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Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

Since the Accurail V grooves are a true 90* Vee, I'm not sure that dragging a scriber through the existing groove is the right way to go, it might deepen the existing groove. I'd be more inclined to use a chisel somewhat wider than the obstruction to be removed from the groove, set one corner in the existing groove at a 45* angle to the car side, and gently rock it into the groove on the opposite side of the obstruction. Do this from both sides of the groove and most of the offending plastic should pop out. then clean the remainder with a fine square cornered file, riffler, or stone.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


some photos


On 6/7/2022 7:01 PM, Tom Palmer wrote:

Hi Charlie,

                Several made it through WW2. After the war they started going really fast being replaced with steel cars.

                Latest ones were built in 1923. First group was built in 1913. Many were converted to cabooses in the 800 numbers. One of those is still in existence in La Grange TX. It still has the original trucks. After war survivors were used as MoW cars until the early 1960’s.

                If you want the complete group by group history just let me know. I can dig it out.

Best regards,

                     Tom Palmer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 8:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

 

Tony thanks, the yellow certainly allows for a canvas to add weathering.  

 

 Can someone tell me how long these cars lasted; the reweigh date is 1938 and I’d like to move it up to the late 1940’s or early 50’s. 

 

Charlie 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 8:32 PM Tony Thompson <tony_at_signaturepress.com_Worth51@...> wrote:

Very good-looking car, Charlie, with your usual excellent touch with the locations and degree of dirt. I too have always liked the Katy yellow.

Tony Thompson



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Tom Palmer
 

Hi Charlie,

                Several made it through WW2. After the war they started going really fast being replaced with steel cars.

                Latest ones were built in 1923. First group was built in 1913. Many were converted to cabooses in the 800 numbers. One of those is still in existence in La Grange TX. It still has the original trucks. After war survivors were used as MoW cars until the early 1960’s.

                If you want the complete group by group history just let me know. I can dig it out.

Best regards,

                     Tom Palmer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 8:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

 

Tony thanks, the yellow certainly allows for a canvas to add weathering.  

 

 Can someone tell me how long these cars lasted; the reweigh date is 1938 and I’d like to move it up to the late 1940’s or early 50’s. 

 

Charlie 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 8:32 PM Tony Thompson <tony_at_signaturepress.com_Worth51@...> wrote:

Very good-looking car, Charlie, with your usual excellent touch with the locations and degree of dirt. I too have always liked the Katy yellow.

Tony Thompson
tony@...








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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Ken Adams
 

Eric, et al.,

I bought a couple of sizes of chisels from UMM that make short work of cast on ladders and grab irons. I have scribers from UMM too but have not used them yet to re-grove siding. I also use Xacto and OLFA square blades when the area needs a flat blade. 
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

spsalso
 

Following is a listing of 36' box cars ("steel underframe") in the MKT section of the October 1950 ORER:

MKT 74105-75597 (30 cars)
MKTT 170000-170228 (15 cars)

above had a capy of 60,000

Those same series numbered 170 and 75 in the October 1947.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Photo: Cudahy Packing Company Plant & Union Stockyards – Salt Lake City

Josh
 

Salt Lake City did not have any narrow gauge at all by the time this photograph was taken.


Re: Photo: Ogden Stockyards & Nearby Railyards

Josh
 

Some items of note about this photo, the large factory structure just across the river from the stockyards is the Swift packing plant. Livestock bought in the auction yard was easily taken across the river on a private bridge to be slaughtered and processed. The big light-colored building in the yard above the Swift building and below the grain elevator was Pacific Fruit Express's icing platform, which while owned by PFE was used to ice all refrigerator cars leaving Ogden. Everything needed to take the animal from field to supermarket was located in close proximity.

 

Josh Bernhard


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


This photo shows a box car a friend made with gouges where he replaced the grab irons. I filled in the
gouges with clear acrylic (in a few layers for depth) and sanded with my *finger sander* as shown in this
photo. I then lightly overcoated with color, and then clear flat, which made the scratches invisible.

Tim

sanding tool -- * https://i0.wp.com/nationalscalecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IMG_4035.jpg *


On 6/7/2022 3:12 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Bill
I just carve off the cast on rungs, sand the area and rescribe with a microsaw.  I’m not always lucky as you can see a couple gouges by the hand grabs on the left side. 

Charlie 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

I’m not Charlie, but I’ve had to scribe board grooves on plastic models after removing details. I use several dental tools after the initial removal with and X-Acto chisel blade. You can read more about the process and tools in this blog post from a couple years ago.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2020/12/28/lackawanna-boxcars-part-2/

 

While the focus is on removing the door brace, I’ve used the same method in removing cast on grabs.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

 

“Just another” Duckworth masterpiece!  How do you do it EVERY times!?  I would love to know how you scribe into the sides the plastic that remains after you cut off the cast ladder rungs.  


Bill Jolitz 

who really loved running your layout TWICE!


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Bill
I just carve off the cast on rungs, sand the area and rescribe with a microsaw.  I’m not always lucky as you can see a couple gouges by the hand grabs on the left side. 

Charlie 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 12:26 PM Bill J. via groups.io <jolitzwr=yahoo.com_at_groups.io_Worth51@...> wrote:
“Just another” Duckworth masterpiece! How do you do it EVERY times!? I would love to know how you scribe into the sides the plastic that remains after you cut off the cast ladder rungs. Bill Jolitz wh
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“Just another” Duckworth masterpiece!  How do you do it EVERY times!?  I would love to know how you scribe into the sides the plastic that remains after you cut off the cast ladder rungs.  


Bill Jolitz 

who really loved running your layout TWICE!


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Santa Reefer Help

Tim O'Connor
 


I think that the trucks were correct for SFRD reefers - if I recall it was an early ASF truck, before the
Ride Control era. They were multi-piece trucks and had some issues... Did Intermountain ever retool them
as one piece trucks? (sideframes+bolster). Tahoe has an early ASF truck but I don't know if it's correct for
SFRD.

Tim O'Connor


On 6/7/2022 3:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Lester:

As I recall when these kits came out the Santa Fe gods thought that the kit trucks were perfect.  I always send a photo of the car that I am doing to Brian Leppert of Tahoe Models.  He will tell you what truck to use even if it is not his.  Use my name if you like.

It's amazing th we are now down to the proper brake step in detailing.  I recently learned that there is a Klass Morton step used on an MKT car.  Someone said that they had done some with 3D printing and offered to send some but never followed through..

Also ask Keuth Jordon and Dick Harley.

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...>
Date: 6/7/22 3:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Santa Reefer Help

Current build is a Santa Fe Reefer kit numbered 32153.  A kit I believe produced by InterMountain for the Santa Fe Historical Society.
I need help with the Reefer, in series 31653 to 33155,  with the running board type , I believe wood and the brake step, I believe metal type.
And, trucks. 
I Thank You for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Santa Reefer Help

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Lester:

As I recall when these kits came out the Santa Fe gods thought that the kit trucks were perfect.  I always send a photo of the car that I am doing to Brian Leppert of Tahoe Models.  He will tell you what truck to use even if it is not his.  Use my name if you like.

It's amazing th we are now down to the proper brake step in detailing.  I recently learned that there is a Klass Morton step used on an MKT car.  Someone said that they had done some with 3D printing and offered to send some but never followed through..

Also ask Keuth Jordon and Dick Harley.

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...>
Date: 6/7/22 3:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Santa Reefer Help

Current build is a Santa Fe Reefer kit numbered 32153.  A kit I believe produced by InterMountain for the Santa Fe Historical Society.
I need help with the Reefer, in series 31653 to 33155,  with the running board type , I believe wood and the brake step, I believe metal type.
And, trucks. 
I Thank You for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer


Re: Peacock Estate Auction

golden1014
 

So that's where are the Sunshine kits went!!!  We miss ya, Frank.  John Golden


Peacock Estate Auction

Keith Jordan
 

To All,

 

The late Frank Peacock’s Estate has been consigned for auction with Stout Auctions of Indiana. The auction will take place Thursday, June 16th. You can view the lots here:

 

http://www.stoutauctions.com/?p=2021

 

In Frank’s estate, there are over 600 pieces of brass, over 1000 resin kits, and over 1700 plastic kits! Frank’s interests were not only in the railroads of the Southwest, but the Northwest and Southeast, too; steam, Diesel and of course, freight cars, and in three scales: O/P48, HO and S! The auction includes many parts and tools.

 

Stout’s website includes instructions for viewing and bidding. Please take a look. If you have other questions, you may contact me ckjordan at kc dot rr dot com. I will only respond to questions off list.

 

Please excuse the cross-posting of this notice to several lists.

 

Keith Jordan


Re: Photo: Loading Corn In Box Cars (1915)

Eric Hansmann
 

That Intercolonial box car is interesting. But it’s 1915. 

When was the rule/guideline established to ship Canadian cars back empty? We’ve discussed it many times but I don’t recall seeing a starting date. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jun 7, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Loading Corn In Box Cars (1915)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1473180/m1/1/?q=Loading

Photo can be enlarged. Use the link.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29274 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29274 (Undated)

Photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2779

Click on photo to enlarge.

Class SK. View of roof.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Bill J.
 

“Just another” Duckworth masterpiece!  How do you do it EVERY times!?  I would love to know how you scribe into the sides the plastic that remains after you cut off the cast ladder rungs.  


Bill Jolitz 

who really loved running your layout TWICE!


Photo: Loading Corn In Box Cars (1915)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Corn In Box Cars (1915)

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1473180/m1/1/?q=Loading

Photo can be enlarged. Use the link.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Santa Reefer Help

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Current build is a Santa Fe Reefer kit numbered 32153.  A kit I believe produced by InterMountain for the Santa Fe Historical Society.
I need help with the Reefer, in series 31653 to 33155,  with the running board type , I believe wood and the brake step, I believe metal type.
And, trucks. 
I Thank You for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer

Lester,
The following info comes from a santa fe diagram for class Rr, 1,500 cars in series 31656-33155, built new as Rr-W in 1920-1921. The diagram refers to another Rr-23 diagram that denotes the cars were modernized from 1954-1959 with Camel sliding flush doors, Improved Dreadnaught ends, Preco fans, a “metal” running board, and a few other details. 

For the Rr-23 cars rebuilt with swing doors, all cars received an Ajax hand brake & 33” 700 lb. single plate chilled wheels (cast iron). 

The diagram doesn’t specify the type of running boards or brake steps. A photo of SFRD 32143, last reweighed 9-50, shows a wood running board. It’s the right side of the car with the system map but doesn’t provide a view of the brake step. Trucks on 32143 are AAR double truss spring plankless. Hope this provides what is needed for your modeling. The photo from Bob’s Photo was taken by Col. Chet McCoid on 11/2/54 at San Diego.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Photo: Cudahy Packing Company Plant & Union Stockyards – Salt Lake City

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,


I will point out the presence of a tank car, at the bottom of the image...


Claus Schlund




On 07-Jun-22 00:42, Douglas Harding wrote:

Bob it looks to me like older wooden cars in front of some newer all steel (ie taller) cars.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
The tracks for each string of cars appear to be in the same gauge.

Also, by the time that the photograph was taken (1944-46), the narrow-gauge Rio Grande Western long had been merged wit the Denver & Rio Grande (to create the Denver & Rio Grande Western) and had been standard-gauged.

Ken Montero
On 06/06/2022 1:24 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


Photo: Cudahy Packing Company Plant & Union Stockyards – Salt Lake City

Photo from Photo from University of Utah Marriott Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=994206

Circa mid-1940s.

Notice the difference in the heights of the two string of livestock cars at the top of the photo.

Maybe the shorter cars are narrow gauge?

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

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