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Re: Baltimore & Ohio Box Cars May 1938

Bruce Hendrick
 

Beautiful images. Thanks for sharing.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Baltimore & Ohio Box Cars May 1938

Richard Wilkens
 

Eric, Your right, it is Richwood and it is written on the sleeves, guess I need stronger glasses :)

Richard


Re: X31 Evans Chain Storage Tubes

Guy Wilber
 

Bruce,

Thank you for your insight.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

On Jun 5, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Guy,

Based on the photographic evidence, it appears that the 4 center tube arrangement was not upgraded to 6 center tubes. I also have not seen any evidence of upgrades in the drawing record. 

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Bruce Smith wrote:

With respect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference.”

Bruce, 

Nearly all the original installations of Evans Auto~Loaders (Type A) were equipped with 8 storage tubes.  As auto cars were upgraded to newer models of racks the number of storage tubes was often increased, typically 12/16 to maximize the flexibility of the system, in order to accommodate the range in sizes of automobiles.  

Do you know if the Pennsylvania added more storage tubes as they upgraded cars or do the totals under the column heading “No. of Floor Tubes or Tie Downs” listed within “Bulletin 28” reflect 8 storage tubes plus either 4 or 6 “U” bolt tie downs?  The tie downs in combination with longer chains served the same function as additional storage tubes.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada



Re: Baltimore & Ohio Box Cars May 1938

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice shots, Richard! Thanks for sharing. 

I suspect the location was Richwood, WV, as there isn’t a Richmond in WV. This was deep in the heart of hardwood lumber country. The mill is long gone. 

The M-26c box car has KD brake hardware and in the original paint and lettering. The M-53 wagon top cars have Duryea cushion underframes and wear the latest B&O lettering. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jun 5, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:

Recently I purchased 8 negatives off of Ebay that are of several B&O box cars at Richmond, WV in May 1938. Hope some will find these of interest.

Richard Wilkens
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Baltimore & Ohio Box Cars May 1938

Richard Wilkens
 

Recently I purchased 8 negatives off of Ebay that are of several B&O box cars at Richmond, WV in May 1938. Hope some will find these of interest.

Richard Wilkens


Photo: Barrels In Boxcar At Lemp's Brewing Company (1912)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Barrels In Boxcar At Lemp's Brewing Company (1912)

Photo from University of Utah Marriott Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=528232

Photo can be enlarged.

Notice the tally marks chalked on the boxcar wall.

Possibly these are empty barrels.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: X31 Evans Chain Storage Tubes

Bruce Smith
 

Guy,

Based on the photographic evidence, it appears that the 4 center tube arrangement was not upgraded to 6 center tubes. I also have not seen any evidence of upgrades in the drawing record. 

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Bruce Smith wrote:

With respect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference.”

Bruce, 

Nearly all the original installations of Evans Auto~Loaders (Type A) were equipped with 8 storage tubes.  As auto cars were upgraded to newer models of racks the number of storage tubes was often increased, typically 12/16 to maximize the flexibility of the system, in order to accommodate the range in sizes of automobiles.  

Do you know if the Pennsylvania added more storage tubes as they upgraded cars or do the totals under the column heading “No. of Floor Tubes or Tie Downs” listed within “Bulletin 28” reflect 8 storage tubes plus either 4 or 6 “U” bolt tie downs?  The tie downs in combination with longer chains served the same function as additional storage tubes.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada



Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

 

Back in late 1960s worked in a super market as a “box boy”. We were putting groceries in paper bags then (way before plastic) but not boxes.

Andy Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


X31 Evans Chain Storage Tubes

Guy Wilber
 


Bruce Smith wrote:

With respect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference.”

Bruce, 

Nearly all the original installations of Evans Auto~Loaders (Type A) were equipped with 8 storage tubes.  As auto cars were upgraded to newer models of racks the number of storage tubes was often increased, typically 12/16 to maximize the flexibility of the system, in order to accommodate the range in sizes of automobiles.  

Do you know if the Pennsylvania added more storage tubes as they upgraded cars or do the totals under the column heading “No. of Floor Tubes or Tie Downs” listed within “Bulletin 28” reflect 8 storage tubes plus either 4 or 6 “U” bolt tie downs?  The tie downs in combination with longer chains served the same function as additional storage tubes.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada



Re: COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

David Forbes
 

Jack,

Thanks for the information.  Milk cars are not something I have researched so thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  

The cars were apparently leased by Consolidated Products and then painted at the C&EI's Danville Shops.  

Attached is a photo of the 1954 ORER for COPX.  

Dave Forbes


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Yes that is the trainline.

With repsect to the number of tubes, no, not exactly. The X31s (no subclass) and X31F had 4 tubes in the center of the car and 2 at each end. The X31C had 6 tubes in the center of the car, and 2 at each end. I modeled the difference 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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The X 31s have six tubes located at the center of the cars.  Is that the trainline that snakes around
the tubes?  The line in the photo seems to be a wrapped pipe.

I ask because I have an. X 31 that I s finished save for the installation of the rubes.

Bill Pardie

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
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Ken Adams
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Re: COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

Jack Mullen
 

From what I can see in the photo, it appears to be a General American - Pfaudler milk tank car.
Jack Mullen


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The X 31s have six tubes located at the center of the cars.  Is that the trainline that snakes around
the tubes?  The line in the photo seems to be a wrapped pipe.

I ask because I have an. X 31 that I s finished save for the installation of the rubes.

Bill Pardie

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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Date: 6/4/22 11:31 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Speedwitch p105_uframe2 Wanted and Evens Loader Chain Tubes

Ken Adams
 

Thanks Al,

In my research the last couple of days I came across a good picture of the cylinder installation in an PRR X31 and a diagram or the loader and cylinder.



https://www.rrmagazineindex.org/ can be very useful.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


COPX Tank Box Car connection with C&EI

David Forbes
 

I am looking for more information on a set of insulated box cars with interior tanks with reporting marks COPX in series100-117, although there could be more.  

In our C&EI HS archives we have a stenciling diagram for this series, indicating that these cars were painted and lettered in the C&EI shops.  Consolidated Products, later Kraft, had a facility in Danville and is likely that the C&EI worked with the company to secure the freight car traffic.  

There is a photo on Pinterest that shows the left end of the car.  Here is the link: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/544091198707228066/

Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks,

David Forbes


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Clarence Zink
 

Don't forget Utah had a thriving sugar beet industry for many years.  One of the "neighborhoods" I lived in at one time in SLC was the "Sugar House" neighborhood, and one of the best July 24th fireworks ever seen was in Sugar House Park.  The place is named after an old sugar beet processing plant.

Try this link for an advanced search for "Utah" and "sugar beet".  Hopefully it will turn up the first page of many with info about sugar beets in Utah. 

https://utah-primoprod.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,Utah,AND&query=any,exact,Sugar%20Beet,AND&tab=default_tab&search_scope=mw&sortby=rank&vid=MWDL&lang=en_US&mode=advanced&offset=0&fromRedirectFilter=true

Up into at least the 1980's, there used to be a few abandoned sugar beet plants along I-15 between SLC and the Idaho border.  On my trip through there last year I think I saw only 1.  Times change.

CRZ


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Andy Carlson
 

Well, that explains my thoughts, as I thought it looked a lot like Oxnard. Simple explanation!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 10:18:53 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


My friend, Cliff Prather, has provided some evidence that the photo, identified by the L.A. Public Library as being in Huntington Beach (CA), actually is Oxnard (CA).
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA 
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Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Bob Chaparro
 

My friend, Cliff Prather, has provided some evidence that the photo, identified by the L.A. Public Library as being in Huntington Beach (CA), actually is Oxnard (CA).
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA 


Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Tony Thompson
 

!Wow, Doug, those are some photos of beet piles! Photos I have of rail-served plants in California show the beets all disappearing into the receiving bins.

Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Holly Sugar Plant - Huntington Beach (Circa 1917)

Lloyd Keyser
 

As a side note, the C&NW composite USRA gons were never rebuilt. Originally used in the Southern Iowa coal fields as they were required for rebuild were scrapped as the new 1937 steel quad hoppers started coming on line. After the Iowa coal played out the C&NW bought a Southern Illinois mine near Benld IL. where the quads were assigned. Also interesting is the Milw ballast cars. During the rush every empty car that could be found was used to haul beets. Even foreign gons were used for several weeks before being returned to the home roads. LK

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:44 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Tom yes indeed those are piles of beets. If you zoom in you will see the tracks between the piles. Also note the cranes used to move beets from the piles to the conveyor into the processing house.

Here are three photos showing beets arriving via rail at Mason City. Stitched together they give a panoramic view of the beet unloading tracks.

I have additional photos showing beet loaders and unloaders from other parts of the country. Primarily Colorado, California and Minnesota.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad

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