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Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Bob Chaparro
 

Here is a large list.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: Team Tracks With A Real Team (1927)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Team Tracks With A Real Team (1927)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1300296/m1/1/?q=frisco

Description:

"In 1927 trucks, Model T's and horse-drawn wagons bustled around the old Frisco marshaling yards."

Good assortment of boxcars, too.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Paul Doggett
 

Mike 

 Not on the ATSF DO was Dover Ohio on the B&O, EN was Ensel MI on the C&O 

Hopefully that helps you 

Paul Doggett.     England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 May 2022, at 15:34, Michael Palmieri <mikepalmieri@...> wrote:



I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


ATSF Boxcar 7709 Help

Michael Palmieri
 

I have a photo taken in 1961 of ATSF 7709, a 50-foot double-door steel boxcar.  Its CAPY and LD LMT are both 79000 and its LT WT is 57000, and it was reweighed at DO in 4-58, but I can’t locate any more information on this series of cars.  Can any please help? 

On the ATSF, where were DO and EN?

 


Mike Palmieri – Little Elm, Texas


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 28, 2022, at 13:38, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Then the State Belt, not SFBelt.
See Bill Kaufman's book on the subject, from Signature Press. My copy is duly autographed.
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Couldn't understand it quite
Curiosity never pays;
It rained Willie seven days.


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

Lee
 

The info on this one shows pumpkins being loaded in October, so this practice had a wider range of seasonal use.


SOLD: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks for the interest and it sold rather quickly.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 28, 2022, 02:29:49 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:




Subject: FS: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Hello,
I have a mint new LL P2K kit for a Mathers C&EI "Time Saver" kit, LL #30868, C&EI #414.

Offered for $17 plus buyer to pay $5 shipping to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


FS: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Andy Carlson
 



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Subject: FS: LifeLike P2K "Time-Saver" Mather box car kit C&EI

Hello,
I have a mint new LL P2K kit for a Mathers C&EI "Time Saver" kit, LL #30868, C&EI #414.

Offered for $17 plus buyer to pay $5 shipping to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Then the State Belt, not SFBelt.
Tony Thompson 


On May 28, 2022, at 12:35 PM, spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

Judging by the position of Alcatraz and Angel Island, it looks like the car float is tied up at Pier 45, immediately west of Pier 43, a car ferry slip.  If docked at the slip, it would be connect to the SF Belt Railway.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

spsalso
 

Judging by the position of Alcatraz and Angel Island, it looks like the car float is tied up at Pier 45, immediately west of Pier 43, a car ferry slip.  If docked at the slip, it would be connect to the SF Belt Railway.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

Steve Summers
 

Thanks all who replied.  The diagram for the N&W class BK states Chicago Cleveland flexible steel roof (with 13 panels).  I am aware that Westerfield has a one piece body model with this roof; however, my friend asked about using a Tichy model as a starting piece.  I’m leaning towards looking for that Roundhouse 50’ model at a train show and cutting the roof off.


On May 28, 2022, at 1:30 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Westerfield offers two radial roofs separately: the 4600 which is a 13 ribbed roof and the 1900 which is a plain style radial roof.
Fenton

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 1:16 PM James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:
Steve,

Westerfield offers its USRA SS N&W with the radial roof;

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=190

Although this is a one piece body kit, it was originally a flat kit; maybe Mr. Dahm at Westerfield would make the roof available as a separate part.

Jim Brewer



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Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Tom Madden
 

The car number of the reefer with the yellow end appears to be 37125. That would make it an almost brand-new Santa Fe Rr-22, a 50' car, one of 200 delivered in the summer of 1937 according to the SFMO/SFRH&MS refrigerator car book. 

Tom Madden


Re: Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Ken Adams
 

A very interesting series of photos.  Much later in the 1980's I worked for Crowley Maritime who still owned Red Stack Tugboats before selling it to Fosse. 
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Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Westerfield offers two radial roofs separately: the 4600 which is a 13 ribbed roof and the 1900 which is a plain style radial roof.
Fenton

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 1:16 PM James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:
Steve,

Westerfield offers its USRA SS N&W with the radial roof;

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=190

Although this is a one piece body kit, it was originally a flat kit; maybe Mr. Dahm at Westerfield would make the roof available as a separate part.

Jim Brewer



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

James Brewer
 

Steve,

Westerfield offers its USRA SS N&W with the radial roof;

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=190

Although this is a one piece body kit, it was originally a flat kit; maybe Mr. Dahm at Westerfield would make the roof available as a separate part.

Jim Brewer


Re: Climax flexible (radial) roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Steve: Which radial roof car are you modeling?  If it is the DT&I car(15 ribbed roof) then you will need the roof from an Atlas, C&O version 1932 ARA boxcar.  This is the Cambrea roof, I believe.  
If it is the 13 ribbed roof, the Hutchins roof (I think that is correct) then the Westerfield roof (4600)will work.  Or you could do the Clark Propst method and cut the roof off of a MDC 50 OB boxcar and then shorten it.
Good luck 

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 12:16 PM Steve Summers via groups.io <summers1218=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can anyone suggest a source of a HO scale 40’ Climax flexible (radial) roof?  If not available separately, any suggestions on relatively inexpensive models (Athearn, Roundhouse, Accurail, etc.) that has this roof?  Ideally want to use this on a Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar model.







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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Car Float Accident With Santa Fe Reefers

“O hear us when we cry to Thee

For those in Peril on the sea”

Photo courtesy of Kevin Caoimhín Bunker on the Facebook Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society group.

Probably of interest to this group are the views of the undersides of the reefers (see link below).

 

He states:

“Some days it doesn't pay to get out of bed.  Example:  this day, in 1937, when the crew of a Red Stack Tug was ferrying a railroad car-float across San Francisco Bay from Point Richmond to San Francisco and Pier 43, the car-float loaded with Santa Fe Railway refrigerator cars bringing chilled foods into city wholesalers.  What the crew didn't know was that super gale was rapidly forming in the North Pacific and galloping inland.  Ships out at sea were getting hit hard by extremely high winds and high breaking waves.

In hardly any time at all, around mid-afternoon, the gale swept past the Golden Gate and rocked across the bay, catching the unsuspecting tug and its cargo cross-wise. With a giant heavy burst of energy, the car-float got caught in a sharp swell and with the powerful gusts of wind three of the "reefers" derailed, one nearly rolling over sideways, it stopped from going completely on its side by its nearest neighbor reefer, which also tried to flip over.  Then the winds subsided as they rushed further inland.  The tug crew inhaled and considered their options, which were basically this: go dead slow ahead and make port and, with luck, they'd make it without further damage.

On arrival, San Francisco port authorities met the tug crew, as did the railroad's freight claim agents and together they tried to figure out what to do next.  Right behind them came a San Francisco Examiner news photographer, anxious to get some sensational record shots as a scoop for that evening's street edition.  He got several great shots, but this was probably the best of the lot.

The sudden storm was a whopper and hit much of the state that afternoon and well into evening as it worked east and south.

U.C., Berkeley - Bancroft Library, San Francisco Examiner Collection via Calisphere.”

For other photos of this accident, go to this link:

https://calisphere.org/item/b5ff0c4259fa1eabcffbd3775384ab4a/

The click on “View source image on contributor's website.”

Each of the five photos and the description card can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Climax flexible (radial) roof

Steve Summers
 

Can anyone suggest a source of a HO scale 40’ Climax flexible (radial) roof? If not available separately, any suggestions on relatively inexpensive models (Athearn, Roundhouse, Accurail, etc.) that has this roof? Ideally want to use this on a Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar model.


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

John Riddell
 

Canadian Government Regulations (1927) stated " ... disinfection shall be done by the thorough cleansing of the car and its subsequent white-washing with lime and carbolic acid in the proportion of 1 pound of commercial carbolic acid to 5 gallons of lime-wash ..." 

John Riddell


Re: Brass Steam Locomotives that Pull Freight Cars.

Paul Doggett
 

Steve

Hopefully i will see Eileen’s at a show this year a get some phosphor bronze.

Cheers Paul

On 27 May 2022, at 22:57, Nolan Hinshaw <nualain48@...> wrote:

On May 26, 2022, at 12:30, steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

I was unaware of that Charlie. There are any number of Brits discussing how to size continuous springs, usually under the term CSB (continuous springy beam)

http://www.clag.org.uk/beam-annex3.html

Sprung Hornblocks (aka axleboxes) have their proponents as well. The springs have to be carefully sized though, not too stiff. Paul, Eileen's and Alan Gibson in the UK may offer something suitable?
Whenever this subject rears its head above the noise level[0] I remember reading and photocopying one or more articles in Model Railroader [pre-1979] discussing fully equalizing a locomotive (in HO scale) rather than individually springing the driving axles, this in concert with balancing the locomotive fore-and-aft. This was reasonably near the time Bob Darwin produced his Art of Superdetailing series.

[0] intentional mixing of metaphors for the fun of it
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