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Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

James Brewer
 

N&W built door and a half boxcars, closely following the USRA Single Sheathed design, and classified them BL; later, some of the cars were converted to single door boxcars and classified BLa; eventually, some of the BL and BLa cars were converted to stock cars, Class SK.  These cars had a Climax radial roof.

Here is what the ends looked like:



More drawings and photos car be found here:


Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 2:19 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

view of N&W 33185

On 5/31/2022 1:20 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Pressed Steel underframe and part of the Harriman family.

Ted Schnepf


On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 02:53:57 PM CDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund asked:
"The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be..."

It is.  Click on the "Zoom" tab above the photo to enlarge.


Ben Hom


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

 

PRR painted it FCC.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t know the answer to your specific question, Charlie. I don’t recall reading anything about black underframes on Pennsy equipment of the pre-WW2 years.

 

I painted my X23 underframe the same color as the rest of the car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Douglas Harding
 

The photo description says 2' bolts. Being this is a lumber train in Oregon, I suspect shingle bolts, for making wood shingles. Most likely cedar.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:36 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Courtesy of Claus Schlund:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:qv33rx08r

Description:

“Loading two-foot bolts for railroad boiler at Comstock.”

Related logging terms:

Bole: The main stem of a tree. Bolt: A short portion of the stem, usually measuring 4 feet.

Taken in Oregon.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Charlie Duckworth
 

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be..."

It is.  Click on the "Zoom" tab above the photo to enlarge.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,


The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be...


Claus Schlund


On 31-May-22 13:07, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1589584/m1/1/?q=railroad

Photo editing software should improve the lighting of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Great Northern Tank Car 60234/Alhambra Water

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,

Bob wrote: "The Helen History link shows a full photo of the car"

That car image can be gotten to directly via the link below...

http://www.helenahistory.org/alhambra_railcar.jpg

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund





On 30-May-22 22:05, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Ken Martin commented:

“I did a little searching and on Helena History

http://www.helenahistory.org/south_of_helena.htm

I found the photo below. The caption with it says:

"Mineral water from the springs at Alhambra was shipped in tank cars to Great Falls to be bottled and sold. 

The water, however, was eventually determined to be radioactive(radim-228), and unfit to drink.”

The tank car says "Mineral water” This would make it separate from the California company which advertises "pure spring water”.

Still a nice lettered car.”

The Helen History link shows a full photo of the car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Tim O'Connor
 


view of N&W 33185

On 5/31/2022 1:20 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

nyc3001 .
 

Andy, the WP stock car would be a stand-in at best based on a comparison of the diagonal braces.

-Phil Lee


Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Andy Carlson
 

This car appears to have been repurposed from a door and 1/2 box car going by the diagonals on each side of the door. This car looks a lot like the WP 40' stock cars, also rebuilds from a boxcars. If the ends are similar, this could be a fun alternate for
the WP car. New door should not be too difficult. The roofs seem to be the same. Big question is the ends...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


 my WPInline image
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Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Courtesy of Claus Schlund:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:qv33rx08r

Description:

“Loading two-foot bolts for railroad boiler at Comstock.”

Related logging terms:

Bole: The main stem of a tree. Bolt: A short portion of the stem, usually measuring 4 feet.

Taken in Oregon.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A Question

Allan Smith
 

It looks more like a patch in the roof.   Page 62

Al Smith

Sonora CA

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:23:28 AM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Todd:

 

The plate is on the top of the roof curve and a trust plate would not need three large bolts in the center of it; he four at the corners would hold it.  Trust plates need to be visible to provide legal notice that the car is owned by a third party, not the railroad and that the trust is recorded at the ICC.  Not likely a trust plate and if it was, the plates would be on all of the cars funded by the lessor. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A Question

 

Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan


Re: PRR X31A Question

gary laakso
 

Todd:

 

The plate is on the top of the roof curve and a trust plate would not need three large bolts in the center of it; he four at the corners would hold it.  Trust plates need to be visible to provide legal notice that the car is owned by a third party, not the railroad and that the trust is recorded at the ICC.  Not likely a trust plate and if it was, the plates would be on all of the cars funded by the lessor. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A Question

 

Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photo: Rock Island Hide Loading Boxcar 141137 (1956)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Rock Island Hide Loading Boxcar 141137 (1956)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1587593/m1/1/?q=Rock%20Island

Description:

“Photograph of Rock Island Railroad cars on the Rock Island Railroad tracks, East Yard, Bricktown, Oklahoma City, OK.”

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photo: Choctaw, Oklahoma & Gulf Boxcar (Circa 1900)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Choctaw, Oklahoma & Gulf Boxcar (Circa 1900)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1473900/m1/1/?q=elevator

Zoom in on the photo.

From Wikipedia:

“The Choctaw, Oklahoma and Gulf Railroad (CO&G), known informally as the "Choctaw Route," was an American railroad in the states of Arkansas and Oklahoma. The company, originally known as the Choctaw Coal and Railway Company, completed its main line between West Memphis, Arkansas and western Oklahoma by 1900. In 1901 the CO&G chartered a subsidiary company, the Choctaw, Oklahoma and Texas Railroad, to continue construction west into the Texas panhandle, and by 1902 the railroad had extended as far west as Amarillo.

The CO&G came under the control of the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad (the "Rock Island") in 1902, and was formally merged into the Rock Island on January 1, 1948. The Memphis-Amarillo route remained an important main line for the Rock Island, hosting local and transcontinental freight traffic as well as passenger trains such as the Choctaw Rocket from 1940-1964.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1589584/m1/1/?q=railroad

Photo editing software should improve the lighting of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A Question

Philip Dove
 

If it was a Trust plate why would it have three large bolts in the middle? They may of course not be bolts but some cast relief detail, possibly the logo of a trust company.

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