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X31 Evans Chain Storage Tubes

Guy Wilber
 


Bruce Smith wrote:

With respect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference.”

Bruce, 

Nearly all the original installations of Evans Auto~Loaders (Type A) were equipped with 8 storage tubes.  As auto cars were upgraded to newer models of racks the number of storage tubes was often increased, typically 12/16 to maximize the flexibility of the system, in order to accommodate the range in sizes of automobiles.  

Do you know if the Pennsylvania added more storage tubes as they upgraded cars or do the totals under the column heading “No. of Floor Tubes or Tie Downs” listed within “Bulletin 28” reflect 8 storage tubes plus either 4 or 6 “U” bolt tie downs?  The tie downs in combination with longer chains served the same function as additional storage tubes.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada



Re: COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

David Forbes
 

Jack,

Thanks for the information.  Milk cars are not something I have researched so thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  

The cars were apparently leased by Consolidated Products and then painted at the C&EI's Danville Shops.  

Attached is a photo of the 1954 ORER for COPX.  

Dave Forbes


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Yes that is the trainline.

With repsect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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The X 31s have six tubes located at the center of the cars.  Is that the trainline that snakes around
the tubes?  The line in the photo seems to be a wrapped pipe.

I ask because I have an. X 31 that I s finished save for the installation of the rubes.

Bill Pardie

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From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Date: 6/4/22 11:31 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
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Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

Jack Mullen
 

From what I can see in the photo, it appears to be a General American - Pfaudler milk tank car.
Jack Mullen


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The X 31s have six tubes located at the center of the cars.  Is that the trainline that snakes around
the tubes?  The line in the photo seems to be a wrapped pipe.

I ask because I have an. X 31 that I s finished save for the installation of the rubes.

Bill Pardie

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Date: 6/4/22 11:31 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Ken Adams
 

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

David Forbes
 

I am looking for more information on a set of insulated box cars with interior tanks with reporting marks COPX in series100-117, although there could be more.  

In our C&EI HS archives we have a stenciling diagram for this series, indicating that these cars were painted and lettered in the C&EI shops.  Consolidated Products, later Kraft, had a facility in Danville and is likely that the C&EI worked with the company to secure the freight car traffic.  

There is a photo on Pinterest that shows the left end of the car.  Here is the link: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/544091198707228066/

Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks,

David Forbes


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Clarence Zink
 

Don't forget Utah had a thriving sugar beet industry for many years.  One of the "neighborhoods" I lived in at one time in SLC was the "Sugar House" neighborhood, and one of the best July 24th fireworks ever seen was in Sugar House Park.  The place is named after an old sugar beet processing plant.

Try this link for an advanced search for "Utah" and "sugar beet".  Hopefully it will turn up the first page of many with info about sugar beets in Utah. 

https://utah-primoprod.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,Utah,AND&query=any,exact,Sugar%20Beet,AND&tab=default_tab&search_scope=mw&sortby=rank&vid=MWDL&lang=en_US&mode=advanced&offset=0&fromRedirectFilter=true

Up into at least the 1980's, there used to be a few abandoned sugar beet plants along I-15 between SLC and the Idaho border.  On my trip through there last year I think I saw only 1.  Times change.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Andy Carlson
 

Well, that explains my thoughts, as I thought it looked a lot like Oxnard. Simple explanation!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 10:18:53 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


My friend, Cliff Prather, has provided some evidence that the photo, identified by the L.A. Public Library as being in Huntington Beach (CA), actually is Oxnard (CA).
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA 
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Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Bob Chaparro
 

My friend, Cliff Prather, has provided some evidence that the photo, identified by the L.A. Public Library as being in Huntington Beach (CA), actually is Oxnard (CA).
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA 


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Tony Thompson
 

!Wow, Doug, those are some photos of beet piles! Photos I have of rail-served plants in California show the beets all disappearing into the receiving bins.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Lloyd Keyser
 

As a side note, the C&NW composite USRA gons were never rebuilt. Originally used in the Southern Iowa coal fields as they were required for rebuild were scrapped as the new 1937 steel quad hoppers started coming on line. After the Iowa coal played out the C&NW bought a Southern Illinois mine near Benld IL. where the quads were assigned. Also interesting is the Milw ballast cars. During the rush every empty car that could be found was used to haul beets. Even foreign gons were used for several weeks before being returned to the home roads. LK

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:44 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Tom yes indeed those are piles of beets. If you zoom in you will see the tracks between the piles. Also note the cranes used to move beets from the piles to the conveyor into the processing house.

Here are three photos showing beets arriving via rail at Mason City. Stitched together they give a panoramic view of the beet unloading tracks.

I have additional photos showing beet loaders and unloaders from other parts of the country. Primarily Colorado, California and Minnesota.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Douglas Harding
 

Tom yes indeed those are piles of beets. If you zoom in you will see the tracks between the piles. Also note the cranes used to move beets from the piles to the conveyor into the processing house.

Here are three photos showing beets arriving via rail at Mason City. Stitched together they give a panoramic view of the beet unloading tracks.

I have additional photos showing beet loaders and unloaders from other parts of the country. Primarily Colorado, California and Minnesota.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Ken Vandevoort
 

I grew up in a family grocery store in Iowa.  Holly sugar was the primary brand we sold.  In the early 60's, most weekly grocery shopping in our area was done on Friday and Saturday.  Almost everyone bought a 10 lb. bag every week.  (Farm families also usually bought a 25 lb. bag of Robin Hood flour.)  If I recall, there were six 10 lb. bags in a heavy paper bag.  The outer bags went into our box bin up front along with cardboard boxes from other merchandise.  It wasn't "paper or plastic" in those days.  It was "box or bag".  Some things went into empty sugar sacks.  Then Fidel Castro came along and there was a sugar shortage as Cuban cane sugar was no longer available.

I will admit that when I was learning to read, I thought it was Holy sugar.

Ken Vandevoort


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Thomas Evans
 

Doug,

Could those all be massive piles of sugar beets on the ground everywhere in the Mason City photo?
If so, that's an awful lot of sugar beets & not a single beet car (steam-era or otherwise) anywhere.
The gons in the upper part of the photo appear to be delivering coal, which is obviously what the plant is using for fuel.
Beet deliveries seem to be all by truck at the dump in the center of the photo.
It's a bit confusing, and clarification would be most welcome!

Tom E.


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Thomas Evans
 

Stinky is in the nose of the beholder, Scott.  I happen to really like the sweet/pungent smell of cooking sugar beets.
Do you know which 2 plants are still operating in Colorado and who is operating them?
I'm from Rocky Ford & have beet sugar in my blood.

Tom E.


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Douglas Harding
 

Sugar beets used to be a major crop in Iowa. They moved out as farmers switched to soybeans in the 30s and 40s. Soybeans require more water than beets, so beets moved to dryer climes further west, the Dakotas, Wyoming and Colorado. There were at least three sugar beet plants in Iowa, Waverly, Belmond and Mason City. The Belmond and Mason City plants were American Beet, which later became American Crystal Sugar. The Mason City plant did not shut down until the 90s. The Milwaukee Road was still hauling sugar beets into Mason City in the 80s. The Belmond plant was converted to soybean processing in the 50s. I think the Waverly plant shut down before WWII. It was used to make corn syrup during the war. There was also a sugar beet plant in Chaska MN which served the northern Iowa beet growers.

Attached are a few photos.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:43 PM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
There are a lot of sugar beet sugar factories here in Colorado.  Couple are still operating today.  They are stinky places for sure when running.

Be an interesting place to model.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Allan Smith
 


The attached photo may help.

Al Smith
On Friday, June 3, 2022, 04:36:41 PM PDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Does anyone have a Speedwitch p105_uframe2 they would be willing to sell or otherwise part with....

I am in the process of repainting and re-lettering a Trix UP A50-19 to a correct A-50-16. I have found that I need to rebuild the floor and underframe. The Trix underframe, while very nice,  was molded as the reverse image. If the photos of the Speedwitch p105_uframe2 are correct, then the lateral supports are also incorrect. The detail AB parts were very nicely molded but fit the piping fits the reverse image of the brake system. 

I have just discovered the drawings for the 1930's Evens Loader including the chain tubes on the Resin Freight Car Builders photos section. The tubes were 18 to 28 inches in length and angled if they needed to avoid brake gear and rigging.  I know from UP records the A-50-16 had 12 of these tubes protruding from the floor in the 1940's and early 50's.  The tubes were 5 inches OD.  Evergreen #222 1/16 or 1.6 mm rod could approximate the tubes which do not need to be hollow on a model.  

Does anyone have a good picture or diagram of the tube placement for the A-50-16?    
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Scott
 

There are a lot of sugar beet sugar factories here in Colorado.  Couple are still operating today.  They are stinky places for sure when running.

Be an interesting place to model.

Scott McDonald 


Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Ken Adams
 

Does anyone have a Speedwitch p105_uframe2 they would be willing to sell or otherwise part with....

I am in the process of repainting and re-lettering a Trix UP A50-19 to a correct A-50-16. I have found that I need to rebuild the floor and underframe. The Trix underframe, while very nice,  was molded as the reverse image. If the photos of the Speedwitch p105_uframe2 are correct, then the lateral supports are also incorrect. The detail AB parts were very nicely molded but fit the piping fits the reverse image of the brake system. 

I have just discovered the drawings for the 1930's Evens Loader including the chain tubes on the Resin Freight Car Builders photos section. The tubes were 18 to 28 inches in length and angled if they needed to avoid brake gear and rigging.  I know from UP records the A-50-16 had 12 of these tubes protruding from the floor in the 1940's and early 50's.  The tubes were 5 inches OD.  Evergreen #222 1/16 or 1.6 mm rod could approximate the tubes which do not need to be hollow on a model.  

Does anyone have a good picture or diagram of the tube placement for the A-50-16?    
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io

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