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Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

Tony Thompson
 

Hey, PFE had the biggest fleet. What’s the problem?
Tony Thompson 


On May 27, 2022, at 5:47 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Jerry, from what I can see, one can model a believable PFE and SFRD fleet with plastic models and kits. But that's pretty much it. Resin offerings had/have much better variety, but as you said, building a believable reefer fleet isn't easy. In fact, depending on where you model, I would say it's impossible unless you scratchbuild or kitbash multiple models.

Take the Central's Water Level Route, which I would like to model. Let's use ART as an example. Based on consists for NY-4, NY-8, and other trains that carried large amounts of produce, there would frequently be between ~6 and ~14 ART reefers in a train. So let's split the difference and say 10 ART reefers would be well within in the realm of plausibility for my situation.

Based on fleet statistics, it looks like I would roughly need 6 wood reefers, 1 round-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, 2 square-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel cars, and one early steel reefer which was quite similar to the R-40-10.

So I would need to build 6 Sunshine wood reefer kits (some of which would need replacement metal roofs; let's say 3-4) and 2 Sunshine square-corner steel cars. The round-corner steel car would be covered by the Intermountain model, and so would the "R-40-10," although it would require reworking some rivets and replacing the door hinges.

And that's just ART, to say nothing of Swift, Armour, Cudahy, the FGEX consortium, Morrell, URTX, etc.

Don't even get me started on MDT. The short version of the MDT problem in HO is that there's no commercially-available M-4 in any form, the 6000 series (the most common MDT composite reefer series at 2000 members) hasn't been available from Sunshine for perhaps two decades, and we need Stan Rydarowicz's end castings very badly to kitbash R-40-23s into MDT steel cars. The result is that, despite the fact that I model the Central, I somehow have over 20 PFE reefers, but only 4 MDT reefers.

-Phil


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

nyc3001 .
 
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Jerry, from what I can see, one can model a believable PFE and SFRD fleet with plastic models and kits. But that's pretty much it. Resin offerings had/have much better variety, but as you said, building a believable reefer fleet isn't easy. In fact, depending on where you model, I would say it's impossible unless you scratchbuild or kitbash multiple models.

Take the New York Central's Water Level Route, which I would like to model. Let's use ART as an example. Based on consists for NY-4, NY-8, and other trains that carried large amounts of produce, there would frequently be between ~6 and ~14 ART reefers in a train. So let's split the difference and say 10 ART reefers would be well within in the realm of plausibility for my situation.

Based on fleet statistics, it looks like I would roughly need 6 wood reefers, 2 round-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, 1 square-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, and one early steel reefer which was quite similar to the R-40-10.

So I would need to build 6 Sunshine wood reefer kits (some of which would need replacement metal roofs; let's say 3-4) and 2 Sunshine round-corner steel cars. The square-corner steel car would be covered by the Intermountain model, and so would the "R-40-10," although it would require reworking some rivets and replacing the door hinges.

And that's just ART, to say nothing of Swift, Armour, Cudahy, the FGEX consortium, Morrell, URTX, etc.

Don't even get me started on MDT. The short version of the MDT problem in HO is that there's no commercially-available M-4 in any form, the 6000 series (the most common MDT composite reefer series at 2000 members) hasn't been available from Sunshine for perhaps two decades, and we need Stan Rydarowicz's end castings very badly to kitbash R-40-23s into MDT steel cars. The result is that, despite the fact that I model the Central, I somehow have over 20 PFE reefers, but only 4 MDT reefers.

-Phil


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

lrkdbn
 

I would gladly buy a good resin kit. I would NOT buy more Chinese RTR.
Larry King


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 26, 2022, at 12:30, steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

I was unaware of that Charlie. There are any number of Brits discussing how to size continuous springs, usually under the term CSB (continuous springy beam)

http://www.clag.org.uk/beam-annex3.html

Sprung Hornblocks (aka axleboxes) have their proponents as well. The springs have to be carefully sized though, not too stiff. Paul, Eileen's and Alan Gibson in the UK may offer something suitable?
Whenever this subject rears its head above the noise level[0] I remember reading and photocopying one or more articles in Model Railroader [pre-1979] discussing fully equalizing a locomotive (in HO scale) rather than individually springing the driving axles, this in concert with balancing the locomotive fore-and-aft. This was reasonably near the time Bob Darwin produced his Art of Superdetailing series.

[0] intentional mixing of metaphors for the fun of it
--
Willie was a chemist,
Now Willie is no more.
What Willie thought was H2O
Was H2SO4


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

Jerry Michels
 

I think a highly detailed RTR ART wooden reefer in plastic would be  a better seller these days than resin.  I've built a number of resin kits, and love them. But it is kind of hard to get a reefer 'fleet.'  There has never been an accurate plastic RTR ART reefer offered. Jerry Michels


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Re: WRX 9000

lrkdbn
 

I recall ca.1979 seeing two of these WRX cars at the then Farmer Jack grocery warehouse at C&O/PM Oak Yard in Detroit,along with an original USRA DS box in company service. I thought at the time, not bad for a then 60
year old underframe design to see three of them at once.
Larry King


Mini-kit for sale

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I have a National Scale Car B&O M55B mini-kit I'm not going to build. Price was $30 +shipping. I would like that money back plus shipping to it's new home. So, I'm asking $45 for the kit.
Thanks!
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Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

william darnaby
 

Here is a photo of watermelons being loaded in a different kind of stock car on the real Indiana Railroad.

Bill Darnaby



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Re: NP Box Cars 17823 and 17925

Clark Propst
 

Nice job of showing your construction steps. Wish more guys would follow suit. Nice builds Gary should be happy  ;  ))
Clark Propst


Re: WRX 9000

Richard Townsend
 

Bill Parks, that’s very helpful. I had a hard time imagining loading dried blood through roof hatches since it normally would be bagged. Not to mention unloading a car full of loose powder.


On May 27, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Richard Townsend <richtownsend@...> wrote:

So the one I was referring to was a rebuilt, ex-DT&I USRA double sheathed boxcar. That’s helpful.


On May 27, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Andy

Thanks I was somewhat suspicious of the description of the cars as reefer rebuilds, since they look
so much like the DT&I cars! :-)


On 5/27/2022 8:45 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:
Tim,

Give this page a look (check the line "ORER Notes" under each listing for special equipment and features):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/orerdetail.htm#WRX9000RS 

WRX put cars in dried blood service in later years (rebuilt ex-DT&I 11500-11799 steel plug-door RB's), but I am not aware of any 1929-built WRX wood-sided cars that had hatches.

Andy L.
Madison WI

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts dti_19131 40ft_PD_box USRA rebuild 1958.jpglovx_949 40ft_PD_box RB exDTI_ rebuild USRA DS XM AmericanColloidCompany overhead-view.jpg


Re: WRX 9000

Richard Townsend
 

So the one I was referring to was a rebuilt, ex-DT&I USRA double sheathed boxcar. That’s helpful.


On May 27, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Andy

Thanks I was somewhat suspicious of the description of the cars as reefer rebuilds, since they look
so much like the DT&I cars! :-)


On 5/27/2022 8:45 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:
Tim,

Give this page a look (check the line "ORER Notes" under each listing for special equipment and features):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/orerdetail.htm#WRX9000RS 

WRX put cars in dried blood service in later years (rebuilt ex-DT&I 11500-11799 steel plug-door RB's), but I am not aware of any 1929-built WRX wood-sided cars that had hatches.

Andy L.
Madison WI

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts dti_19131 40ft_PD_box USRA rebuild 1958.jpglovx_949 40ft_PD_box RB exDTI_ rebuild USRA DS XM AmericanColloidCompany overhead-view.jpg


Re: WRX 9000

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

Thanks I was somewhat suspicious of the description of the cars as reefer rebuilds, since they look
so much like the DT&I cars! :-)


On 5/27/2022 8:45 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Tim,

Give this page a look (check the line "ORER Notes" under each listing for special equipment and features):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/orerdetail.htm#WRX9000RS 

WRX put cars in dried blood service in later years (rebuilt ex-DT&I 11500-11799 steel plug-door RB's), but I am not aware of any 1929-built WRX wood-sided cars that had hatches.

Andy L.
Madison WI

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

Doug Paasch
 

In addition to using stock cars for fruit, they were also pressed into service during the grain rush.  Of course for that they were steam cleaned and lined with cardboard, tarps, possibly plywood or whatever worked to enclose the grain.

Doug Paasch


On Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:29 PM Charles Etheredge <ceth512@...> wrote:
Back in the 1920-50's (for sure),  a LOT of watermelons were loaded on stock cars out of Hempstead, Texas.   That area was one, if not THE hub  of the watermelon areas of the state..
I have a picture somewhere of a dozen or more cattle cars waiting to be loaded with a bunch of horse drawn wagons full of melons.  I've eaten a bunch of Hempstead melons.   Droll......


Re: WRX 9000

Bill Parks
 

The photo in Green's book is after the rebuild from an overhead bunker reefer, to a bunkerless reefer, and the car no longer had any ice bunkers or hatches.  The caption is wrong.  Instead of say "it has eight ice hatches", it should say "it had eight ice hatches", as there are no hatches on the car at the time of that photo.  I think what you are seeing as "hatches" is just rust and discoloring of those panels (weathering).

The caption also mentions that given that the sliding plug door goes all the way to the roof, that the overhead bunkers weren't in use.  In reality, they probably weren't even there having been removed during the rebuild.

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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: WRX 9000

Andy Laurent
 

Tim,

Give this page a look (check the line "ORER Notes" under each listing for special equipment and features):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/orerdetail.htm#WRX9000RS 

WRX put cars in dried blood service in later years (rebuilt ex-DT&I 11500-11799 steel plug-door RB's), but I am not aware of any 1929-built WRX wood-sided cars that had hatches.

Andy L.
Madison WI


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’d not heard this but an improved resin kit over the old Sunshine release is long overdue. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
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Re: NP Box Cars 17823 and 17925

Charlie Duckworth
 

Lester
Very nice, you’ve certainly helped raise the bar on my own building with your detailed notes and parts used. 
Charlie 

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 8:25 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have built two Yarmouth Model Works resin Northern Pacific (NP), steel 1937 design Box Cars 17823 and 17925.  If you are interested in the build of these resin one piece body box car kits.  Photos and writeup of the build process including painting, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer


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Charlie Duckworth 
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Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Paul Doggett
 

Steve 

Can get piano wire down to 0.006” and upwards in increments of 0.001” so it should be suitable for most applications.

Paul Doggett 


On 26 May 2022, at 22:04, steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

Understood Paul, on both - I was referring to coil springs and your comment " get replacement springs from these days fortunately I have some in stock from Greenway Products I am not sure if they are still trading."

I'm also wondering how stuff the piano wire is - if ever needed, and if you find it's too stiff, that'd give you some options.

Steve


Re: NP Box Cars 17823 and 17925

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

Very nicely done models .
Paul Doggett 


On 27 May 2022, at 02:25, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



I have built two Yarmouth Model Works resin Northern Pacific (NP), steel 1937 design Box Cars 17823 and 17925.  If you are interested in the build of these resin one piece body box car kits.  Photos and writeup of the build process including painting, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

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