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Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

ottokroutil
 

This is such a cool paint scheme, but probably too new for my '51 cutoff date. I do have a couple of their reefers in grey. Out of curiosity, when did the Northwestern start using the green and yellow scheme on their reefers and other house cars? 
Advice appreciated.


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks for everyone’s input I just need to make a run up to House of Trains and buy some paint.  I probably won’t get to this project for a few weeks I’ve got to finish the X23 (working on the underframe today) and the three RI stock cars need to have their underframes finished. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


headlight operation on Spectrum non-DCC 4-6-0

Richard McQuade
 

I have a Spectrum 4-6-0 (non-DCC) and while I can get it to run, I don't know how to switch on the headlight. What do I need to do to turn on/off the headlight?


Re: Photo: Rock Island Hide Loading Boxcar 141137 (1956)

Bruce Hendrick
 

Note the stencil HIDE LOADING ONLY. I have read in several places that the stench from the hides was so bad that any car so used was ruined for any other type of service. Therefore, older cars were usually used, which seems to be the case in this 1956 view.

Thanks for sharing.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

 

Charlie, the photos I have of NWX 6000 series are both in gray.

 

The color photos I have appear to show green hardware (hinges, ladders, etc., including underframe) as in this photo. Yes, wrong number series, but this is one of the clearest photos I have to show what was painted which color.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Lloyd 
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware?  I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black?   Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 


Re: Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

Nelson Moyer
 

I searched but couldn’t find any, so no, it’s probably no longer available. I bought an 8 oz. car around 1978 to stain ties for a Timesaver. The can says it was specially made for Campbell and there is a warning that it contains petroleum distillate, so since Campbell was in CA, it’s  probable that it was discontinued due to CA idiocy. It’s probably illegal to ship by air or I’d send you some. One can lasts more than a lifetime because of the high dilution factor.

 

I’ve seen MR articles recommending various MinWax stains for ties, so you might look at those for an organic solvent based wood stain. Think Ebony Black was one of the recommended stains.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

 

Thanks Nelson And Steve:

 

Is there still a Campbell's tie stain?

 

Bill Pardie

 


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Brian, appreciate that.
Fenton

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:32 AM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Looking thru my NWX pictures, some DID have brake steps, like this example. All of the cars with steel ends also had them (again, my photos).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 6:40 AM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

 

Charlie, one thing I noticed on these cars from looking at photos.  There was no brake step on the B end of the car, at least in the photos I've seen.  I believe the Brake wheel is a bit higher than on those cars that have a brake step so the brakeman can get leverage while turning the wheel.  This is my assumption for what it's worth.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Lloyd 
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware?  I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black?   Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

 

Looking thru my NWX pictures, some DID have brake steps, like this example. All of the cars with steel ends also had them (again, my photos).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 6:40 AM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

 

Charlie, one thing I noticed on these cars from looking at photos.  There was no brake step on the B end of the car, at least in the photos I've seen.  I believe the Brake wheel is a bit higher than on those cars that have a brake step so the brakeman can get leverage while turning the wheel.  This is my assumption for what it's worth.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Lloyd 
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware?  I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black?   Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

Charlie, one thing I noticed on these cars from looking at photos.  There was no brake step on the B end of the car, at least in the photos I've seen.  I believe the Brake wheel is a bit higher than on those cars that have a brake step so the brakeman can get leverage while turning the wheel.  This is my assumption for what it's worth.
Fenton

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:03 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
Lloyd 
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware?  I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black?   Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Lloyd 
thanks for the clarifications; what color was the ladders and door hardware?  I ‘assume’ green and the underframe? Black?   Also the Odd Ball decal set has numbers in the 6000 range is this accurate for the wood cars?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Team Tracks With A Real Team (1927)

Chuck Soule
 

That was my tongue-in-cheek choice - shunter in the marshalling yard...

And you're right - the lack thereof gives us a chance to admire the freight cars longer...

Chuck Soule


Re: Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Nelson And Steve:

Is there still a Campbell's tie stain?

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Date: 5/31/22 4:37 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

I used 70% isopropyl alcohol. The ratio of ink to alcohol depends upon how dark you want the weathering. Mix 1 part ink to 9 parts alcohol, and dilute from there accordingly.

 

For flat car decks, it depends upon whether they’re wood or painted plastic or resin.

 

I stain wood decks with diluted Campbell tie stain, then weather with Pan Pastels. The tie stain is diluted with turpentine to adjust the staining intensity. I’ve posted photos of flat cars with wood decks, so check the archives on resincarbuilders io group.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

 

Some time ago thinned India Ink was a recommended final wash for weathering flat car decks.  Does anyone recall what was used to thin the ink?

 

Thanks:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Re: Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

Nelson Moyer
 

I used 70% isopropyl alcohol. The ratio of ink to alcohol depends upon how dark you want the weathering. Mix 1 part ink to 9 parts alcohol, and dilute from there accordingly.

 

For flat car decks, it depends upon whether they’re wood or painted plastic or resin.

 

I stain wood decks with diluted Campbell tie stain, then weather with Pan Pastels. The tie stain is diluted with turpentine to adjust the staining intensity. I’ve posted photos of flat cars with wood decks, so check the archives on resincarbuilders io group.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

 

Some time ago thinned India Ink was a recommended final wash for weathering flat car decks.  Does anyone recall what was used to thin the ink?

 

Thanks:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Re: Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

Steve SANDIFER
 

Alcohol. Buy a pine of alcohol, use an eyedropper to add some India ink, and you have it.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

 

Some time ago thinned India Ink was a recommended final wash for weathering flat car decks.  Does anyone recall what was used to thin the ink?

 

Thanks:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 


Final Wash For Flat Car Decks

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Some time ago thinned India Ink was a recommended final wash for weathering flat car decks.  Does anyone recall what was used to thin the ink?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: UP A-50-16 Correction Decals for Trix DD Boxcar

Bryian Sones
 

Ken,

The A-50-16 had a welded underframe.
If you are not going to model the underbody accurately and need something just to go under it nicely.....
I would use the Accurail Steel underframe. It matches up to the car fairly decent.
There is little to no sanding to get it to drop in.
   
If you want to take it a slight step further... Remove the rivets on the underframe and add some styrene strips to the underframe braces and at a glance it will look like a welded underframe.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 04:36:14 PM PDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Ignore the last paragraph.  I had not waited long enough and a second application of ELO did remove the new date quite neatly without damage to the underlying paint.  It will take some time to remove the lettering and not damage the excellent base paint coat. 

Photos may follow.  I have yet to make a decision about the floor and underframe The floor is a metal casting coupler in knockoff of a Kadee NEM knuckle coupler in an NEM pocket on a floating  device to allow going around toy train 15 inch radius curves. Using a regular IM boxcar floor and underframe has been suggested but I am not sure I want to do all that work. This is still a two foot or more viewing distance model and I don't think it would be switched into the tiny SP Port Costa yard unless it was bad ordered.  The coupler is attached to the floor not the truck as in a Talgo style arrangement so would not present any operational difficulties being pulled in a through train.
__

Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Help with Northwestern green/yellow reefer

Lloyd Keyser
 

The Scale Coat C&NW yellow and Green is a good match or Floquil Yellow and Green. The colors are very close to the color chips though not exact.The car shown has wood ends and ends and roof are BCR.This car was overhauled and repainted at the shops in Baraboo WI. Be sure and convert to an AB brake system. I have six of the Branchline cars. Three in the pre 52 Grey and three in the Yellow and Green.My grey cars were acceptable but my early run Y&G sides were poorly painted and the lettering was very poor. I repainted and applied Westerfield decals for the Y&G cars. Best LK

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 5:05 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Remember to upgrade to AB brakes too if doing the green and yellow cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 31, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:



Friend recently gave me two Branchline reefers one for the Northwestern with the gray sides.  The car unfortunately lettering is as built in 1927 and I’m modeling the early 1950’s.  I found an Odd Ball set for the Northwestern green and yellow scheme and have the sides stripped down to the bare plastic.  This reefer is totally out of my expertise and need some SME help.  

the decal sheet has the following car numbers 6201, 6311 and 6700 for NWX. Are these good for the wood reefers?

What’s recommended for the green and yellow colors and finally what color was the roof, ends and underframe?

lots of questions but I couldn’t find anything with a google search or a search on .io. 

thanks. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Scott
I’m using the PE ladders that Westerfield makes for the X23.  He also makes a set for the R7 reefer.  The X23 set are five rungs whereas the R7 set is six rungs. 

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 6:40 PM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Charlie which photo etch ladders are you going to use?  I have two of those kits.  One is a dry ice reefer and the other the standard reefer like yours.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Tru-Color formula for Pennsylvania FCC circa 1940 - any advice?

Scott
 

Charlie which photo etch ladders are you going to use?  I have two of those kits.  One is a dry ice reefer and the other the standard reefer like yours.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: UP A-50-16 Correction Decals for Trix DD Boxcar

Ken Adams
 

Ignore the last paragraph.  I had not waited long enough and a second application of ELO did remove the new date quite neatly without damage to the underlying paint.  It will take some time to remove the lettering and not damage the excellent base paint coat. 

Photos may follow.  I have yet to make a decision about the floor and underframe The floor is a metal casting coupler in knockoff of a Kadee NEM knuckle coupler in an NEM pocket on a floating  device to allow going around toy train 15 inch radius curves. Using a regular IM boxcar floor and underframe has been suggested but I am not sure I want to do all that work. This is still a two foot or more viewing distance model and I don't think it would be switched into the tiny SP Port Costa yard unless it was bad ordered.  The coupler is attached to the floor not the truck as in a Talgo style arrangement so would not present any operational difficulties being pulled in a through train.
__

Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

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