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Re: IHB boxcar finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

The decals showed a light weight ‘new’ year of 1944.  

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:38 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
Those Tichy kits are very underrated. Sure wish the Tooling & Die guy had got around to making some additional prototypes.   
Your build is beautiful. On the IHB decals, any information on when that scheme was first used?
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Re: IHB boxcar finished

radiodial868
 

Those Tichy kits are very underrated. Sure wish the Tooling & Die guy had got around to making some additional prototypes.   
Your build is beautiful. On the IHB decals, any information on when that scheme was first used?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Carmer uncoupling hardware

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

 

While couplers changed over time (for example type D to type E around WWII), iirc, both could be either top or bottom operated. Carmer devices were not the only top operated device as many early rod type uncoupling levers were also top operating. That was not the issue.

 

The issue was that, to operate a Carmer lever, the operator had to press DOWN on the lever. To operate either top or bottom operating rod levers, the operator had to lift UP. Pressing down was a safety hazard because a slip placed you on the ground, near the wheels whereas it was easier to brace and not slip when lifting.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Guy/anyone who knows,

  Did the coupler itself change?  I'm asking if the Carmer cut levers would
not work on 'later' couplers.  And were those couplers 'mandated' or the
top activated 'outlawed' thus ending the usefulness of the Carmers?
  Sind bottom activated cut levers 'replaced' the top activated ... what
was the advantage of them over top activated?  Was the pin more
likely to drop correctly with bottom operated or something like that?
                                                                          - Jim in the PNW


Re: F&C AC&F Mathieson Dry Ice Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Any ideas who built this one?


On 5/18/2022 12:57 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On May 17, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Bruce,
The 25 MAWX 5034-5058 dry ice cars built 10-47 by Despatch Shops, Inc., were similar to conventional steel refrigerator cars from an overall outward appearance to include roof hatches at each corner. The side swing doors with 8 hinges (4 per door) were significantly different than the various hinges used by PFE, URTX, ART, and many others. The rotating part of the hinges attached to the doors were long, narrow steel plate that extended horizontally from the door edge to nearly the center. Bob’s Photo has a photo of MAWX 5049 taken in July 1952 & Arnold Menke’s collection has MAWX 5040 taken ca. 1954.

I’ll also use this message to note a  fat-finger typo on my previous reply in which the 6-car series for ACF lot 2427 should be MAWX 5028-5033, built 4-42.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

 

Let me suggest that you have it backwards. The cars are OUTSIDE the fence, not enclosed by it. The fence is designed to control access to the rail yard and warehouse area. And of course, access is from the continuation at the bottom of the screen, likely off an road that runs by the facility.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Hi,
  Additional/followup question ... speaking of those autos.  First, I'm kind of surprised
that they are behind a fence ... I'm guessing theft risks.  And, more importantly, how
did those cars and the trucks get to this area?  I'm guessing that the only route in is
via some access along the water between the ends of the buildings and the sea wall.
                                                                        - Jim in the PNW


Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  Additional/followup question ... speaking of those autos.  First, I'm kind of surprised
that they are behind a fence ... I'm guessing theft risks.  And, more importantly, how
did those cars and the trucks get to this area?  I'm guessing that the only route in is
via some access along the water between the ends of the buildings and the sea wall.
                                                                        - Jim in the PNW


Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Jim Betz
 

Bob,
  Thanks for this photo and all of the others you post - they are valued.
  In this pic the detail that I love is that rubber-tired truck backed in between two
box cars!
  I also love seeing all of those 50's era automobiles parked "in between the
tracks".  This is something we can use on our layouts!  Of course that means
also including the roads/routes and crossings for them to get there.  All easy
enough to do and as is often said "the devil is in the details".
                                                                                  - Jim in the PNW


Re: Carmer uncoupling hardware

Jim Betz
 

  "Sind" should have been "Since".


Re: Carmer uncoupling hardware

Jim Betz
 

Guy/anyone who knows,

  Did the coupler itself change?  I'm asking if the Carmer cut levers would
not work on 'later' couplers.  And were those couplers 'mandated' or the
top activated 'outlawed' thus ending the usefulness of the Carmers?
  Sind bottom activated cut levers 'replaced' the top activated ... what
was the advantage of them over top activated?  Was the pin more
likely to drop correctly with bottom operated or something like that?
                                                                          - Jim in the PNW


Re: Carmer uncoupling hardware

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you for the clarification, Guy!

It seems the newer rotating handle uncoupling designs came into use almost at the same time as AB brake systems on new freight cars.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On 05/17/2022 9:32 PM Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro wrote:   “In what time frame were these levers phased out?” Eric replied, “…at a point in the 1930s, uncoupling moved to a bottom pin pull on new freight cars and the uncoupling hardware became somewhat standardized for a couple of decades."

1933 Interchange Rule 3, Section (c), Paragraph (9) Coupler operating rigging of the rotating type handle (which pulls out and up through an arc similar to type shown on Plate B of The United States Safely Appliance specifications), required on all cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933.  Note -- It is recommended that where cars built prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class 1 general repairs and new couplers are applied, that the rotating type handle of uncoupling rigging be applied.

"Was Carmer hardware banned from interchange or outlawed by law or regulation? If so, when?"

Carmer type uncoupling devices were never prohibited in interchange.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



Re: IHB boxcar finished

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

A really neat job yet again.

Paul Doggett 


On 18 May 2022, at 12:14, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Another NYC subject (this makes three) recent builds; the National Scale Car decals are so well researched I used them on the Tichy kit, the Westerfield modernized 1916 boxcar and Intermountain’s 10’6” 40’ boxcar. TruColor Rock Island FCB mixed with a couple drops of ART yellow for the carbody. Light weathering with colored pencils and a few chalk marks with white pencil.  I upgraded the kits parts with wire handgrabs, flexible rubber air hoses and Tangent cut levers. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


IHB boxcar finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

Another NYC subject (this makes three) recent builds; the National Scale Car decals are so well researched I used them on the Tichy kit, the Westerfield modernized 1916 boxcar and Intermountain’s 10’6” 40’ boxcar. TruColor Rock Island FCB mixed with a couple drops of ART yellow for the carbody. Light weathering with colored pencils and a few chalk marks with white pencil.  I upgraded the kits parts with wire handgrabs, flexible rubber air hoses and Tangent cut levers. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Aerial Photo: U.S. Navy Brooklyn Yard (1937)

Jim Mischke
 



What a fabulous view!

Except for the P&LE long mill gondola in the foreground, the freight cars seem to be government-owned and in rolling parts inventory service. 


Re: F&C AC&F Mathieson Dry Ice Car

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 17, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Bruce,
The 25 MAWX 5034-5058 dry ice cars built 10-47 by Despatch Shops, Inc., were similar to conventional steel refrigerator cars from an overall outward appearance to include roof hatches at each corner. The side swing doors with 8 hinges (4 per door) were significantly different than the various hinges used by PFE, URTX, ART, and many others. The rotating part of the hinges attached to the doors were long, narrow steel plate that extended horizontally from the door edge to nearly the center. Bob’s Photo has a photo of MAWX 5049 taken in July 1952 & Arnold Menke’s collection has MAWX 5040 taken ca. 1954.

I’ll also use this message to note a  fat-finger typo on my previous reply in which the 6-car series for ACF lot 2427 should be MAWX 5028-5033, built 4-42.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Carmer uncoupling hardware

Guy Wilber
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:   “In what time frame were these levers phased out?” Eric replied, “…at a point in the 1930s, uncoupling moved to a bottom pin pull on new freight cars and the uncoupling hardware became somewhat standardized for a couple of decades."

1933 Interchange Rule 3, Section (c), Paragraph (9) Coupler operating rigging of the rotating type handle (which pulls out and up through an arc similar to type shown on Plate B of The United States Safely Appliance specifications), required on all cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933.  Note -- It is recommended that where cars built prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class 1 general repairs and new couplers are applied, that the rotating type handle of uncoupling rigging be applied.

"Was Carmer hardware banned from interchange or outlawed by law or regulation? If so, when?"

Carmer type uncoupling devices were never prohibited in interchange.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: F&C AC&F Mathieson Dry Ice Car

Bruce Smith
 

Ed, Folks,

Thanks!  Interestingly, the decal sheet with the early version of the F&C kit has decals for MAWX 5035. There are three sets of data, but no additional numbers to allow for numbering in the series posted below. That is, with one extra 5035, there are not enough duplicate numbers to number the car sides anything but 5035 without looking for additional decals. It does have car end decals for MAWX 5030, 5033, and 5035. The car # pictured in in the instructions is 5032, but there are no decals for that car number in the kit.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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On May 15, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Given the SHPX markings on the early kit, is it reasonable to think the that car was built by AC&F?

Bruce,
Following is a list of ACF dry ice cars built with sides in which the upper part are sloped. Build dates range from 1935 to 1946. Several prior orders built from 1932 to 1935 had straight sides. In the list the 4-digit ACF lot no. is followed by the reporting marks, car no. series, quantity built, and build date. As the roster denotes, there were relatively few cars of this type built by ACF with all 38 built at the Chicago plant.

1409 - LCIX 1006-1010, 5, 5-35
1487 - MALX 5016-5017, 2, 5-36
1643 - MAWX 5018-5019, 2, 5-37
1681 - MAWX 5020, 1, 1937 (month unknown)
1801 - MAWX 5021-5023, 3, 4-38
2206 - MAWX 5024-5027, 4, 5-41
2427 - MAWX 5028-5032, 6, 4-42
2828 - SHPX 1500-1514, 15, 3-46 (leased to Mathieson) 

Painting specs for all cars: aluminum superstructure; black underframe, grabs, hand brake, brake rigging, and trucks. Stencils for the LCIX cars were green & vermillion. Stencils were black for MALX, MAWX, SHPX. Incidentally, these cars were not all of the same exact design. ACF drawings denote the same general arrg’t drawing applied to lots 1487, 1643, and 1681. A difference g/a drawing applied to lots 2206, 2427, and 2828. Lots 1409 and 1801 both had a g/a drawing unique to each lot number. In addition are 4 g/a drawings for dry ice cars with straight sides for MALX and LCIX. Four brake arrg’t drawings cover one lot with straight sides and three that apply to all 8 lots with sloped sides. 

The National Museum of Transportation has these g/a and b/a drawings plus numerous detail parts these cars. 

Contact me OFF-LIST if interested in obtaining a PDF of the available drawings. While I can provide the drawing list, the NMOT processes the orders.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins









Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Jason P
 

At minimum that photo would be 1958. Scanning the identifiable cars parked along the road, I can spot a pair of 1958 Chevrolets among the group. That's the newest model that I can make out. I can see several 57 models too including an Oldsmobile, several Fords, a Chevrolet and Mercury Commuter wagon.

-Jason P

On 05/17/2022 1:10 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Photo and information from the U.S. Military Railroad blog:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vq23lqNxtAc/WOZN5nGNHEI/AAAAAAAAKRU/SZh2AiQzCYIBz8RFmaANIh5SvHLSs3pngCLcB/s1600/BrookeAveOverallView.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

The location was the Southgate Terminal Corporation at the former C&O Railroad Brooke Avenue Yard in Norfolk, Virginia. The terminal was an isolated switching district that was only served by rail via a car float from Newport News. The C&O yard was surrounded by warehouses, factories, a brewery, a concrete freight depot, and a large molasses tank.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Todd Sullivan
 

Wow!  Some of those turnouts look like No.3s.  Amazing what you can get away with when space is tight.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Photo: Car Ferry At Brooke Avenue Yard

Scott
 

Can't remember if it was Model Railroader or Model Railroader planning put they did a really nice track plan for this location.  Think it was 2x16 if I remember.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

O Fenton Wells
 

Great photo Bob, thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:10 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Second Brooke Avenue Yard (Circa 1950s)

Photo and information from the U.S. Military Railroad blog:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vq23lqNxtAc/WOZN5nGNHEI/AAAAAAAAKRU/SZh2AiQzCYIBz8RFmaANIh5SvHLSs3pngCLcB/s1600/BrookeAveOverallView.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

The location was the Southgate Terminal Corporation at the former C&O Railroad Brooke Avenue Yard in Norfolk, Virginia. The terminal was an isolated switching district that was only served by rail via a car float from Newport News. The C&O yard was surrounded by warehouses, factories, a brewery, a concrete freight depot, and a large molasses tank.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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