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Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Fred Jansz
 

You don't have to make 'em, because they can. My Westside GS-64 can pull 52+ cars level (can't have more on my layout). My W&R 2-8-8-2 can pull even more. Brass is a constant headache though: parts fall off, gears got worn out, drivers worn, shorts all over the place. All can be repaired/upgraded, however; you need brass skills to run brass trains. Most end up in the showcase or worse: in their boxes in a closet...
Fred Jansz


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 22, 2022, at 14:44, Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:

Question: is the name pronounced a-cane, a-con-e, soft or hard a, or something else?
Because it's Japanese, it's "Ah Kah Neh".
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The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Re: H34s Aren't

John Sykes III
 

Yeah.  I thought they were ACF 1958s.

-- John


Re: Indianapolis RPM Pictures?

O Fenton Wells
 

Speaking of vesties, we are supposed to wear ours when we go to boat reunions and SubVet meetings.  Sometimes I do.  Here I am at the USS HAlibut (SSN-587) reunion in Nashville at the Grand Ole Opry with my way cool vest.  ;>)  This is back before the heart surgery and the throat cancer, 75 lbs heavier back then.


On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:14 PM Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
Long drive to and from. Interestingly I got 2 more miles to the gallon average driving across Illinois and Indiana. Must have to do with grades and wind west of the River? Will not travel that far E/W again. Paying more attention to the scenery than the road  I noticed fields of yellow flowering plants in eastern IL and in IN. Looked like something out of the Scenic Express catalog. I was told they’re Canola plants. Glad to know there won’t be a canola disease that wipes out the canola critters causing another shortage and price gouging  ;  ))
Before leaving I got an email from the hotel saying they couldn’t guarantee whether we’d get a single or double bed room. Never heard of such a thing. After some anxiety the NMRA guy in charge of facilities got it straighten out. Other than that the hotel was a great stage for the event!! They offered a grab’n’go breakfast and lunch that might have been better and definitely cheaper than walking up the street to the fast food places. The food at the “Friend of the Freight Car” dinner was excellent too!
They segregated the NMRA and RPM rooms. I’m guessing the ratio was more than 80% NMRA people. They said attendance was over 500. I attended three of their clinics all very well attended. The RPM clinics were less than half full. About the same number of models displayed in the RPM room as in the contests in the NMRA room. The NMRA ran a very strange sale event that thankfully was well organized. I was able to come away with a bundle scale rail track and another Front Range box car to replace the one I just ruined. There were two large rooms for venders, nothing I was interested in...Thank goodness  ;  ))
Best rumor was the resurrection of the ChicagoLand RPM maybe this Oct.? Fingers crossed...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
PS: Only saw a couple of those ‘vesties’ guys



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Re: Indianapolis RPM Pictures?

Clark Propst
 

Long drive to and from. Interestingly I got 2 more miles to the gallon average driving across Illinois and Indiana. Must have to do with grades and wind west of the River? Will not travel that far E/W again. Paying more attention to the scenery than the road  I noticed fields of yellow flowering plants in eastern IL and in IN. Looked like something out of the Scenic Express catalog. I was told they’re Canola plants. Glad to know there won’t be a canola disease that wipes out the canola critters causing another shortage and price gouging  ;  ))
Before leaving I got an email from the hotel saying they couldn’t guarantee whether we’d get a single or double bed room. Never heard of such a thing. After some anxiety the NMRA guy in charge of facilities got it straighten out. Other than that the hotel was a great stage for the event!! They offered a grab’n’go breakfast and lunch that might have been better and definitely cheaper than walking up the street to the fast food places. The food at the “Friend of the Freight Car” dinner was excellent too!
They segregated the NMRA and RPM rooms. I’m guessing the ratio was more than 80% NMRA people. They said attendance was over 500. I attended three of their clinics all very well attended. The RPM clinics were less than half full. About the same number of models displayed in the RPM room as in the contests in the NMRA room. The NMRA ran a very strange sale event that thankfully was well organized. I was able to come away with a bundle scale rail track and another Front Range box car to replace the one I just ruined. There were two large rooms for venders, nothing I was interested in...Thank goodness  ;  ))
Best rumor was the resurrection of the ChicagoLand RPM maybe this Oct.? Fingers crossed...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
PS: Only saw a couple of those ‘vesties’ guys


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Jerry Michels
 

My take is that brass manufacturing progressed from excellent runners with less details (good for the era), to poor runners with good detail, to fine runners with excellent detail.  I admit my experience is colored by being a MoPac follower, so I liked the PFM 2201 4-8-4, knew I was going to have to have 99% of Hallmark rebuilt, and absolutely loved the later Overland 2101 4-4 and 1901 2-8-4 production.  Among MoPac modelers the saying was that you ran Hallmark for five feet and the side rods fell off.  Even their best effort, the single 3000 class 2-8-8-2 was nicely detailed but performed poorly.It was interesting to see the cylinder saddle on the rear engine waddling back and forth as a cold solder joint gave way after the proverbial five feet.

My best experience was to have the great fortune to purchase a number of super brass locomotives from the late Joe Collias collection. They needed new motors, DCC and sound. They were older brass 1960s 'bases' (I think Akane) super-detailed for the Missouri Pacific.  

Question: is the name pronounced a-cane, a-con-e, soft or hard a, or something else?

Jerry Michels


Additional Data Sheet for CB&Q XM-32 class Boxcars

Nelson Moyer
 

I meant to include this file with the original post. It extends the data beyond my modeling period of 1953.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Indianapolis RPM Pictures?

Eric Hansmann
 

I arrived home a few hours ago. I need to tweak the photos before I load them into my pBase gallery. Other tasks are ahead in the queue. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 22, 2022, at 10:11 AM, bn2204 via groups.io <doswift@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of photos of the Indianapolis RPM meet posted anywhere?

Darrall Swift
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa:August-September 1979


Re: H34s Aren't

Brian Carlson
 

Someone on Bowser’s marketing, web, or art staff got into the edibles. 


Are just the standard Bowser ACF 1958 cubic foot covered hoppers gussied up a little. 

Thankfully even Bowser wasn’t dumb enough to paint one Pennsylvania.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 22, 2022, at 12:18 PM, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Check out Bowser's webpage.  They are advertising these as H34s!

-- John

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Silk Trains

Bob Chaparro
 

Silk Trains

An article from the Minnesota Historical Society:

http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/54/v54i01p016-031.pdf

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Philip Dove
 

Certainly not brass in detail but old Rivarossi (ahm) can haul impressive amounts.  My Y6b 2-8-8-2hauled all my 54 cars round and round a layout involving 3'radius curves and grades of up to 8%the train was nearly always on two corners so the rear car was running at 180 degrees to the locomotives direction. Only some of the locos sold under the Ahm brand were by Rivarossi. 


Re: Related question: Vallejo equivalent to Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red

George Hollwedel
 

Lester, 

I can't make out what you mean by Vallejo 70.i62, 70.862 perhaps?

True-Color makes TCP-171 bottle, TCP-4013 spray can Weathered Black
Tamiya makes Rubber Black which is good for the Floquil Grimy Black, Xf-85 or LP-65 Lacquer or TS-82 spray can

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
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2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-796-6883
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On Friday, May 13, 2022, 11:45:36 AM CDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


Peter I have been using Vallejo paints since came on market.   In the Model Air or Model Color I find no equivalent.  Polly 
Scale Lt. Freight Car Red F414352.

Best suggestion I have is to start with a mix of Model Air Rust 71.080.  50%.  and Mahogany Brown 70.846. 50% which will provide the best  starting point I know.  You will have to change shade from there if desired.

And Bruce for Floquil “Grime”. Vallejo Model Color Black Grey. 70.i62.   I have no current suggestion for Weathered Black with the purplish black look.

Lester Breuer


Re: H34s Aren't

John Sykes III
 

Check out Bowser's webpage.  They are advertising these as H34s!

-- John


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunately many HO scale model mechanisms are not very good or long lasting. But with knowledge
and some skills many can be rebuilt to run like the proverbial Swiss watch. But throughout the era of brass
imports from the 1950's to the present (well over 20,000 models) there are many examples of excellent
mechanisms. Many now fail because of materials that degraded naturally, plastics and rubber especially.

And early brass has the virtue that it's far easier to repair! I am terrified to try and take apart a Challenger
or recent Precision Scale articulated, for example. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 5/21/2022 3:44 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Older brass steam can barely pull itself, much less a train.  I think they were built for show rather than running.  

There are examples of this but plenty of older (pre-1970) brass that pulls wonderfully.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: H34s Aren't

Tim O'Connor
 


Bowser doesn't make an H34 model (PS-2 2003). They do make an H43 model, which is an open hopper.
And I think they make an H30, which is a 2 bay covered hopper. And I think the Bowser ACF 1958 cubic foot
covered hoppers can be kitbashed to make the PRR H33.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/21/2022 4:12 PM, John Sykes III via groups.io wrote:
I saw an ad that just came out for Bowser  "H34" covered hopper cars.  First, I noticed that PRR was not one of the road names offered, which makes sense since the PRR H34s and more numerous H34as all had round hatches (to the best of my knowledge) and the Bowser kit is shown with square hatches.  These models are closer to a generic PS2 hopper, however, some of the build dates shown are inconsistent and at least one model had a clear ACF builder's stencil on it.  Check your prototype before buying.  I'm wondering if these are actually ACF prototypes mislabeled in the ad as H34s?  The Kadee covered hoppers are dead-on for the PRR H34/H34a cars.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Indianapolis RPM Pictures?

bn2204
 

Does anyone know of photos of the Indianapolis RPM meet posted anywhere?

Darrall Swift
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa:August-September 1979


Re: CB&Q Intermountain 10’ 6” boxcar questions

Nelson Moyer
 

CB&Q XM-32 boxcars with ABCDEF variants were built between 1940 and 1958, so there are many differences among cars in this series. I would refer anyone modeling any of these cars to Burlington Bulletin No. 7 as the best single reference. This is supplemented by three articles in Mainline Modeler written by Jerry Hamsmith (one coauthored with Ed Rethwisch) in the September 1993, June 1994, and March 1996 issues.

 

Variations included trucks, handbrakes, doors, running boards, ladders, etc. Variations occurred between classes and within classes (trucks, handbrakes, and doors), so it’s necessary to know all of the prototype information for the specific car number you wish to model.

 

CB&Q first used steel running boards for the XM-32A class built between 1945 and 1948.

 

Roofs and running boards were painted on the XM-32 series cars, but the paint didn’t last long on the running boards. Steel running boards weren’t painted, but the roofs sere painted. Paint failure on the roof depended on age of the car you’re modeling. Caveat - I model 1953, so my knowledge base ends there.

 

I used the Intermountain shell as the basis for three XM-32A cars, and I have attached my constructions notes with other relevant background material. Ironically, I don’t have a photo of a car in the 33000-33749 series except the photo of 33140 in BB#7 page 7.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 8:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CB&Q Intermountain 10’ 6” boxcar questions

 

Nelson
Here’s two images of the 40’ Q boxcars are you saying the top one should be the pattern on the model?  Appreciate the feedback.  How about the roof walk; painted or unpainted?
 Thanks 
Charlie


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Bill McClure
 

There are examples of this but plenty of older (pre-1970) brass that pulls wonderfully.

Yes, indeed, think Akane and PFM/United. As time passed, the market seemed to move towards collectors, and detail became more important than operation. Those big Pittman, or Pittman-style motors put out the torque.

Bill


Re: Adding patches and light weights to finished models

Edward
 

Cars were-re-weighed following repairs, reconditioning, getting replacement trucks or wheels which increases their weight.
Cars lose weight as they are used, so they are re-weighed on a scheduled basis to check on that as well.

Ed Bommer


Re: CB&Q Intermountain 10’ 6” boxcar questions

Paul Doggett
 

Nice work Charlie it looks really good.

Paul Doggett.      England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 21 May 2022, at 21:38, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Here’s the $10 kit finished, roof toned down with brown and black dry pigments, a little brown also run down the rivet seams and white oils below the door to denote a few broken flour sacks while in transit.  Did the Q paint the roof walks?
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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