing.   So, not trying to be provocative but the photo makes me curious. 

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My understanding has been that the earlier, more yellow, PFE colour would have been long gone by the mid 1930s (see p.117 of the PFE book by Thompson, Church & Jones, 2nd ed.) but this photo (8-9 years after 47606 cars had been (re)-painted) doesn’t show orange.  

Rob, it’s well known that PFE orange weathered/faded to a yellowish color. That’s what you see.

Tony Thompson



Dry Ice Corp reefer, DICX ?? 218? in May 1943

Robert kirkham
 

I’m not sure how many colour photos there are of these reefers in the midst of WWII.  Pealing paint make the reporting marks a bit tricky, but if you squint right, they are obvious.  My 1953 ORER copy doesn’t list a car with the number series i’ve used; - something like 218?  Hard to say.  The car is a bright white (or aluminum?) colour - the second nearest car to the photographer, right of centre in the photos.    https://www.loc.gov/item/2017878179/

Might make an interesting modelling project.  I wonder if there are better photos or drawings, or it would be a “make your best guess” project . . .

Rob


PFE 9245x R-30-5 in April 1943 - still in late 1920s paint?

Robert kirkham
 

Continue to explore what is lurking in the Delano collection, and found this very partial image of PFE 9245X.   It is past the shed, among the nearer cars one track to its left (a little lower and further left than the two aluminum or white coloured tanks).   https://www.loc.gov/item/2017878186/.   Being only casually acquainted with the PFE, I went to the ORER first, and then to the PFE book and Tony Thompson’s blog.   Still wondering what I’m seeing.   So, not trying to be provocative but the photo makes me curious. 


My understanding has been that the earlier, more yellow, PFE colour would have been long gone by the mid 1930s (see p.117 of the PFE book by Thompson, Church & Jones, 2nd ed.) but this photo (8-9 years after 47606 cars had been (re)-painted) doesn’t show orange.   I’m thinking: armour-yellowish car sides, bare galvanized roof with bare wood or boxcar red battens, hatches, platforms and running boards, and uh?? boxcar red car end (unless that’s black?).   I suppose it could be very badly worn paint; it is mid WWII after all.

The other explanation -  colour issues with Delano photos - does not provide a satisfying explanation for this photo.  The rendering of colour in the balance of the photo indicates that orange was well within the capability of the film and exposure.  This small piece of loading dock equipment (to the left of the MKT boxcar) demonstrates that:

These other cars provide further evidence of the great range of colour in the photo.  Both are interesting, eh!  


Still having a lot of fun just exploring Delano’s record.


Rob


Re: Livestock car?

Nelson Moyer
 

The CB&Q converted baggage cars into horse cars with rows of screened windows on both sides of the doors like the ones in the photo. The only other thing I can think of is that this was a MOW car to carry a large crew of workers to the work site.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Livestock car?

 

No reporting marks evident, but an interesting car.  https://www.loc.gov/item/2017878181/   Compared to the nearer cars a 45’ or 50’ car?

 

Yes, another Delano photo.   

 

 

Rob


Livestock car?

Robert kirkham
 

No reporting marks evident, but an interesting car.  https://www.loc.gov/item/2017878181/   Compared to the nearer cars a 45’ or 50’ car?

Yes, another Delano photo.   


Rob


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks for that! I knew I bought that Westerfield GN kit all those years ago for a good reason, as
I was modeling up to 1960 then. But now in 1973 I expect they're gone - at the 50 year limit if for
no other reason.



On 5/14/2022 5:06 PM, Robert Heninger wrote:
Tim,

There's a Dick Kuelbs photo of GN 25947 on the MKT in Dallas, TX in 1961 on page 17 of Great Northern Equipment Color Pictorial, Book One - Box Cars and Stock Cars, by Scott R. Thompson. Granted, this is a USRA clone built 1923, but it is in revenue service, and is not labeled for hide service.

There's a J.W. Mathews photo of GN 25063 (a clone) at Wenatchee, WA in March of 1961, from Richard Hendrickson's collection published on page 138 of the Second Edition of Lines East, by Patrick C. Dorin. It is in revenue service, not labeled for hide service.

I have a photo in my collection of  GN 24667, which is one of the USRA cars, with a 4-62 reweigh date, taken 1962 in Baltimore, MD, by Joe Collias. This car too is in revenue service, and is not stenciled for hide service.

I do have a Joe Collias photo of GN 25183, one of the clones, taken in 1963 in Watertown, SD, labeled for hide service. 

The cars are all in the postwar overall mineral red scheme, with the "Great Northern Railway" herald.

One caveat: GN did replace the grab iron "ladders" on the cars with actual ladders in a post-WWII reconditioning of the cars, but they kept their wood running boards and Murphy XLA roofs.

The GN did use these two series as stock for 1950s rebuilding programs that resulted in stock cars, and many were converted to MOW bunk cars, etc. in the 1950s, but my July 1960 ORER lists 264 of the USRA cars and 367 of the USRA clones in revenue service.

These are the latest surviving revenue service wood sheathed USRA cars I am aware of.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Clarence Zink
 

Not April 1st???  Since getting retired, time has just s l o o o o o w  w   w   e  d way down.

Ha!


Re: Delano photos and filters?

Clarence Zink
 

It is obvious it is two different photos overlaid.  The yard tracks on the left do not align with the tracks on the right.  A common "end of roll" snafu.  Two pictures overlaid because he either threaded on new film a little bit long, and the frame didn't advance properly, or the film ran short on the very last frame, and again, two shots were overlaid. 

It used to happen a lot if you tried to "stretch" a 20 frame roll of 35mm film (slide or print) to more than 21 photos.  (Or a 36 frame film to 38 or more frames.)  You had to be very careful how the film was originally threaded on the takeup roller of the camera.

And, it could also be a sloppy bit of digitizing.

CRZ


Re: Rapido USRA double sheath and single sheath boxcar question

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

There's a Dick Kuelbs photo of GN 25947 on the MKT in Dallas, TX in 1961 on page 17 of Great Northern Equipment Color Pictorial, Book One - Box Cars and Stock Cars, by Scott R. Thompson. Granted, this is a USRA clone built 1923, but it is in revenue service, and is not labeled for hide service.

There's a J.W. Mathews photo of GN 25063 (a clone) at Wenatchee, WA in March of 1961, from Richard Hendrickson's collection published on page 138 of the Second Edition of Lines East, by Patrick C. Dorin. It is in revenue service, not labeled for hide service.

I have a photo in my collection of  GN 24667, which is one of the USRA cars, with a 4-62 reweigh date, taken 1962 in Baltimore, MD, by Joe Collias. This car too is in revenue service, and is not stenciled for hide service.

I do have a Joe Collias photo of GN 25183, one of the clones, taken in 1963 in Watertown, SD, labeled for hide service. 

The cars are all in the postwar overall mineral red scheme, with the "Great Northern Railway" herald.

One caveat: GN did replace the grab iron "ladders" on the cars with actual ladders in a post-WWII reconditioning of the cars, but they kept their wood running boards and Murphy XLA roofs.

The GN did use these two series as stock for 1950s rebuilding programs that resulted in stock cars, and many were converted to MOW bunk cars, etc. in the 1950s, but my July 1960 ORER lists 264 of the USRA cars and 367 of the USRA clones in revenue service.

These are the latest surviving revenue service wood sheathed USRA cars I am aware of.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND 


Re: Repack interval

Guy Wilber
 

Greg asked:

"Was there a regulated interval for repacking plain journals in the early 1950s?  If not, what was a typical interval, please?  I am hoping to be able to use repack dates to get realistic estimates of the dates of some tank car photos."

1953 Rule 66, (a) Journal boxes on empty cars, not repacked within 15 months, as indicated by the stenciling on the car, regardless of the responsibility of the handling company for the change of wheels or other repairs, must be repacked.  After the expiration of fourteen months, if empty or loaded car is is on repair track for other work, journal boxes must be repacked regardless of whether or not car requires other repairs.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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