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Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Brian Carlson
 

Remember to upgrade to AB brakes too if doing the green and yellow cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 31, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:



Friend recently gave me two Branchline reefers one for the Northwestern with the gray sides.  The car unfortunately lettering is as built in 1927 and I’m modeling the early 1950’s.  I found an Odd Ball set for the Northwestern green and yellow scheme and have the sides stripped down to the bare plastic.  This reefer is totally out of my expertise and need some SME help.  

the decal sheet has the following car numbers 6201, 6311 and 6700 for NWX. Are these good for the wood reefers?

What’s recommended for the green and yellow colors and finally what color was the roof, ends and underframe?

lots of questions but I couldn’t find anything with a google search or a search on .io. 

thanks. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Oops, forgot to add suggestion for the paint colors.  It sure looks, to my eye, that the colors are the same yellow and green as used on CNW's diesels and passenger cars in the 1950s. 

Lloyd Keyser would probably know.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Charlie,

My Jan 1952 ORER has NWX 70000-70650 503 cars, 40-0 over strikers, 4' x6' doors, 1944 cuft, 8000 capy.

No other dimensional data listed, but  that was typical in the Private Car Owners section of the ORER.

Westerfield has a model of this car - see
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=128_418

Todd Sullivan


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Joseph
 

That scheme is circa 1954, iirc
Joe Binish 
South of Mankato on Hwy 60

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 4:40 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
Here’s the one image I’ve found 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here’s the one image I’ve found 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Friend recently gave me two Branchline reefers one for the Northwestern with the gray sides.  The car unfortunately lettering is as built in 1927 and I’m modeling the early 1950’s.  I found an Odd Ball set for the Northwestern green and yellow scheme and have the sides stripped down to the bare plastic.  This reefer is totally out of my expertise and need some SME help.  

the decal sheet has the following car numbers 6201, 6311 and 6700 for NWX. Are these good for the wood reefers?

What’s recommended for the green and yellow colors and finally what color was the roof, ends and underframe?

lots of questions but I couldn’t find anything with a google search or a search on .io. 

thanks. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

James Brewer
 

N&W built door and a half boxcars, closely following the USRA Single Sheathed design, and classified them BL; later, some of the cars were converted to single door boxcars and classified BLa; eventually, some of the BL and BLa cars were converted to stock cars, Class SK.  These cars had a Climax radial roof.

Here is what the ends looked like:



More drawings and photos car be found here:


Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 2:19 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

view of N&W 33185

On 5/31/2022 1:20 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Pressed Steel underframe and part of the Harriman family.

Ted Schnepf


On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 02:53:57 PM CDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund asked:
"The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be..."

It is.  Click on the "Zoom" tab above the photo to enlarge.


Ben Hom


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

 

PRR painted it FCC.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:03 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t know the answer to your specific question, Charlie. I don’t recall reading anything about black underframes on Pennsy equipment of the pre-WW2 years.

 

I painted my X23 underframe the same color as the rest of the car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

 

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Douglas Harding
 

The photo description says 2' bolts. Being this is a lumber train in Oregon, I suspect shingle bolts, for making wood shingles. Most likely cedar.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:36 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Courtesy of Claus Schlund:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:qv33rx08r

Description:

“Loading two-foot bolts for railroad boiler at Comstock.”

Related logging terms:

Bole: The main stem of a tree. Bolt: A short portion of the stem, usually measuring 4 feet.

Taken in Oregon.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Charlie Duckworth
 

The X23 is still on the workbench; I’m working on the PE ladders and have a question about the underframe color.  Did the PRR use black car cement on the underframe or was it painted the same as the carbody?  Thanks 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be..."

It is.  Click on the "Zoom" tab above the photo to enlarge.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,


The double-sheathed boxcar closest to the camera - is it Illinois Central? I suspect it might be...


Claus Schlund


On 31-May-22 13:07, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Boxcars Near Downtown Oklahoma City (Undated)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1589584/m1/1/?q=railroad

Photo editing software should improve the lighting of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Great Northern Tank Car 60234/Alhambra Water

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,

Bob wrote: "The Helen History link shows a full photo of the car"

That car image can be gotten to directly via the link below...

http://www.helenahistory.org/alhambra_railcar.jpg

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund





On 30-May-22 22:05, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Ken Martin commented:

“I did a little searching and on Helena History

http://www.helenahistory.org/south_of_helena.htm

I found the photo below. The caption with it says:

"Mineral water from the springs at Alhambra was shipped in tank cars to Great Falls to be bottled and sold. 

The water, however, was eventually determined to be radioactive(radim-228), and unfit to drink.”

The tank car says "Mineral water” This would make it separate from the California company which advertises "pure spring water”.

Still a nice lettered car.”

The Helen History link shows a full photo of the car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Tim O'Connor
 


view of N&W 33185

On 5/31/2022 1:20 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

nyc3001 .
 

Andy, the WP stock car would be a stand-in at best based on a comparison of the diagonal braces.

-Phil Lee


Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000 (Undated)

Andy Carlson
 

This car appears to have been repurposed from a door and 1/2 box car going by the diagonals on each side of the door. This car looks a lot like the WP 40' stock cars, also rebuilds from a boxcars. If the ends are similar, this could be a fun alternate for
the WP car. New door should not be too difficult. The roofs seem to be the same. Big question is the ends...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


 my WPInline image
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Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Three Old SP Boxcars (Undated)

Courtesy of Claus Schlund:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:qv33rx08r

Description:

“Loading two-foot bolts for railroad boiler at Comstock.”

Related logging terms:

Bole: The main stem of a tree. Bolt: A short portion of the stem, usually measuring 4 feet.

Taken in Oregon.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A Question

Allan Smith
 

It looks more like a patch in the roof.   Page 62

Al Smith

Sonora CA

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:23:28 AM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Todd:

 

The plate is on the top of the roof curve and a trust plate would not need three large bolts in the center of it; he four at the corners would hold it.  Trust plates need to be visible to provide legal notice that the car is owned by a third party, not the railroad and that the trust is recorded at the ICC.  Not likely a trust plate and if it was, the plates would be on all of the cars funded by the lessor. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A Question

 

Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan

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