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Photo: Great Northern Tank Car 60234/Alhambra Water

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Great Northern Tank Car 60234/Alhambra Water

This is a typical “rabbit hole” story. Yesterday I saw a photo of an HO scale layout with an interesting trackside building with a sign that read “Alhambra Natural Mineral Water”. A Google search revealed a photo of the prototype building that once stood in Martinez, CA. And a search of the company’s website revealed Great Northern Tank Car 60234, labeled for the company but with a Great Falls, Montana, location. The company still exists today, serving California and Nevada.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Running Boarrds

John Sykes III
 
Edited

This has probably been covered here at one time or another, but . . .

I was wondering whether metal running boards (a/k/a roofwalks) on freight cars (mainly boxcars) should be painted or left in plain galvanized steel.  I think I finally came up with a solution to this question that works for my model railroad.  It seems that, when new, running boards were installed after the car was painted, so would be unpainted galvanized steel.  This would figure since new galvanized steel does not take paint well unless specially treated and/or a specialized paint is used.  After weathering, galvanized steel holds paint better (but not perfectly).

So, in most cases, a new car will have unpainted galvanized steel running boards (unless the RR specified that they wanted them painted).  Then, when the car was repainted, the railroad would not remove or mask the running boards so they would end up painted the same color as the car’s roof.  Now, as the cars weathered, the paint would not adhere well to the running boards, so would wear off in random splotches, especially on the top.  If the running board was damaged, it would be replaced by a new unpainted galvanized running board and the cycle would start all over again.

Speaking of roofs and running boards, some diagonal panel and all X-panel roofs were galvanized and not painted.  Eventually, these galvanized roofs would rust, making for some interesting patterns on them.  On the other hand, all wood running boards were painted when new, but the paint would wear off the tops and replacement boards were generally not painted, so you can have some interesting combinations on the roofs of boxcars equipped with wood running boards as well.

-- John


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

np328
 

Robert GP asked in post 192885   " any insight on how long it lasted and what other produce was shipped this way? " 
      I've attached an AAR Summary, several pages from several months actually, that make me ask if photos like these are not recordings of well....anomalies?  
And while interesting to look at, modeling such might require an explanation. 
      One of the above posters (and a person whose postings and presentations I have always held in high regard) once offered as a fifth rule (?) or corollary that if it needs a constant explanation, perhaps one should think again about modeling it. 

      Of the attached: June 20, 1956 - At the star we see that in 1956 Special Order 95 was still being issued regarding ventilated cars. (And had been for many, many, years.) The three roads were the CW&C; I believe the Seaboard, and perhaps the ACL. I recall the first because I had to pull out my 1928 atlas and look it up. The later two I'm guessing at because when I showed up at CCB, decades ago, and displayed a photocopy to Bill Welch, his eyes got big, really big, and he asked if he could have it for his then future book and I have never done the digging needed to get another copy of the original. ( All of these were of course, some of Bill's Ya all roads.) The copy of Special Order 95 I had was dated to the mid-1940s. 

The April 19,1957 relates that fan equipped reefers are what the shippers desire in CA for cantaloupes. (And possibly other melons.) 

August 21, 1956 page 2 of the report gives us numbers of fan cars for that time frame. And some ratios overall. 

And lastly, Jan. 20, 1956 has marks by comments on meat reefers. I had put my input on "can a regular reefer haul meat in addition to produce?" I recalled seeing this at the time however could not find the source material. Until again I found it now. I would imagine as time went on and more beef got processed and frozen and then shipped, things changed. However at the time in 1956, this looks to be an emergency fallback for two weeks as at this time of year, reefers are in the shortest supply. (Which is to say, with research, the proper research, and the proper timing, the proper situation, and proper location, one could model what would otherwise be anomalies.)  

I should say that the dates are at the top of each image and if there is a secret to getting them to upload in order, I have not found it. If these upload as listed above, it was luck.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       James Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Nelson Moyer
 

I make paint chips for every paint color I buy, and the closest colors to Eric’s hoppers in the Tru Color line are TCP-076 Rust and TCP-168 Iron Oxide. There is very little difference between these two colors, but after rust IS iron oxide. The rust is slightly lighter than the iron oxide, but either could be used without mixing or as the base for a mix to shift the shade.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 5:30 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

Charlie,

 

I don’t use Tru-Color but I can show what Pennsy Freight Car Color I use for my 1926 focus. I lean towards an orange shade like the GLa hoppers in this image. 

 

I spray Vallejo Amaranth red from their Panzer Aces line. 

 

I’ve rarely seen a new, or clean, Pennsy freight car in early photos. My Pennsy models all receive a liberal application in the weathering factory. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 29, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

I saw that color in their line  but I’m looking for a mix for the earlier color used before 1945. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Eric Hansmann
 

Charlie,

I don’t use Tru-Color but I can show what Pennsy Freight Car Color I use for my 1926 focus. I lean towards an orange shade like the GLa hoppers in this image. 

I spray Vallejo Amaranth red from their Panzer Aces line. 

I’ve rarely seen a new, or clean, Pennsy freight car in early photos. My Pennsy models all receive a liberal application in the weathering factory. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 29, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

I saw that color in their line  but I’m looking for a mix for the earlier color used before 1945. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I saw that color in their line  but I’m looking for a mix for the earlier color used before 1945. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Nelson Moyer
 

Tru Color offers:

 

TCP-209-2

PRR 1945-60 Freight Car Brown

 

All of the PRR cars I’ve painted fall within those dates, so I used it for all of them. Disclaimer – I’m not a Pennsy modeler.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 2:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

I’m wrapping up building the Westerfield X23 and want to paint it in as the last major shopping was in the 1940’s.  I’ve found this excellent resource on PRR colors http://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/blogs/latest-articles-blog/121-paints-to-match-prr-paints
but Tru-Color isn’t listed (thinking they weren’t around when the list was compiled).  

Anyone using Tru-Color that’s mixed up a PRR 1940’s color before I start experimenting?

thanks
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m wrapping up building the Westerfield X23 and want to paint it in as the last major shopping was in the 1940’s.  I’ve found this excellent resource on PRR colors http://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/blogs/latest-articles-blog/121-paints-to-match-prr-paints
but Tru-Color isn’t listed (thinking they weren’t around when the list was compiled).  

Anyone using Tru-Color that’s mixed up a PRR 1940’s color before I start experimenting?

thanks
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Paul Doggett
 

Mike 

List of ATSF shops and codes 
Paul Doggett 
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On 29 May 2022, at 15:46, Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Mike 

 Not on the ATSF DO was Dover Ohio on the B&O, EN was Ensel MI on the C&O 

Hopefully that helps you 

Paul Doggett.     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 May 2022, at 15:34, Michael Palmieri <mikepalmieri@...> wrote:



I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

charles slater
 

Mike double door steel car 7709 is one of the cars re-built into the Fe-13 class of cars, numbered 7601-7849 in 1937 by Santa Fe. These cars were originally Fe-K and Fe-M class cars-built AC&F in 1909 and 1912. 
Santa Fe shop code DO is Dodge City, Kansas and none of the books I have show a shop code of EN, it was probably re-weighted off line.
Charlie Slater MSFM

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Palmieri <mikepalmieri@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 7:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help
 

I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Bob Chaparro
 

Here is a large list.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: Team Tracks With A Real Team (1927)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Team Tracks With A Real Team (1927)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1300296/m1/1/?q=frisco

Description:

"In 1927 trucks, Model T's and horse-drawn wagons bustled around the old Frisco marshaling yards."

Good assortment of boxcars, too.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Paul Doggett
 

Mike 

 Not on the ATSF DO was Dover Ohio on the B&O, EN was Ensel MI on the C&O 

Hopefully that helps you 

Paul Doggett.     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 May 2022, at 15:34, Michael Palmieri <mikepalmieri@...> wrote:



I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Michael Palmieri
 

I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 28, 2022, at 13:38, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Then the State Belt, not SFBelt.
See Bill Kaufman's book on the subject, from Signature Press. My copy is duly autographed.
--
Willie saw some dynamite
Couldn't understand it quite
Curiosity never pays;
It rained Willie seven days.


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

Lee
 

The info on this one shows pumpkins being loaded in October, so this practice had a wider range of seasonal use.


SOLD: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks for the interest and it sold rather quickly.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 28, 2022, 02:29:49 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:




Subject: FS: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Hello,
I have a mint new LL P2K kit for a Mathers C&EI "Time Saver" kit, LL #30868, C&EI #414.

Offered for $17 plus buyer to pay $5 shipping to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


FS: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Andy Carlson
 



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Hello,
I have a mint new LL P2K kit for a Mathers C&EI "Time Saver" kit, LL #30868, C&EI #414.

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-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Then the State Belt, not SFBelt.
Tony Thompson 


On May 28, 2022, at 12:35 PM, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

Judging by the position of Alcatraz and Angel Island, it looks like the car float is tied up at Pier 45, immediately west of Pier 43, a car ferry slip.  If docked at the slip, it would be connect to the SF Belt Railway.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

spsalso
 

Judging by the position of Alcatraz and Angel Island, it looks like the car float is tied up at Pier 45, immediately west of Pier 43, a car ferry slip.  If docked at the slip, it would be connect to the SF Belt Railway.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

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