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Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Tom Madden
 

The car number of the reefer with the yellow end appears to be 37125. That would make it an almost brand-new Santa Fe Rr-22, a 50' car, one of 200 delivered in the summer of 1937 according to the SFMO/SFRH&MS refrigerator car book. 

Tom Madden


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Ken Adams
 

A very interesting series of photos.  Much later in the 1980's I worked for Crowley Maritime who still owned Red Stack Tugboats before selling it to Fosse. 
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Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Westerfield offers two radial roofs separately: the 4600 which is a 13 ribbed roof and the 1900 which is a plain style radial roof.
Fenton

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 1:16 PM James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:
Steve,

Westerfield offers its USRA SS N&W with the radial roof;

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=190

Although this is a one piece body kit, it was originally a flat kit; maybe Mr. Dahm at Westerfield would make the roof available as a separate part.

Jim Brewer



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Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

James Brewer
 

Steve,

Westerfield offers its USRA SS N&W with the radial roof;

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=190

Although this is a one piece body kit, it was originally a flat kit; maybe Mr. Dahm at Westerfield would make the roof available as a separate part.

Jim Brewer


Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Steve: Which radial roof car are you modeling?  If it is the DT&I car(15 ribbed roof) then you will need the roof from an Atlas, C&O version 1932 ARA boxcar.  This is the Cambrea roof, I believe.  
If it is the 13 ribbed roof, the Hutchins roof (I think that is correct) then the Westerfield roof (4600)will work.  Or you could do the Clark Propst method and cut the roof off of a MDC 50 OB boxcar and then shorten it.
Good luck 

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 12:16 PM Steve Summers via groups.io <summers1218=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can anyone suggest a source of a HO scale 40’ Climax flexible (radial) roof?  If not available separately, any suggestions on relatively inexpensive models (Athearn, Roundhouse, Accurail, etc.) that has this roof?  Ideally want to use this on a Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar model.







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Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

“O hear us when we cry to Thee

For those in Peril on the sea”

Photo courtesy of Kevin Caoimhín Bunker on the Facebook Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society group.

Probably of interest to this group are the views of the undersides of the reefers (see link below).

 

He states:

“Some days it doesn't pay to get out of bed.  Example:  this day, in 1937, when the crew of a Red Stack Tug was ferrying a railroad car-float across San Francisco Bay from Point Richmond to San Francisco and Pier 43, the car-float loaded with Santa Fe Railway refrigerator cars bringing chilled foods into city wholesalers.  What the crew didn't know was that super gale was rapidly forming in the North Pacific and galloping inland.  Ships out at sea were getting hit hard by extremely high winds and high breaking waves.

In hardly any time at all, around mid-afternoon, the gale swept past the Golden Gate and rocked across the bay, catching the unsuspecting tug and its cargo cross-wise. With a giant heavy burst of energy, the car-float got caught in a sharp swell and with the powerful gusts of wind three of the "reefers" derailed, one nearly rolling over sideways, it stopped from going completely on its side by its nearest neighbor reefer, which also tried to flip over.  Then the winds subsided as they rushed further inland.  The tug crew inhaled and considered their options, which were basically this: go dead slow ahead and make port and, with luck, they'd make it without further damage.

On arrival, San Francisco port authorities met the tug crew, as did the railroad's freight claim agents and together they tried to figure out what to do next.  Right behind them came a San Francisco Examiner news photographer, anxious to get some sensational record shots as a scoop for that evening's street edition.  He got several great shots, but this was probably the best of the lot.

The sudden storm was a whopper and hit much of the state that afternoon and well into evening as it worked east and south.

U.C., Berkeley - Bancroft Library, San Francisco Examiner Collection via Calisphere.”

For other photos of this accident, go to this link:

https://calisphere.org/item/b5ff0c4259fa1eabcffbd3775384ab4a/

The click on “View source image on contributor's website.”

Each of the five photos and the description card can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Climax flexible (radial) roof

Steve Summers
 

Can anyone suggest a source of a HO scale 40’ Climax flexible (radial) roof? If not available separately, any suggestions on relatively inexpensive models (Athearn, Roundhouse, Accurail, etc.) that has this roof? Ideally want to use this on a Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar model.


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

John Riddell
 

Canadian Government Regulations (1927) stated " ... disinfection shall be done by the thorough cleansing of the car and its subsequent white-washing with lime and carbolic acid in the proportion of 1 pound of commercial carbolic acid to 5 gallons of lime-wash ..." 

John Riddell


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Paul Doggett
 

Steve

Hopefully i will see Eileen’s at a show this year a get some phosphor bronze.

Cheers Paul

On 27 May 2022, at 22:57, Nolan Hinshaw <nualain48@...> wrote:

On May 26, 2022, at 12:30, steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

I was unaware of that Charlie. There are any number of Brits discussing how to size continuous springs, usually under the term CSB (continuous springy beam)

http://www.clag.org.uk/beam-annex3.html

Sprung Hornblocks (aka axleboxes) have their proponents as well. The springs have to be carefully sized though, not too stiff. Paul, Eileen's and Alan Gibson in the UK may offer something suitable?
Whenever this subject rears its head above the noise level[0] I remember reading and photocopying one or more articles in Model Railroader [pre-1979] discussing fully equalizing a locomotive (in HO scale) rather than individually springing the driving axles, this in concert with balancing the locomotive fore-and-aft. This was reasonably near the time Bob Darwin produced his Art of Superdetailing series.

[0] intentional mixing of metaphors for the fun of it
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Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

Tony Thompson
 

Hey, PFE had the biggest fleet. What’s the problem?
Tony Thompson 


On May 27, 2022, at 5:47 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Jerry, from what I can see, one can model a believable PFE and SFRD fleet with plastic models and kits. But that's pretty much it. Resin offerings had/have much better variety, but as you said, building a believable reefer fleet isn't easy. In fact, depending on where you model, I would say it's impossible unless you scratchbuild or kitbash multiple models.

Take the Central's Water Level Route, which I would like to model. Let's use ART as an example. Based on consists for NY-4, NY-8, and other trains that carried large amounts of produce, there would frequently be between ~6 and ~14 ART reefers in a train. So let's split the difference and say 10 ART reefers would be well within in the realm of plausibility for my situation.

Based on fleet statistics, it looks like I would roughly need 6 wood reefers, 1 round-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, 2 square-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel cars, and one early steel reefer which was quite similar to the R-40-10.

So I would need to build 6 Sunshine wood reefer kits (some of which would need replacement metal roofs; let's say 3-4) and 2 Sunshine square-corner steel cars. The round-corner steel car would be covered by the Intermountain model, and so would the "R-40-10," although it would require reworking some rivets and replacing the door hinges.

And that's just ART, to say nothing of Swift, Armour, Cudahy, the FGEX consortium, Morrell, URTX, etc.

Don't even get me started on MDT. The short version of the MDT problem in HO is that there's no commercially-available M-4 in any form, the 6000 series (the most common MDT composite reefer series at 2000 members) hasn't been available from Sunshine for perhaps two decades, and we need Stan Rydarowicz's end castings very badly to kitbash R-40-23s into MDT steel cars. The result is that, despite the fact that I model the Central, I somehow have over 20 PFE reefers, but only 4 MDT reefers.

-Phil


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

Jerry, from what I can see, one can model a believable PFE and SFRD fleet with plastic models and kits. But that's pretty much it. Resin offerings had/have much better variety, but as you said, building a believable reefer fleet isn't easy. In fact, depending on where you model, I would say it's impossible unless you scratchbuild or kitbash multiple models.

Take the New York Central's Water Level Route, which I would like to model. Let's use ART as an example. Based on consists for NY-4, NY-8, and other trains that carried large amounts of produce, there would frequently be between ~6 and ~14 ART reefers in a train. So let's split the difference and say 10 ART reefers would be well within in the realm of plausibility for my situation.

Based on fleet statistics, it looks like I would roughly need 6 wood reefers, 2 round-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, 1 square-corner DN end horizontal-seam steel car, and one early steel reefer which was quite similar to the R-40-10.

So I would need to build 6 Sunshine wood reefer kits (some of which would need replacement metal roofs; let's say 3-4) and 2 Sunshine round-corner steel cars. The square-corner steel car would be covered by the Intermountain model, and so would the "R-40-10," although it would require reworking some rivets and replacing the door hinges.

And that's just ART, to say nothing of Swift, Armour, Cudahy, the FGEX consortium, Morrell, URTX, etc.

Don't even get me started on MDT. The short version of the MDT problem in HO is that there's no commercially-available M-4 in any form, the 6000 series (the most common MDT composite reefer series at 2000 members) hasn't been available from Sunshine for perhaps two decades, and we need Stan Rydarowicz's end castings very badly to kitbash R-40-23s into MDT steel cars. The result is that, despite the fact that I model the Central, I somehow have over 20 PFE reefers, but only 4 MDT reefers.

-Phil


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

lrkdbn
 

I would gladly buy a good resin kit. I would NOT buy more Chinese RTR.
Larry King


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 26, 2022, at 12:30, steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

I was unaware of that Charlie. There are any number of Brits discussing how to size continuous springs, usually under the term CSB (continuous springy beam)

http://www.clag.org.uk/beam-annex3.html

Sprung Hornblocks (aka axleboxes) have their proponents as well. The springs have to be carefully sized though, not too stiff. Paul, Eileen's and Alan Gibson in the UK may offer something suitable?
Whenever this subject rears its head above the noise level[0] I remember reading and photocopying one or more articles in Model Railroader [pre-1979] discussing fully equalizing a locomotive (in HO scale) rather than individually springing the driving axles, this in concert with balancing the locomotive fore-and-aft. This was reasonably near the time Bob Darwin produced his Art of Superdetailing series.

[0] intentional mixing of metaphors for the fun of it
--
Willie was a chemist,
Now Willie is no more.
What Willie thought was H2O
Was H2SO4


Re: Future Release of HO ART Wood Reefer?

Jerry Michels
 

I think a highly detailed RTR ART wooden reefer in plastic would be  a better seller these days than resin.  I've built a number of resin kits, and love them. But it is kind of hard to get a reefer 'fleet.'  There has never been an accurate plastic RTR ART reefer offered. Jerry Michels


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 11, No 2, May, 2022

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Re: WRX 9000

lrkdbn
 

I recall ca.1979 seeing two of these WRX cars at the then Farmer Jack grocery warehouse at C&O/PM Oak Yard in Detroit,along with an original USRA DS box in company service. I thought at the time, not bad for a then 60
year old underframe design to see three of them at once.
Larry King


Mini-kit for sale

Clark Propst
 

I have a National Scale Car B&O M55B mini-kit I'm not going to build. Price was $30 +shipping. I would like that money back plus shipping to it's new home. So, I'm asking $45 for the kit.
Thanks!
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Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

william darnaby
 

Here is a photo of watermelons being loaded in a different kind of stock car on the real Indiana Railroad.

Bill Darnaby



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Re: NP Box Cars 17823 and 17925

Clark Propst
 

Nice job of showing your construction steps. Wish more guys would follow suit. Nice builds Gary should be happy  ;  ))
Clark Propst


Re: WRX 9000

Richard Townsend
 

Bill Parks, that’s very helpful. I had a hard time imagining loading dried blood through roof hatches since it normally would be bagged. Not to mention unloading a car full of loose powder.


On May 27, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Richard Townsend <richtownsend@...> wrote:

So the one I was referring to was a rebuilt, ex-DT&I USRA double sheathed boxcar. That’s helpful.


On May 27, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Andy

Thanks I was somewhat suspicious of the description of the cars as reefer rebuilds, since they look
so much like the DT&I cars! :-)


On 5/27/2022 8:45 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:
Tim,

Give this page a look (check the line "ORER Notes" under each listing for special equipment and features):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/orerdetail.htm#WRX9000RS 

WRX put cars in dried blood service in later years (rebuilt ex-DT&I 11500-11799 steel plug-door RB's), but I am not aware of any 1929-built WRX wood-sided cars that had hatches.

Andy L.
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